The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:12 am**

I think S~V~S is Triple HHH.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:14 am**

What? I don't have a kill, and if i did and it was stolen, why would i make such a major production out of it?

I don't have a kill, that's a flat statement for you.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:15 am**

S~V~S wrote:What? I don't have a kill, and if i did and it was stolen, why would i make such a major production out of it?

I don't have a kill, that's a flat statement for you.

Going after who you think is Eddie makes no sense if you are civilian. I'm sorry- it makes NONE.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:17 am**

Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:18 am**

I had to go back and look because I wasn't certain why we were so certain it was HHH.

I don't know how the role is written in terms of logistics - but could it be that eddie's power is that he picks a person to steal from and a target and might not know what the actual power is till it goes through? I've seen those types of roles written that way before. I might be willing to chalk it up to a misstep on eddie's part provided we don't see eddie steal hogan's power again.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:18 am**

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.

And how do you feel about that connection, CBK?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:18 am**

Yes it does, i don't trust indy roles, i never have, and i never will. they have different motivations than we do, and will stab us in the back if it means survival for them. i think an indy with access to a kill is a dangerous Indy.

i have said this is lots of games where i was a civ, and i will continue to do so. Becasue i believe it to be true.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:19 am**

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.

I'm not opposed to voting for you either. I just need to think about it.

And I'm not BACK to connecting them. I'm not connecting them. I think one stole the other's power. That's all. Hardly a "connection."

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:20 am**

Also Epi, how many times do you and i have to have pissing contests before you realize we don't think alike ever. Bea knows how i feel about indys, don't you Bea?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:21 am**

S~V~S wrote:Yes it does, i don't trust indy roles, i never have, and i never will. they have different motivations than we do, and will stab us in the back if it means survival for them. i think an indy with access to a kill is a dangerous Indy.

i have said this is lots of games where i was a civ, and i will continue to do so. Becasue i believe it to be true.

An independent SHOULD stab you in the back if it means SURVIVAL for them, right? Would you do the same?

That doesn't make them your priority if you are civilian.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:22 am**

S~V~S wrote:Also Epi, how many times do you and i have to have pissing contests before you realize we don't think alike ever. Bea knows how i feel about indys, don't you Bea?

Fortunately, I know what is a pissing contest and what is not. This is not.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:22 am**

Mongoose wrote:
Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.
And how do you feel about that connection, CBK?

Well, if you look back, I originally mistook the connection to be with Edge. I wasn't sure about the HHH thing, because he wasn't the only kill fail. But somehow that little Hogan phrase slipped right past me. It seems clear to me that it's the most likely.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:22 am**

So we're 90+% she is an indie, right?

I'm having a Bird in the Hand moment here.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:23 am**

Ironically, I voted with S~V~S with CBK.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:24 am**

i don't understand what you are saying? Just becasue it is good for THEM to stab me in the back, what do i care about that? I don;t want to be stabbed in the back by anyone. I think civvie killers kill for the good of all civvies, i think indy killers kill for themselves. One is in my interest, the other is not.

I think we are not even talking about the same thing, maybe? I could care less why she kills, I just want her to not be killing.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:25 am**

I do really - and I mostly agree with you. As well you know - as stated above - my proudest mafia moment was double crossing the civs at the end of Heroes mafia (all hail the indi misstress queen

) I tend to be more forgiving and willing to give them a chance than you (my glass being ever "but this time it's going to be different") I've played indi's both ways. Your position is the logical one.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:26 am**

Also the pissing contest part was not the point, Epi, the "we don't think alike" part was.

Bea, was that you saying that this is generally my position about indies across the board in the vagues way possible, lol?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:28 am**

S~V~S wrote:i don't understand what you are saying? Just becasue it is good for THEM to stab me in the back, what do i care about that? I don;t want to be stabbed in the back by anyone. I think civvie killers kill for the good of all civvies, i think indy killers kill for themselves. One is in my interest, the other is not.

I think we are not even talking about the same thing, maybe? I could care less why she kills, I just want her to not be killing.

Civilian killers and Indy killers are the same. They kill according to their best interest. Neither have BTSC. THAT'S THE THING.

Bad guys have BTSC. They can kill anyone. Civilian killers and Independent killers have no idea who they are killing, so they just do.

An independent can do more for civilians than a civilian can do.

I feel really weird telling you all this.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:29 am**

S~V~S wrote:Also the pissing contest part was not the point, Epi, the "we don't think alike" part was.

Bea, was that you saying that this is generally my position about indies across the board in the vagues way possible, lol?

yes - sorry - didn't realize I was being vauge. You are pretty firm on your position on indies. lol. Cold meds. They make me funkier than booze I swear.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:32 am**

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:i don't understand what you are saying? Just becasue it is good for THEM to stab me in the back, what do i care about that? I don;t want to be stabbed in the back by anyone. I think civvie killers kill for the good of all civvies, i think indy killers kill for themselves. One is in my interest, the other is not.

I think we are not even talking about the same thing, maybe? I could care less why she kills, I just want her to not be killing.
Civilian killers and Indy killers are the same. They kill according to their best interest. Neither have BTSC. THAT'S THE THING.

Bad guys have BTSC. They can kill anyone. Civilian killers and Independent killers have no idea who they are killing, so they just do.

An independent can do more for civilians than a civilian can do.

I feel really weird telling you all this.

i disagree 1,000%. Indys can do incalculable harm if they decide to choose a side, and illogical as it may seem they often make that choice. When i play Indy, i tend to play baddie centric; LT tends to play for the civvies, but more people choose the bad side. I really could not disagree more, and while you are more logical i have played over 100 games in almost 5 years, and I am flabbergasted that you cannot even try to see my point.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:35 am**

You have less experience with me. I am firmly with lorab here, an Indy is a baddie lite in my books. When Sorsha shows, she will tell you the same about me. i don;t trust them, i never have. And an indy that kills people, for whatever independant reason they have, is not good for the civvies. NOT.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:36 am**

I went with CBK

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:37 am**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I went with CBK

But you voted SVS

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:38 am**

I ment to say svs sory lol

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:38 am**

I kept debating between the two

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:39 am**

S~V~S wrote:You have less experience with me. I am firmly with lorab here, an Indy is a baddie lite in my books. When Sorsha shows, she will tell you the same about me. i don;t trust them, i never have. And an indy that kills people, for whatever independant reason they have, is not good for the civvies. NOT.

Let's be clear. Eddie does NOT have a kill power. If it works the way you say (which it seems you know too much about these stolen powers), why wouldn't the person whose power is being stolen just kill the theif on the off night? It's NOT a continual power as you make it out to be.

yeah, I'm not so good at not responding...

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:39 am**

Yeah, Bea & Sorsha are it for people i have played with a long time in this game. But lynching me becasue Epi does not understand a philosophy I have had for YEARS becasue he thinks differently is whats really illogical here.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:40 am**

No, but it can be used more than once. And i know becasue i asked the host lots and lots of questions about it via PM.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:42 am**

i have never killed anyone (in this game, lol), quite the opposite, actually.

This is gonna cause problems in future games Epi, if you lynch me every time i take a strong stand in Indies, ha ha

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:43 am**

Nice Bass. I should have been in bed 2 hours ago, i stayed up for this?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:44 am**

Yea. I have to say - I'm with svs here. I always want to give them (indies) a chance because that's *my* nature, but she is right. an indi with access to the ninja's kill is dangerous to keep around. There's no avoiding it. We can try to "make a deal" only to have it ultimately bite us in the ass when he steal the kill again.

votes cbk

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:45 am**

S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?

Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:46 am**

S~V~S wrote:Nice Bass. I should have been in bed 2 hours ago, i stayed up for this?

Sorry but I understand your case and have been thinking about it all day but you voting early and not talking about anything else just gave me really bad vibes and this might be a mistake but its just a game.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:47 am**

DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:48 am**

i can't believe this many people are still alive

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:49 am**

DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Whoa, whoa! Wait, what? On the same night? Because that changes all the discussion completely (except for how certain people feel about inides).

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:49 am**

DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

So...Eddie killing would NOT have had any effect on his target; his target would still have had use of his kill. If there was no kill, there would be other reasons for that.

thank Faraday

And I know Bass

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:49 am**

CBK by a hair.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:50 am**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.
Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .

Uh, come again? Why do you know this and how did we get to lou stealing powers?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:51 am**

Mp, if you weren't bad, I'd drag you out of your grave to return the favor.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:52 am**

I ment you CBK eddie stole edge's power sorry I'm super tried right now

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:53 am**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I ment you CBK eddie stole edge's power sorry I'm super tried right now

No worries

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:53 am**

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.
Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .
Uh, come again? Why do you know this and how did we get to lou stealing powers?

I mean HHH might not be dead but why would he stop killing when he needs to kill everyone?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:53 am**

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Mp, if you weren't bad, I'd drag you out of your grave to return the favor.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:54 am**

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Captain Bunny Killer wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?
Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.
Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .
Uh, come again? Why do you know this and how did we get to lou stealing powers?
I mean HHH might not be dead but why would he stop killing when he needs to kill everyone?

Not just one power was stolen, and it appears that the mimick thing is specific to Eddie.
Is that right?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:56 am**

Trish has a percentage based mimic as well.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:57 am**

S~V~S wrote:Trish has a percentage based mimic as well.

Do we know if it takes the power away or just mimics like Eddie?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:57 am**

so if you mimic you kill who ever your target targeted too right?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:59 am**

No the targeted killer kills them i would think, not the mimic role.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:00 am**

S~V~S wrote:No the targeted killer kills them i would think, not the mimic role.

I thinkk thats what I was saying lol

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