The Syndicate

Or Nanook is just not Mafia, and Mac is peddling whatever LHF will get him to his next win.

@Marmot What are your updated thoughts on the situation? Do we stand firm?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:24 pm Or Nanook is just not Mafia, and Mac is peddling whatever LHF will get him to his next win.

Why are you resistant to the idea that Nanook is mafia?

Really hating NAA’s play atm. As in suspecting it somewhat.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:56 pm Maybe Gavial is right about Marmot lol.

lel

Mac pretending like he just had this thought now, town!Mac would have had this thought at the time of the claim before Gavial commented, and dismissed it outright.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Nanook yoloing onto his teammate's counterwagon d1 is entirely on brand.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Wrong tbh

I'll take y'all word for it since like i said think It's been awhile since we played.

It's half correct, I would do that as mafia sometimes, but I wouldn't do that then turn right around and have sabs carry the kill lol

So what you're saying is that Sabie didn't carry the kill at all and in fact Marmot is mafia who made up the red check entirely

Wot

I don't see how you get that from what I said

Well you are hiding behind a logical argument that only you think is valid.

I mean

You have a decent idea how I play scum yeah? Why do I save a partner just to have them carry the kill, particularly in a game where she'd be a logical block target

I don't play mafia the way gav does lol

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:18 pm I can't really see another valid reason for that.
Not to mention the 2nd Tracker hasn't claimed yet.
So it's very likely the 2nd Tracker is just always Mafia in this case.

Why would a tracker claim without a red

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:26 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:24 pm Or Nanook is just not Mafia, and Mac is peddling whatever LHF will get him to his next win.

Why are you resistant to the idea that Nanook is mafia?

I'm disproportionately more likely to town read Nanook in a hostile environment - so take my read with a grain of salt.

When Nanook said he wouldn't save Sabie, only to fuck her over on N1, I believe that. Also, Mafia team always having their scummiest player hold the kill is not Nanook's playbook. Like, Nanook was blocked last night right, so that assumes he had Sabie carry KP N1 and him N2, I just don't think it's how he plays.

I think Mac's line of thought this entire game is

"Holy fuck, the CFD was all town"

"Killing the CFD players outs me as wolf"

"Hey guys, the CFD might have all been town"

"Actually fuck it, let's kill the CFD"

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:32 pm I think Mac's line of thought this entire game is

"Holy fuck, the CFD was all town"

"Killing the CFD players outs me as wolf"

"Hey guys, the CFD might have all been town"

"Actually fuck it, let's kill the CFD"

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Thoughts?

Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:04 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:48 pm fwiw I was beginning to suspect Guilo last phase (as I couldn't see anything convincingly towny about them) but considering Sabie flipped Evil Engi and Guilo maintained and/or even furthered his suspicion of me on D2 despite the fact I claimed engi earlier and Sabie got checked

spews Guilo as town and cannot be possibly a wolf bussing unless he fully intended to indict himself as being a poor solver so far wrt my slot

This is scum. Townreads me while he discredits me as a poor solver, I rather be scumread to be honest that accept that suck ass townread to be frank.

I correctly scum read Sabie since day 1, yah I'm a poor solver alright.

1) I said wrt ("with respect to" or "with consideration to") my slot: Yes you were (or still are; I can't tell if you're serious about "This is scum" here since you haven't voted me) incorrectly solving my slot as scum when that is very much not the case.

2) I do not easily give town-reads over pushes on (or catching) scum. Anyone can do that and in fact I myself have yet to have a scum game where I didn't push or put serious pressure on at least one of my scummates afaik. I am in general very skeptical of giving credit for wolf flips (especially to experienced players) unless there is a nuance that I think makes it unlikely to have been a push by a wolf.

3) I found a nuance that I think makes your push actually look town-read worthy. Its because you've been carting the idea that I'm scum all around on day 2 while Sabie was caught and I claimed engi. This is very unlikely to be done by a wolf when bussing Sabie in this scenario because they are knowingly and willfully dooming one of their scum-reads to be discredited by the scum engi flip.

4) If you're serious about scum-reading me rn for that observation then you're discrediting your solving ability by yourself at this very moment; you only have yourself to blame at this point. its proven I'm town after sabie's evil engi flip and any consideration that I'm not should be viewed as being ridiculous and extremely tinfoil.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

I would care about this push if it was anyone other than NAA who nobody ever listens to anyway.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:44 pm I would care about this push if it was anyone other than NAA who nobody ever listens to anyway.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:29 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:18 pm I can't really see another valid reason for that.
Not to mention the 2nd Tracker hasn't claimed yet.
So it's very likely the 2nd Tracker is just always Mafia in this case.

Why would a tracker claim without a red

this is ostensibly a tracker claim but also yeah why wouldn't a tracker claim without a red

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:14 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:12 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:09 am While I’m still almost positive it’s Falcon I’m pretty sure both TSP/Marmot are wolves.

Why Marmot? They watched Sabie killing Dyslexicon, unless Marmot is counterclaimed, Marmot is the watcher and mech cleared.

Correction. They watched dyslexicon being killed by Sabie.

Yep.
A very easy play I can see Sabie making with their scum buddies and if you look at both Marmot’s and Sabine’s position day 1 their best play going into the next day would be to have 1 Buss the other for town credit.

One thing I don't understand though in this theory is why Marmot does the "catch". If Marmot is on a wolf team then anyone else on the team could easily pretend to be someone else's role on the wolf team and just have someone else claim watcher and bus Sabie.

Marmot doesn't seem to be doing much, and if it were up to me I probably would've had someone else do the bus so they could go even deeper. With marmot in my view his catch was only just enough for me to read him as probably town but not lock-town. I.e. just enough to sit out of the danger zone for a bit.

You know Mac, I find it much harder to get any kind of vibe from you over text compared to video.

oh jfc

did the game really jump 1k pages in the last 24 hours

errr posts not pages

wolf team plans to bus sabie, fails to bus sabie, proceeds to bus sabie even harder is a thing I can see

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:48 pm oh jfc

did the game really jump 1k pages in the last 24 hours

Most of them aren't worth reading, and a good chunk of them aren't game-related.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:47 pm You know Mac, I find it much harder to get any kind of vibe from you over text compared to video.

Well yeah I am truly a shit video mafia player lol.

nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

oh also that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

sooooo from what I understand

LC claimed block on Jack

but for some reason we're voting Nanook 800ish posts later?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:54 pm sooooo from what I understand

LC claimed block on Jack

but for some reason we're voting Nanook 800ish posts later?

2 players blocked, 2 players saved.

yeah

jack has been towny though and nanook has not

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:45 am Ok sure

I blocked Nanook last night

oh nvm that answers my question

could be one of jack/nook

@MartinGG99 Also 2 saves

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png

I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png

I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

You're full of caca

a reminder that there are also two doctors in the setup

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:57 pm a reminder that there are also two doctors in the setup

It's true, there could have been 3 saves last night. The non-kill is completely irrelevant FOR NOW.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png

I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

You're full of caca

But... I'm not.

skimmed posts until I saw new people talking

if I got this right

Falcon -> Marmot (save)
Mac -> Mac (save)
LC -> Jack (block)
Dolby -> Nanook (block)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:32 pm I think Mac's line of thought this entire game is

"Holy fuck, the CFD was all town"

"Killing the CFD players outs me as wolf"

"Hey guys, the CFD might have all been town"

"Actually fuck it, let's kill the CFD"

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Thoughts?

The more he buries his head in the sand the more I'm inclined to consider it, yeah

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

The only time I can remember calling sabie an easy read i was town defending her right up to the point she flipped red

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

bullshit

Although I do say most people are easy reads fairly flippantly tbf

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:38 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:29 am

Have you ever considered that some people in this game other than me don't respect you as a player, similar to how you view me when you think I'm town?

This came up when I read a post from Mac that did the same discrediting of a "town read" as you're claiming Martin did to you.

Highly doubt it's alignment indicative

That is not Martin, he respects me as a player.

Do you townread Martin? Why are you fighting his fight?

I can't speak for him, but I doubt he was ever planning on replying to this. So not really fighting his fight.

You are… speaking for him… that is the whole point.

I am guessing what he's thinking, some might argue that's the point of the game.

No, yoy are white knighting him.

Why dont we ask him? @MartinGG99

What do you think about that yo?

If NAA says he doubts I was ever going to reply to you then whatever he said (that you're referring to) probably didn't represent what I was thinking

also large quote auto-cut-off sucks

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

bullshit

I've wrongly defended her both of the two times she's rolled mafia against me im pretty sure

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

bullshit

I've wrongly defended her both of the two times she's rolled mafia against me im pretty sure

alright

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:55 pm jack has been towny though and nanook has not

I rarely am

I think I always vote Nanook over Jack

Havent read since I was last here

15 minutes to ask me anything, go