The Syndicate

fine i'll iso epi

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:05 am

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:16 am

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:14 am I... really think massclaiming is the right thing to do. If JJJ disagrees, then I cannot really push the issue further, but I believe it would increase our odds of winning, however slight.

Why?

It gives us a clearer mechanical picture of what happened on nights 1 and 2, it has a chance for us to structure a plan of action to lock a winning night phase, and it gives mafia a small chance to out themselves.

I think it's fairly likely the mafia have fakeclaims, fwiw. As someone who won a game as scum with fakeclaims where massclaiming ended up helping my team (Fire Emblem), I'd be careful with this.

That’s why everyone should tell me what character they are

The mafia should have fakeclaims, yes, but even so. That is six claims from town for us to work with. And just because scum have safe roles to claim, it does not mean they have safe actions to claim.

I suppose there is also some chance that Sloonei actually shot Ted and is just claiming credit for the TH kill which was actually by Mac. But Sloonei's suspicion of TH is well documented from earlier, and he didn't know he was going to have a vig shot until sometime during d2, and he wouldn't have known Mac would kill TH if that's what happened. So all pretty far-fetched.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:10 am I suppose there is also some chance that Sloonei actually shot Ted and is just claiming credit for the TH kill which was actually by Mac. But Sloonei's suspicion of TH is well documented from earlier, and he didn't know he was going to have a vig shot until sometime during d2, and he wouldn't have known Mac would kill TH if that's what happened. So all pretty far-fetched.

Hold on. I actually believe this one. I didn't even consider that, thanks a lot. I believe Sloonei actually shot Ted and is a wolf.

Thanks a lot nutella

We gave the power to Sloonei because he was the top civilian read.

I don't think he fits with Turnip Head regardless of the vigilante shot, he doesn't look like a mafioso (and we all just saw how he looks when he is one in the GOC), and almost without fail when someone cases Sloonei on the basis of the questions he asks it's because they don't get him or they want to smear him.

To be fair: I think there are a ton of civilian situations across the Mafia landscape wherein a mass claim would win a game -- but it is refused for either fear of the boogeyman or because it feels cheap to do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:14 am We gave the power to Sloonei because he was the top civilian read.

>:(

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:01 am

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am I mean, it's sort of due to the fact that you backed up the silly flavor thing. That's just silly.

She has an eagle. It's already silly.

The sillyest of all, utter poppycock if you’ll pardon me, however, is this ludicrous suggestion, deprived of all empirical evidence, whereby a lone eagle could triumph over an entire seaward vessel! I will not have it.

This is incredible. I'm sending it to Sockys2020.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:17 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:14 am We gave the power to Sloonei because he was the top civilian read.

>:(

He's still my top civilian read.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:59 am True true.


Wait.

I just realized something obvious.

FG also saw Ted and Drago target Mac N1, yes?

They don't have pirate ships.

So that further corroborates that Mac didn't use it N1.

That whole argument was stupid.

Well, the idea is that Funnygurl could be lying. I personally do not believe it, but some people do.
We are also ignoring the possibility that Mac can still be targeted, and shown as targeted, but actions simply fail. Though in that instance Funnygurl's watch would still have to be immune to the fail effect.

Yeah, I thought of that as well. Eh whatever. I'm over this

the only interesting thing i found was this
it was a soft defense of speedchuck when his name started getting thrown around. that could link them?

epi hasn't interacted much in the thread, and even when he has argued with someone, one could say they're just distancing. which is good for him, i guess. without poe it'd be hard to find his teammates

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:03 am y'all are thinking too much

this is simpler than you're making it out to be. like i get why you have to do this, but still. idk what to do other than make faces at my laptop

Yeah I think this is probably just town.

If there were no claims, I’d vote for Epi over funnygurl 9 times out of 10 here.

Sloonei is good.

chorus of groans

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:11 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:10 am I suppose there is also some chance that Sloonei actually shot Ted and is just claiming credit for the TH kill which was actually by Mac. But Sloonei's suspicion of TH is well documented from earlier, and he didn't know he was going to have a vig shot until sometime during d2, and he wouldn't have known Mac would kill TH if that's what happened. So all pretty far-fetched.

Hold on. I actually believe this one. I didn't even consider that, thanks a lot. I believe Sloonei actually shot Ted and is a wolf.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:13 am Thanks a lot nutella

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:21 am

Sloonei is good.

chorus of groans

Sigh... let me have this one. But, you are probably right.

If you decide a massclaim should happen, you should orchestrate the order in which claims are made.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:01 am

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am I mean, it's sort of due to the fact that you backed up the silly flavor thing. That's just silly.

She has an eagle. It's already silly.

The sillyest of all, utter poppycock if you’ll pardon me, however, is this ludicrous suggestion, deprived of all empirical evidence, whereby a lone eagle could triumph over an entire seaward vessel! I will not have it.

This is incredible. I'm sending it to Sockys2020.

I also sent [mention]MacDougall[/mention]'s mafia-themed version of the navy seal copypasta, btw. That was good shit.

how did epi post 243 times

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:20 am If there were no claims, I’d vote for Epi over funnygurl 9 times out of 10 here.

Yeah.

Epi just generally looks sketchy and resigned (and like I said, in a way that looks like he's hiding something). FG mostly looks genuine and interested in solving.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:21 am

Sloonei is good.

chorus of groans

I have 100 posts already?

I'm not sure these lowly folks deserve gods as majestic as we are, pal.

Epignosis, why did you claim in the first place?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:26 am I have 100 posts already?

I'm not sure these lowly folks deserve gods as majestic as we are, pal.

Imagine how annoying we can be in a 72 hour period.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:23 am how did epi post 243 times

most of them were about how he was drunk or clueless or both.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:26 am I have 100 posts already?

I'm not sure these lowly folks deserve gods as majestic as we are, pal.

Imagine how annoying we can be in a 72 hour period.

Catch me if you can.

Can someone give me their best synopsis of the general reception Epignosis has had in this game before Day 3?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:21 am

Sloonei is good.

chorus of groans

I have 100 posts already? :eek:

I'm not sure these lowly folks deserve gods as majestic as we are, pal. :biggrin:

I have been concealing, don't feeling.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:30 am Can someone give me their best synopsis of the general reception Epignosis has had in this game before Day 3?

I’ve been generally suspicious of him for most of the game, but he “wasn’t a Day 2 lynch” yesterday because his name is Epignosis. Other people have voiced suspicion as well, it’s not just me. But he’s skated by.

This has been a pleasure. This game got started, and I realized that I would get to lord over the peons from on-high without having to do anything. So I paid my focus to the baseball heist, and whaddya know as soon as that one comes to an end it's time to descend upon this realm in my avatar form and bellow the wisdom of Celestia to all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:33 am This has been a pleasure. This game got started, and I realized that I would get to lord over the peons from on-high without having to do anything. So I paid my focus to the baseball heist, and whaddya know as soon as that one comes to an end it's time to descend upon this realm in my avatar form and bellow the wisdom of Celestia to all.

Sounds like something an umpire would say.

I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

'ight i'm sleeping

thanks for the entertainment y'all

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:34 am Sounds like something an umpire would say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

I have paid no attention to that conversation. It looked dumb. What's up with Mac's pirate ship?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

I have paid no attention to that conversation. It looked dumb. What's up with Mac's pirate ship?

Invisible to eagles?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

I have paid no attention to that conversation. It looked dumb. What's up with Mac's pirate ship?

When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:45 am When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.

Give me a minute to translate these words from technobabble into Jay Mafia Speak. I'll go look at the role.

Jay when investigating the behaviors of players:

Jay when investigating the votes of players:

Jay when investigating role mechanics:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:45 am When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.

Mac role:

Edward Kenway

Pirate Ship: You have a pirate ship! That’s awesome, dude. Using your pirate ship, you can make yourself untargetable to anyone that doesn’t also possess a ship. You can only use this ability every other night though, cause you have to restock your food and supplies. While on your ship, you can target someone to try and kill.

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

Is there a reason why the yellow stuff would not fit into the Night 2 activities? The role implies the existence of at least one other "ship", and it seems reasonable to presume the mafia have a ship.

If he used it on Night 1, shouldn't we be seeing another corpse out there that he shot? A hypothetical role block from Epignosis would have been rendered useless by the pirate ship.

What a sentence I just wrote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:45 am When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.

Mac role:

Edward Kenway

Pirate Ship: You have a pirate ship! That’s awesome, dude. Using your pirate ship, you can make yourself untargetable to anyone that doesn’t also possess a ship. You can only use this ability every other night though, cause you have to restock your food and supplies. While on your ship, you can target someone to try and kill.

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

Is there a reason why the yellow stuff would not fit into the Night 2 activities? The role implies the existence of at least one other "ship", and it seems reasonable to presume the mafia have a ship.

If he used it on Night 1, shouldn't we be seeing another corpse out there that he shot? A hypothetical role block from Epignosis would have been rendered useless by the pirate ship.

What a sentence I just wrote.

The yellow stuff in my post is in accord with the yellow stuff in mac’s role. If he was sailing the seven seas last night, so too was somebody on the mafia team.

If he used it on Night 1 then everything else is null: funnygurl’s claim is a lie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:58 am The yellow stuff in my post is in accord with the yellow stuff in mac’s role. If he was sailing the seven seas last night, so too was somebody on the mafia team.

If he used it on Night 1 then everything else is null: funnygurl’s claim is a lie.

I suppose what I'm not following is why it's more likely he used it on Night 1 than Night 2. There's a corpse on Night 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:27 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 am Turnip Head having 0 votes in this vote spread is curious. If he were town one would think scum would find his button a satisfying resting place.

That would make TH / speed the exact team. See that happening?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:19 am speed placed his vote on TH for the entirety of day 1 if i remember correctly, th didn't mention it at all from what i can remember

This is an incomprehensible train of thought.

I suspect TH based on something totally different. You dismiss it at hand because Speedchuck stuck his vote there all day one, which would mean for TH to be scum it has to be exactly Speedchuck as his partner, which can't be true because ...

Sound like you just don't want TH lynched to me. Wonder why that might be.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 am Turnip Head having 0 votes in this vote spread is curious. If he were town one would think scum would find his button a satisfying resting place.

:ponder:

ISO him and specifically focus on the way he's treated his "suspects". There's really nothing behind them. He arrived at "Ted=scum" and basically just stuck to it. When asked why his vote stayed there he retorted "why didn't you join me"? It's very meh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:24 am Doing a quick glance at TH's game and I'm seeing a lot of the surface level pen pushing scum like to do. Not much real gamesolving, a lot of accusations and statements with little insight into the underlying thought behind them. I particularly don't understand/buy that his level of Tedxtr suspicion vibes with the fact that Ted has been his primary focus (notwithstanding his vote isn't there atm).

Should TH be scum I'd suggest one scum teammate in that little cute threesome, and it's not Funnygirl because Funnygirl has actually been the target of real sticky vitriol from him. He's had a suspicion of Tedxtr for a while and done very little to promote it, but he won't let go of it. Very scum distancing esque.

Okay, so I think I can give up on my Sloonei scum read. But no promises that I do not bring it up again later.

This reminds me that I’m mad tedxtr is dead. I wanted to ask if there’s significance to the Bengals B on Baby Yoda’s beanie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:58 am The yellow stuff in my post is in accord with the yellow stuff in mac’s role. If he was sailing the seven seas last night, so too was somebody on the mafia team.

If he used it on Night 1 then everything else is null: funnygurl’s claim is a lie.

I suppose what I'm not following is why it's more likely he used it on Night 1 than Night 2. There's a corpse on Night 2.

That’s what I’m hoping to piece together. I don’t know which is more likely. I asked the question to everyone who was here earlier, and funnygurl herself answered Night 1, which prompted me to vote for her and turn this into a Thing.

If we suppose he used it on Night 2 then:
He would have presumably attempted to kill somebody. I highly doubt he goes for ted. He may very well have targeted Turnip Head along with me, in which case, oh well. The possibility for a redirection also exists here. But the biggest variable of all is that the player carrying out the kill for the mafia team must also have been on a pirate ship.

There is no clear and obvious explanation as to why there would be no extra body if Mac was able to kill on Night 1. Possibilities are that he himself was prevented somehow (the player he was targeting would probably have to be protected/immune themselves, since he is unlikely to be roleblocked), or that Mac used the ability for protection but holstered the shot. I’m not sure I believe the latter would happen.

We can’t know either way. This is all just speculation and trying to figure out what’s most likely. If he used it on Night 1, funnygurl is lying. If he used it on Night 2, funnygurl’s claim can be believed and Epi is bad.

Macdougall believed in the rule of three enough to think that one of me/fg/ted were mafia. That is compelling in and of itself, but I believe turnip head being mafia fulfills the rule of three enough on its own.

Seems those Mac posts Life cereal just highlighted are compatible with him shooting ted in the ass