The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.

Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.

I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.

"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.

What did I falsely interpret?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:16 pm You are really deep into the confirmation bias, Hally. What an ugly thing to wake up to. Suddenly every single interaction I've had with Epi is suspicious, whether I'm accusing him of being bad, or giving him a pass.

Take a look at Assassin's Creed if you want to see how I interact with Epi when we're bad together. I did not bus him, I voted him once when he was almost hammered, in a regrettably awkward way that frankly should have outed me. I don't bus Epignosis. He fucking hates it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:43 am I've read your analysis Hally and it is quite good. I still will look at LC myself, here and hopefully in another game. I will be interested to hear LC's replies to your points.

Assassin's Creed is the one where Epi and I are bad together. Also the one where I self-voted to win the game. Just one of a couple of brilliant and masterful Long Con-crafted wolf wins from the year 2020.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm I'm not ready to get into an argument, and am going to dip from the thread again soon.

But this

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:16 pm You are really deep into the confirmation bias, Hally. What an ugly thing to wake up to. Suddenly every single interaction I've had with Epi is suspicious, whether I'm accusing him of being bad, or giving him a pass.

Take a look at Assassin's Creed if you want to see how I interact with Epi when we're bad together. I did not bus him, I voted him once when he was almost hammered, in a regrettably awkward way that frankly should have outed me. I don't bus Epignosis. He fucking hates it.

just feels like a post I write (or want to write) when I'm scum and am caught. Not the sentiment - I definitely get frustrated at percieved confbias when town too - but how it's phrased, how he refers to a past game, etc.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.

Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.

I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.

"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.

What did I falsely interpret?

You said I called a post that called me town a confirmation bias, when I was not specifically addressing that post.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:57 am because although radishes is a capable wolf, he’s not a confident one really.

What evidence do you have I'm capable? You've seen me try to wolf before.


I actually had a decent wolf game recently on MU. We lost, but I got very little attention and a lot of towncred for a good three or four rounds before things fell apart due to mechanics. I'm pretty proud of it tbh considering how bad my scum games have been in 2020.

i mean, i think you’re clearly not a bad wolf. you’re just different from how you are as town

Have you looked at my successful wolf games this year?

well i just looked at assassin’s creed. i don’t know what i think. i don’t know anything anymore

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:04 pm I remember Assassin's Creed (not very well but sort of). I think I ended up having 3 of 4 scum wagon me to get me chopped in that one.

One of the underlying concerns I have with LC this game is how different he sounds to the LC I know from my own experience. But I'm trying to prevent myself lending serious weight to that because most times I've played with LC he's clearly slanking a bit due to irl and so on, and I don't want to scumread him just for being more engaged than I remember, because that's stupid. But I do feel there's something different about how he's playing. He's more...switched on, more entangled in the minutiae of the game, more willing to get into point-for-point discussions. The v!LC I remember isn't afraid to slank a bit, doesn't really justify his reads very much, shows no care about his own image, etc. I don't see that here.

This is a stupid basis for a scumread and not one I'm willing to stake the game on, but that's where I've been at with LC all game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:43 pm I'm not kidding you LC, you're hardcore tunneling on me, and accusing Hally of tunneling/confirmation biasing.

Maybe? Because I feel like quoting me and just posting " " is what a guy does when he wants to make someone seem suspicious, but has no words to say to make it happen.

I hoped you would notice your behavior without me having to say anything.

"My behavior"? You mean you falsely interpreting a post I made so as to put suspicion on me? I did notice that.

What did I falsely interpret?

You said I called a post that called me town a confirmation bias, when I was not specifically addressing that post.

Fuck the semantics.


Hally was going through your iso and pulling posts. Many of them they found sus, a few of them they found townie. You quoted one such post from them where they thought you looked townie, and told them they were confirmation biasing.

The definition of confirmation bias: the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.

How is Hally's behavior here confirmation bias? How is your behavior not confirmation bias.


My argument is not that you're calling that post confirmation bias, but rather calling Hally's whole list of quotes they pulled from you confirmation bias, which is false. I used that post as an example that it's not confirmation bias.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:06 pm Also Hally, my secret tinfoil I mentioned earlier was tutuu, because she really dropped in energy after D1 / after the suspicion on her went away. She felt really content to maintain the status quo, e.g. she'd drop in with a post like 'let's just chop Radishes' and didn't actually try to engage with any ongoing discussions or anything.

But I agree that she feels a bit better again today, and I can't help but feel Made's enormous attention paid to her in his iso is more likely townclearing than not.

I dunno. I'm not as confident on tutuu, but maybe it's just tinfoil.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:07 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:51 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:57 am because although radishes is a capable wolf, he’s not a confident one really.

What evidence do you have I'm capable? You've seen me try to wolf before.


I actually had a decent wolf game recently on MU. We lost, but I got very little attention and a lot of towncred for a good three or four rounds before things fell apart due to mechanics. I'm pretty proud of it tbh considering how bad my scum games have been in 2020.

i mean, i think you’re clearly not a bad wolf. you’re just different from how you are as town

Have you looked at my successful wolf games this year?

well i just looked at assassin’s creed. i don’t know what i think. i don’t know anything anymore

You should check that one out, and also Ziggy Stardust. I did some amazing things for the wolf win. Then you should go vote again for the Best Mafioso Socky.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:04 pm I remember Assassin's Creed (not very well but sort of). I think I ended up having 3 of 4 scum wagon me to get me chopped in that one.

One of the underlying concerns I have with LC this game is how different he sounds to the LC I know from my own experience. But I'm trying to prevent myself lending serious weight to that because most times I've played with LC he's clearly slanking a bit due to irl and so on, and I don't want to scumread him just for being more engaged than I remember, because that's stupid. But I do feel there's something different about how he's playing. He's more...switched on, more entangled in the minutiae of the game, more willing to get into point-for-point discussions. The v!LC I remember isn't afraid to slank a bit, doesn't really justify his reads very much, shows no care about his own image, etc. I don't see that here.

This is a stupid basis for a scumread and not one I'm willing to stake the game on, but that's where I've been at with LC all game.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:10 pm but i think tutuu is probably just town. like for real. if she’s not then lolme but her made stuff and how he treated her doesn’t look teamed, i agree

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:12 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:10 pm but i think tutuu is probably just town. like for real. if she’s not then lolme but her made stuff and how he treated her doesn’t look teamed, i agree

Is there any other reason? Epi voting Made was long held as the reason he's not scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.


I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.


I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm Also I really hope it's Long Con because then I can at least hang my hat on something in this god awful game of mine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.


I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm well we gotta admit that every single living player at this point has at least once expressed frustration except jules but she doesnt count for this anyway

so whoever is the mafia, we know that they are faking it / playing it up. at least thats a fact we know

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

*bites tutuu*

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm well we gotta admit that every single living player at this point has at least once expressed frustration except jules but she doesnt count for this anyway

so whoever is the mafia, we know that they are faking it / playing it up. at least thats a fact we know

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm well we gotta admit that every single living player at this point has at least once expressed frustration except jules but she doesnt count for this anyway

so whoever is the mafia, we know that they are faking it / playing it up. at least thats a fact we know

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.


I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.

Remember when I corrected you that I scumread Epignosis (you thought otherwise), and you decided that I must therefore be his teammate?

Ok, maybe it didn't exactly go like that. But I just don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:21 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

angler fish: what if i bit you and our organs fused together? haha just kidding.... unless?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:15 pm checked my notfs and skimmed thru

i will put more effort in once epi and jules are dead

i watched a video on deep sea anglerfish recently. the amount of food is extremely scarce in the deep wates. so they make no movements, as if they are dead, to conserve every single calorie they can

in addition when mating, in some species the male bites onto the female and they fuse each other. temporarily, and in some species permanently, their organs and nervous system and blood system fuses, and the male constantly provides the female with reproductive cell in exchange for nutrients. a female can have up to two or more males attached at the same tim

in addition, their teeth are transparent so as to not alert their prety

*bites tutuu*

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:09 pm
She did start finding me again when she got to later posts, I was reacting to the earlier ones I guess. Just use your words next time to start.

My main concern is not that you're accusing Hally of doing the wrong thing, but that you're focusing a lot of attention on getting me chopped when I know perfectly well that I shouldn't be, and that you've found no reason for me to be town when there is plenty of reason for me to be town.


I'm not upset, but I am riled up.

I'm riled up too. Last night Hally and tutuu were fighting over who gets to put more floral garlands around my neck, and this morning I wake up to twenty posts from Hally in a row calling every post I have made this game scummy. I'm just starting to respond to it when Smarmot comes in with single-emoji-post sass.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm Also I really hope it's Long Con because then I can at least hang my hat on something in this god awful game of mine.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:23 pm Nope, one more bit of confbias.

LC felt grumpy not long ago, and suddenly his attitude feels light and jokey.

Feels like a sudden and deliberate shift.



....Okay now I'll stop tunneling. For now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:22 pm inb4 marmot and juliets have not expressed frustration this game: confirmed wolves

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:18 pm Also I really hope it's Long Con because then I can at least hang my hat on something in this god awful game of mine.