The Syndicate

I think Light starts out with a Death Note, and the other Kiras get theirs after specific events, probably including Light (or Misa, etc) losing his Death Note or giving it up.

Zomba, I'm not convinced yet. Normally, I would take hubby/wife advising, but normally, there is a better reason or case, so I'm having trouble with this. His statement sounded fair to me, like he was trying to be fair. Sounded like he didn't want to judge you without seeing you in action first. Are you saying that he normally would have judged you without waiting for something to judge on?

Turnip Head wrote:I think Light starts out with a Death Note, and the other Kiras get theirs after specific events, probably including Light (or Misa, etc) losing his Death Note or giving it up.

We already know that Misa will forfeit her possession and Higuchi will gain it. Light might lose his, too, according to canon, but I don't think he would lose it forever, since he's still the essential Kira.

I think Light could eventually pass his Death Note to X Kira, but maybe he'd keep a few pages (kills?) for himself?

There I go wildly speculating :P

FZ. wrote:I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions

On Day 1, I wasn't going to throw my vote away. On Day 2, I made up my mind at the last second to try to save bwt, because I thought the lynch on him was bullshit, especially supported by some of the "let them defend themselves first" mindset. Snowman had a chance and did not, but poor bwt just came home to find out he was lynched. Bullshit.

If any of you do decide to follow DharmaHelper's vote, I want you to keep in mind a few things. First, he and I argued a bit about accountability, and I argued that some people would try to dodge accountability for their vote. DH said that everyone would be accountable for their votes. However, DH framed it so that anything I did could result in him voting for me (if I voted Russ on Day 1, I was just trying to keep my hands clean, but if I didn't vote Russ, then I wasn't following through on my suspicion). Now he says that he's okay voting me even if I'm not bad because I'm dead weight. I don't get offended by things people say, but that stung a little.

DharmaHelper has freed himself of any responsibility voting for me. He doesn't care if I'm Kira. He just wants me gone. Anyway, if your rationale for voting me is that I'm "dead weight," then what is stopping you from voting Snowman? If I get lynched instead of him, then that means someone who really is not contributing gets another pass, and my game will be over. I think that sucks.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions

On Day 1, I wasn't going to throw my vote away. On Day 2, I made up my mind at the last second to try to save bwt, because I thought the lynch on him was bullshit, especially supported by some of the "let them defend themselves first" mindset. Snowman had a chance and did not, but poor bwt just came home to find out he was lynched. Bullshit.

If any of you do decide to follow DharmaHelper's vote, I want you to keep in mind a few things. First, he and I argued a bit about accountability, and I argued that some people would try to dodge accountability for their vote. DH said that everyone would be accountable for their votes. However, DH framed it so that anything I did could result in him voting for me (if I voted Russ on Day 1, I was just trying to keep my hands clean, but if I didn't vote Russ, then I wasn't following through on my suspicion). Now he says that he's okay voting me even if I'm not bad because I'm dead weight. I don't get offended by things people say, but that stung a little.

DharmaHelper has freed himself of any responsibility voting for me. He doesn't care if I'm Kira. He just wants me gone. Anyway, if your rationale for voting me is that I'm "dead weight," then what is stopping you from voting Snowman? If I get lynched instead of him, then that means someone who really is not contributing gets another pass, and my game will be over. I think that sucks.

Well that's just manipulative.

catching up now.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions

On Day 1, I wasn't going to throw my vote away. On Day 2, I made up my mind at the last second to try to save bwt, because I thought the lynch on him was bullshit, especially supported by some of the "let them defend themselves first" mindset. Snowman had a chance and did not, but poor bwt just came home to find out he was lynched. Bullshit.

If any of you do decide to follow DharmaHelper's vote, I want you to keep in mind a few things. First, he and I argued a bit about accountability, and I argued that some people would try to dodge accountability for their vote. DH said that everyone would be accountable for their votes. However, DH framed it so that anything I did could result in him voting for me (if I voted Russ on Day 1, I was just trying to keep my hands clean, but if I didn't vote Russ, then I wasn't following through on my suspicion). Now he says that he's okay voting me even if I'm not bad because I'm dead weight. I don't get offended by things people say, but that stung a little.

DharmaHelper has freed himself of any responsibility voting for me. He doesn't care if I'm Kira. He just wants me gone. Anyway, if your rationale for voting me is that I'm "dead weight," then what is stopping you from voting Snowman? If I get lynched instead of him, then that means someone who really is not contributing gets another pass, and my game will be over. I think that sucks.

Had you actually voted for Russ (or anyone you said you were going to vote for) I would have felt differently about you. It would have been a shit vote, but you would have stuck to your guns, so I couldn't fault you for that.

And for the record, I'm OK with voting for you because I think you're bad. If I'm wrong, I won't be that torn up about it because you have contributed absolutely zero to the civ cause. If anything, you have served as a distraction, and a detriment. You have added absolutely nothing of value. All you're doing is complaining and splitting hairs about Yotsuba. Nobody cares. Get over it. If you are a civ, which is significantly unlikely, you should start acting like it.

I'm not going to argue with you DH. You're just looking for excuses so you don't have to take responsibility for not finding Kira. I get it.

I've added absolutely nothing of value. Got it. Thanks.

Epignosis wrote:I'm not going to argue with you DH. You're just looking for excuses so you don't have to take responsibility for not finding Kira. I get it.

I've added absolutely nothing of value. Got it. Thanks.

I take 100% responsibility for my vote. If only everyone were so inclined.

bea wrote:

boo wrote:We should lynch llama.

I disagree.

Me too. I am voting Snowman again.

Epi feels genuine in these posts. And Fwiw -i think he's contributed far more than I have even if it has been tough at times to get to it.

bea wrote:Epi feels genuine in these posts. And Fwiw -i think he's contributed far more than I have even if it has been tough at times to get to it.

He does? In what way~ I am missing it and if I am wrong I would like to have it explained to me.

He said exactly the same thing to MD as he said to DH, that I just want him gone. That does not sound genuine to me. Tbh.

DH not MD

Ricochet wrote:Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show?

You tell me. :P

Also, please keep this in mind, everyone:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, folks, I know this game has been super intense, and no one has necessarily violated this rule just yet, but let's just keep in mind:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RULES

1. No BTSC (Behind the Scenes Contact/Conversation) with anyone other than your specified BTSC partners.
2. No role outing of yourself or anyone else.
3. Be respectful and remember that this is a game.
4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row).
5. No posting or summarizing the contents of host PMs in the thread.
6. Dead players should not post on-topic and should be in dead red. There is a "dead" button when posting for this function.
7. Off-topic posts should be in off-topic green. There is an "OT" button when posting for this function.
8. Posts from non-players should be in non-player blue. There is a "np" button when posting for this function.
9. Have fun!

Thanks!

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

Yeah BR, both times you thought it was me, huh? :P

MP keeps trying to get us to take this lynching business less seriously by reminding us that it is just a game. I think he might be bad.

S~V~S wrote:

bea wrote:Epi feels genuine in these posts. And Fwiw -i think he's contributed far more than I have even if it has been tough at times to get to it.

He does? In what way~ I am missing it and if I am wrong I would like to have it explained to me.

He said exactly the same thing to MD as he said to DH, that I just want him gone. That does not sound genuine to me. Tbh.

S~V~S wrote:DH not MD

What do you mean SVS?

Linki @llama: MP is posting in standard player colour. Don't hosts normally post in a different colour? (this post is in remembrance of LC).

I don't like seeing Epi mope around like a sick puppy. Best case scenario, this is an act designed by a baddie to illicit a reaction, that ended up going too far in the opposite direction.

If he is genuinely a civvie, I'm trying to light a fire under his ass so I can see that. But all I'm seeing is a disinterested, grumpy Epi. If he does genuinely think things are hopeless for him or for the civs, laying down and taking it is not the way I'd expect him to go about things.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Linki @llama: MP is posting in standard player colour. Don't hosts normally post in a different colour? (this post is in remembrance of LC).

They do, unless they are bad hosts. I don't mean they are bad at hosting, I mean they are bad people who are also hosts.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

Well then I can assume you aren't Kira or I'd be dead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

Well then I can assume you aren't Kira or I'd be dead.

How many times do I owe you? How was Donner for you?

Who do you guys think is going to get killed after the lynch?

DharmaHelper wrote:Who do you guys think is going to get killed after the lynch?

I hope not me.

Maybe Epi and that's why he's acting so weird.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Linki @llama: MP is posting in standard player colour. Don't hosts normally post in a different colour? (this post is in remembrance of LC).

They do, unless they are bad hosts. I don't mean they are bad at hosting, I mean they are bad people who are also hosts.

I wanted to keep in Death Note Spirit and use either white or black as my host color for this game, but white is the standard color. I therefore wanted black but noticed it doesn't appear very well on this dark background.

So I stayed with white. :P

And I decided I had no particular reason to use any other color than anyone else.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Linki @llama: MP is posting in standard player colour. Don't hosts normally post in a different colour? (this post is in remembrance of LC).

They do, unless they are bad hosts. I don't mean they are bad at hosting, I mean they are bad people who are also hosts.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

Interesting, a rev player would know him better. I do believe he has made an impression since he started playing here as well. I wouldn't limit it to a rev player at all. Killings can be a surprise. Like the last two times I was killed on night 1, I was super surprised when I found out who did it. Don't worry boys, I never forget. I know I'm not that brave. I doubt it was you or SVS. Like I already said I would be blown away if it was Epig. I also can't explain why I doubt it would be him, I guess I always think those two have a lot of fun sparring in the thread. Kinda like a respect thing. I could see DH, Llama, MM, or TH doing it. That's cause I think of them as ballsy players who like to make a statement. It's too hard to be for sure.

I wonder who you might be talking about.

Well then I can assume you aren't Kira or I'd be dead.

How many times do I owe you? How was Donner for you?

I was lynched Day 1 in GoC, so... I think that' counts for something.

My team also killed you in Dr. Who, but that was very late in the game at least.

Oh Host...

Ricochet wrote: First off, I just have to ask the Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show?
Besides, does anyone have thoughts on L calling out Ace?

(inb4 "good question ")

Also,

Ricochet wrote:Besides, does anyone have thoughts on L calling out Ace?

Rico,

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show?

You tell me. :P

Sorry that doesn't answer your question... or am I?

Oh, I missed your answer, sorry.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wanted to keep in Death Note Spirit and use either white or black as my host color for this game, but white is the standard color. I therefore wanted black but noticed it doesn't appear very well on this dark background.

So I stayed with white. :P

And I decided I had no particular reason to use any other color than anyone else.

Hosts should be bold and colourful.

Linki: We should consider that, he's taken a back seat since day one. That was for Rico, sense I am likely stuck in linkitis.

Zomberella, while you're here, could you reply to my question from a couple hours ago?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rico,

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show?

You tell me. :P

Sorry that doesn't answer your question... or am I?

Hey Mata.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Mata, I forgot to ask you for a response to this please. I hope you enjoyed playing outside.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matahari wrote:I don't think Epig is up to any good either, but I can't really figure out why I feel that way. He's not doing anything that seems remotely helpful

I still feel weird about Metalmarsh voting Epig. His convo with Llama was very confusing, he seemed to disagree with llama, but then he would post something that sounded like he was feeding llama, then back to disagreeing with him. Then he votes epig, kind of out of the blue. Maybe he has bts with llama.

Wait, wait what? You suspect Epi, then you suspect me for voting Epi for the same reason you suspected.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey Mata.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Mata, I forgot to ask you for a response to this please. I hope you enjoyed playing outside.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matahari wrote:I don't think Epig is up to any good either, but I can't really figure out why I feel that way. He's not doing anything that seems remotely helpful

I still feel weird about Metalmarsh voting Epig. His convo with Llama was very confusing, he seemed to disagree with llama, but then he would post something that sounded like he was feeding llama, then back to disagreeing with him. Then he votes epig, kind of out of the blue. Maybe he has bts with llama.

Wait, wait what? You suspect Epi, then you suspect me for voting Epi for the same reason you suspected.

I answered that Grasshopper

Black Rock wrote:
Linki: We should consider that, he's taken a back seat since day one. That was for Rico, sense I am likely stuck in linkitis.

If you're not familiar with the show, then what I referenced is that usually L (and then Near) voiced out low likelihood on several people being Kira (usually on Light), but in fact meant it completely the other way around. I don't know if this would be implemented here, though, because it's not clear how much intel L achieves every night, but I suppose it could also be L's (the player here) decision whether or not to give us a serious likelihood.

Omg, I'm so sorry. I missed it Matahari. Thank you.

It seemed to me that L was trying to tell us not to pursue suspicion of Ace.

I was just going to ask what people thought about Russ but he appears to be making a post now. I'm excited.

Matahari wrote:Zomba, I'm not convinced yet. Normally, I would take hubby/wife advising, but normally, there is a better reason or case, so I'm having trouble with this. His statement sounded fair to me, like he was trying to be fair. Sounded like he didn't want to judge you without seeing you in action first. Are you saying that he normally would have judged you without waiting for something to judge on?

No, I'm saying that he wouldn't have judged me, or anyone, ever. That's how he plays. He doesn't build cases. He just hints. It sounds logical and thoughtful but there's no real substance. The fact that he used my name tells me that he wants me dead.

Turnip Head wrote:It seemed to me that L was trying to tell us not to pursue suspicion of Ace.

Could be. Did we ever pursue suspicion of Ace, though?

@All - Again, I get that you might not see what I see in Snowman's post. I totally get that. But asking me to explain over and over again is not going to help you see what I see. You either trust me or you don't. You either think that Snowman is a detective that is helping to search for Kira or you don't. He's not posting because be knows I'm on to something and doesn't want to slip up and give me more ammo. You will see. That is the only assurance I can give. I know it's not hugely convincing, but that's what I've got.

Ricochet wrote:MetalMarsh votes Epignosis first thing D3. Only reasoning he gives is that it's because he doesn't think Epig is intentionally inconsistent.
Almost one day later, makes a big case on Epig bringing out a pattern of intentional inconsistencies.
Receives standing ovation.

Really?

Yeah... the fact that his case came out now, when momentum is starting to build in Epig's direction, is pretty damn pingy.

Other than that, there have been multiple pages of pure pissing contest between DH/TH and Epig, nothing that's really adding to the discussion in any meaningful way. And they want to throw around the "dead weight" accusation... Meanwhile, the case against Snowman is slowly improving based on my read of Zombra (as well as his continued silence), and I will likely cast a vote that way unless something unusual develops by next afternoon.

Zomberella12 wrote:@All - Again, I get that you might not see what I see in Snowman's post. I totally get that. But asking me to explain over and over again is not going to help you see what I see. You either trust me or you don't. You either think that Snowman is a detective that is helping to search for Kira or you don't. He's not posting because be knows I'm on to something and doesn't want to slip up and give me more ammo. You will see. That is the only assurance I can give. I know it's not hugely convincing, but that's what I've got.

I would be very interested to see the results of a Snowman Lynch.