The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:29 pm**

It could just be like c4 and Jay or something but

I don't care

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:30 pm**

i really hope axe is a wolf because i’m not sure mac or nook are

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:30 pm**

I am just going to continue to try to solve the game in the hopes that a miracle occurs.

I just ISO'd C4 and there is nothing redeemable there. In light of the flips all he's done is push on town and at no point did I see any single post that looked like a townslip or something a mafia couldn't concoct.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:30 pm i really hope axe is a wolf because i’m not sure mac or nook are

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm**

I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:32 pm**

jay/c4 is cleared of being the team right? because no hammer

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:33 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.

I gave it yesterday, it's not bs, and it's not overly useful.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:33 pm**

In theory but its mylo and Jay is a coward

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm**

By which I mean he's a cautious scum player that is aware both me and axe may bait votes as town

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm**

What, are votes locked?

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.

then nook has to be mafia fypov? or else jay/c4 hammer

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:35 pm**

Oh hammer at 4. Okay.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:35 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.
then nook has to be mafia fypov? or else jay/c4 hammer

Is Jay even at his computer?

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:35 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm What, are votes locked?

no, they can unvote

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:36 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:35 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.
then nook has to be mafia fypov? or else jay/c4 hammer
Is Jay even at his computer?

idfk

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:36 pm**

i assume c4 would ping him

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:37 pm**

Well if they can unvote, and Jay is not at his computer, what is the point of C4 voting me here?

If it's C4/Jay he has to wait for Jay to be responsive. If it's C4 + either of Axe/Nook then... C4 voting me here is really not going to look great for him anyway.

The only team pairing truly ruled out right now is C4/Hally..

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:37 pm**

Like we can wait until Jay makes a post and rule it C4/Jay or lose I guess.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

@JaggedJimmyJay come make a post.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:37 pm Well if they can unvote, and Jay is not at his computer, what is the point of C4 voting me here?

If it's C4/Jay he has to wait for Jay to be responsive. If it's C4 + either of Axe/Nook then... C4 voting me here is really not going to look great for him anyway.

The only team pairing truly ruled out right now is C4/Hally..

well this doesn’t help me

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

but from your pov, yes

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

thank you

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

If Jay returns and doesn't vote me then it rules out Jay/Hally, C4/Hally and Jay/C4. So it means that there is always a mafia or two between Nanook and Axe at that point. To me anyway.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

that's disappointing tbh cuz now I can't solve the way I wanted to lol.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:40 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine
thank you

I'm just deciding whether I thibk c4 is outed or not lol

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

@Hally may you please read C4's ISO and give me a vibe check on it?

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

nook don’t vote mac

i’m really not sure he’s a wolf here and i still think you’re a villager

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm @Hally may you please read C4's ISO and give me a vibe check on it?

yea in a bit

i’m at work now so i keep having to look away

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:43 pm**

i think mac’s reaction here was good

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:43 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:29 pm Axe thinks difference check between me and mac, I think difference check between him and mac, clearly we have to kill mac

There being a difference check between me and both of you (which is how the rest of the game should perceive what just occurred), should realistically out me as town because there is very little chance there is not a mafia between you two.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:47 pm**

i really think axe is always a wolf here

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm**

A collection of AI things to consider:

Today we had Nook/Axe put me at L-2 and sew some chaos.

The (relevant) wagons on D2 were:
Mac (3) - Nanook
Dizzy (3) - Jay, NotAnAxehole
NAA (2) - Hally/C4

Marmot was killed n1, but the mafia knew there was a tracker and watcher present so it was probably at least somewhat a dodge. Marmot's POE was Alison/Mac/Axe.

On day 1 Alison was hammered at 6. The only live players from that wagon are Hally and Nanook. Jay was voting Axe. Axe was voting Nanook and Mac was voting C4. All single voters. C4 did not vote, and in fact voted for the no vote option.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm**

I think that C4 is very strongly likely to be mafia. I think that the other one is one of Axe or Nanook.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:51 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm A collection of AI things to consider:

Today we had Nook/Axe put me at L-2 and sew some chaos.

The (relevant) wagons on D2 were:
Mac (3) - Nanook
Dizzy (3) - Jay, NotAnAxehole
NAA (2) - Hally/C4

Marmot was killed n1, but the mafia knew there was a tracker and watcher present so it was probably at least somewhat a dodge. Marmot's POE was Alison/Mac/Axe.

On day 1 Alison was hammered at 6. The only live players from that wagon are Hally and Nanook. Jay was voting Axe. Axe was voting Nanook and Mac was voting C4. All single voters. C4 did not vote, and in fact voted for the no vote option.

i only hammered because alison asked and nobody objected (including jay)

i clearly wanted NAA though and even asked alison to vote him with me

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:52 pm**

really this entire game has been me being like “axe is a wolf” and being ignored

so lol everyone if he’s a wolf

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:52 pm**

@c4e5g3d5 really would like to hear from you.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:53 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm I think that C4 is very strongly likely to be mafia. I think that the other one is one of Axe or Nanook.

c4/nook is never the team imo

if c4 is a wolf it’s always with NAA i think

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:54 pm**

c4’s posts so far today have not been good

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:54 pm**

Fine C4 and NAA is the team then. That was what I'd arrived to anyway. It's also what Jay's first instinct was today too so meh. I'm fine with it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:55 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:44 pm My read on wilgy is predicated on the density of his posting and that I thought he was softing bp early in the game if its now just based on density idk if I believe it or not but I feel like I've come too far to change my mind now

Don't super love that he rescinded the claim before he could get nked tho lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Why would you make him claim again wtf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Anyways I hard CC put me over today idc

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Why would you make him claim again wtf
Because he's about to get chopped
HE ALREADY CLAIMED DONT FUCKING MAKE HIM DO IT AGAIN JESUS CHRIST

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:53 pm can't stand the fps claims
And I can't stand mechanical incompetence, yet here we fucking are

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:56 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:54 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:52 pm Anyways I hard CC put me over today idc
then vote wilgy
No we should never kill either of us
wtf are u doin pal
My best

Nook is town.

Nook pretending not to know Wilgy's the princess as intricately as he did in the highlighted post is a step wolves just skip. It doesn't make it look any more like a swap at a glance, and it's maybe the most effective thing he can do to pull the swap off if he's town.
Nook's handling of the swap is just really tonally raw and under the time pressure of EoD. Reads like he really thought he could salvage the swap last second with that first post.

Nook is town.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:56 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm nook don’t vote mac

i’m really not sure he’s a wolf here and i still think you’re a villager

I'm gonna vote who I think is most likely mafia before I go to bed lol

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:57 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:29 pm Axe thinks difference check between me and mac, I think difference check between him and mac, clearly we have to kill mac
There being a difference check between me and both of you (which is how the rest of the game should perceive what just occurred), should realistically out me as town because there is very little chance there is not a mafia between you two.

That logic only holds for you lol

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:57 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:56 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm nook don’t vote mac

i’m really not sure he’s a wolf here and i still think you’re a villager
I'm gonna vote who I think is most likely mafia before I go to bed lol

yes i’m aware you won’t listen to me but i still feel obligated to try lol

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:00 pm**

I also like doing things I know are a waste of time

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:04 pm**

If y'all are really all in on this team

Alison never doesn't tunnel me sometime before EoD1 when I wolf against her. She cleared me this game.
Hally's been snap calling my alignment SoD1 every game since like July. Guess what they did this game?

There's literally one dead villager that didn't have me as almost clear.

I'm miles out of my wolf range. I never come up with my Alison read as a wolf. I never come up with my Jay read as a wolf. I never come up with my Dizzy read as a wolf. I never handle Dizzy's soft like that as a wolf. I'm not proud of it, but I can never case that much town that intricately as a wolf.

There are plenty of games where I deserve to be MLed, and then there's this game. Please.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:15 pm**

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=13995075

C4's ISO as mafia (that won) in the mentor/mentee game on MU. Just putting here to clarify his claim that he's miles out of his wolf range.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:17 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:04 pm If y'all are really all in on this team

Alison never doesn't tunnel me sometime before EoD1 when I wolf against her. She cleared me this game.
Hally's been snap calling my alignment SoD1 every game since like July. Guess what they did this game?

There's literally one dead villager that didn't have me as almost clear.

I'm miles out of my wolf range. I never come up with my Alison read as a wolf. I never come up with my Jay read as a wolf. I never come up with my Dizzy read as a wolf. I never handle Dizzy's soft like that as a wolf. I'm not proud of it, but I can never case that much town that intricately as a wolf.

There are plenty of games where I deserve to be MLed, and then there's this game. Please.

c4e5g3d5;5364197 wrote:I mean obviously self towncases are biased but

I pushed both wolves
The second got tilted at me
Every wolf-killed villager has had me as town

I can just tell you to look at these things yourselves

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:04 pm If y'all are really all in on this team

Alison never doesn't tunnel me sometime before EoD1 when I wolf against her. She cleared me this game.
Hally's been snap calling my alignment SoD1 every game since like July. Guess what they did this game?

There's literally one dead villager that didn't have me as almost clear.

I'm miles out of my wolf range. I never come up with my Alison read as a wolf. I never come up with my Jay read as a wolf. I never come up with my Dizzy read as a wolf. I never handle Dizzy's soft like that as a wolf. I'm not proud of it, but I can never case that much town that intricately as a wolf.

There are plenty of games where I deserve to be MLed, and then there's this game. Please.

What Alison read. What Jay read. What Dizzy read. What Dizzy soft. I recall no intricate case making from you.

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