The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Long Con wrote:This lynch is not going to end well. I don't think that Metalmarsh is The Top. I do believe Bass' role claim. MY biggest suspects right now are Timmer, Turnip Head, and to a lesser extent, Soneji, FZ, and Sophie.

There isn't a vote I can cast that will save Metalmarsh unless I vote for Bass, but there's just no point to voting Bass. If I don't vote Bass, I might as well vote Metalmarsh, because Bass will surely switch his vote.

I'll vote for Timmer, sorry MM, but we don't need Dr Alchemy dead.

So if I'm right about MM you must also be bad.

Actually, that was "we" as in "everyone in the game". I thought that would be obvious, especially to you. You just want to survive. I think every Indy Rogue should have solved their own tildes in the thread long ago, we could have narrowed things down a LOT more, way earlier.

Oh ok. I think solving tildes can get people night killed.

Sophie wrote:lc, why do you think bass is dr alchemy? if thats what you are saying

bass, i ve been suspish of rabbit of a long time and the fact he didnt appear in quite a while confirm this (unless he was replaced, wich i totally missed), im not sure i trust all of timmer claims, and i think br might be right and TH might be tops.

im more sure about people i trust than to people i dont, and this lynch is gonna go bad if mm gets lynched. i wish i could have changed my vote to timmer.

Rabbit is still playing. I had map BTSC with him a few nights ago, and he said then that he was going to shape up, catch up, and start posting more content. It appears that he was unable to achieve that goal.

On that note, I didn't get much of a sense of his alignment or role in that chat. We talked about some Day Three current events, and that's about it.

But he's still playing. He was on the poll.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Long Con wrote:This lynch is not going to end well. I don't think that Metalmarsh is The Top. I do believe Bass' role claim. MY biggest suspects right now are Timmer, Turnip Head, and to a lesser extent, Soneji, FZ, and Sophie.

There isn't a vote I can cast that will save Metalmarsh unless I vote for Bass, but there's just no point to voting Bass. If I don't vote Bass, I might as well vote Metalmarsh, because Bass will surely switch his vote.

I'll vote for Timmer, sorry MM, but we don't need Dr Alchemy dead.

So if I'm right about MM you must also be bad.

Actually, that was "we" as in "everyone in the game". I thought that would be obvious, especially to you. You just want to survive. I think every Indy Rogue should have solved their own tildes in the thread long ago, we could have narrowed things down a LOT more, way earlier.

Oh ok. I think solving tildes can get people night killed.

All this game's solvers are still alive, until the host gets his lynch post up. But, point taken, solving can definitely be dangerous.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Hey guys, I'm leaving work this second, so I'll get the Lynch Post up when I arrive home!

Guess we'll see what happens.

Now that we've got THAT over with, we need to actually lynch someone tomorrow.

LOL... thanks for getting that up, MR! Yay no death?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that we've got THAT over with, we need to actually lynch someone tomorrow.

Does anyone have Heat Wave all decoded? Is there any objection to decoding it, with him being a Civ role? He starts fires at locations, but I can't really decipher what they do yet, and I'm curious.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that we've got THAT over with, we need to actually lynch someone tomorrow.

Were you expecting that?

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that we've got THAT over with, we need to actually lynch someone tomorrow.

Were you expecting that?

Since it was a tie, I didn't know what to expect exactly. The post is somewhat unclear about what happened, and I don't have any more information than you do.

Long Con wrote:Does anyone have Heat Wave all decoded? Is there any objection to decoding it, with him being a Civ role? He starts fires at locations, but I can't really decipher what they do yet, and I'm curious.

This is what I've got.





Twice per game, he may start a fire at a location in his ~~~~~e. The fire will destroy the location and will ~a~e ~ar~~~~ e~~~~~s of players who are currently in that location.

Which could mean.

Twice per game, he may start a fire at a location in his ~~~~~e. The fire will destroy the location and will make barbecu entrees of players who are currently in that location.

Nice! "Barbecu entrees", I love it!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that we've got THAT over with, we need to actually lynch someone tomorrow.

Were you expecting that?

Since it was a tie, I didn't know what to expect exactly. The post is somewhat unclear about what happened, and I don't have any more information than you do.

Ok, so it was more of a relief thing then? I read it as a little smug and knowing.

Too bad effigies doesn't fit there. That would be intense :o

SVS, I did not have that in my role PM. I'm very curious by yours, though.

Well, I'm sticking to my guns in trusting MM. I will likely vote Timmer again the next Day. I may even consider moving to TH. I think BR has a very interesting point there. I also think it's interesting that MM's mind control was entirely based around saying Timmer's name, and TH has been vouching for Timmer this whole time. Set up for civ cred? I wonder.

I agree with LC regarding Bass. It's pretty obvious now who he is and I don't think he should be lynched, especially since he seems to have good intentions.

I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

FZ. wrote:I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

Based on Zoom's secrets.

If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die. ?????????

Then I think he is not alive, or at least not active. I can't think of a dead player who could be Zoom though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

Based on Zoom's secrets.

If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die. ?????????

Then I think he is not alive, or at least not active. I can't think of a dead player who could be Zoom though.

Why, because llama is alive?

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

Based on Zoom's secrets.

If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die. ?????????

Then I think he is not alive, or at least not active. I can't think of a dead player who could be Zoom though.

Why, because llama is alive?

Precisely.

hey guys sorry ive been so busy ive had no time for the game. i feel like some of you are figuring out peoples roles and i feel out of the loop because im not following and it means i will struggle to make cases. at this point i have no idea about anyone snymore. i know i have a friend obv because they stopped the lynch but i dont know who to trust. back later.

timmer wrote:hey guys sorry ive been so busy ive had no time for the game. i feel like some of you are figuring out peoples roles and i feel out of the loop because im not following and it means i will struggle to make cases. at this point i have no idea about anyone snymore. i know i have a friend obv because they stopped the lynch but i dont know who to trust. back later.

Yes, this gives me some new things to think about, for sure.

I am not the Top or any other baddie. I realize that me defending Timmer has been most directly opposed to some of the Top's objectives, which has inadvertently made me a Top suspect, but I've had good reasons to defend Timmer and it has nothing to do with my role. BR, if I had that power I would honestly never target you with it, because I would know that you specifically would find a way to trace it back to me given our history. I don't know who's behind it but it's a clever gambit if they saw it working out exactly this way.

I still don't understand the Timmer votes, or especially the Bass votes. MM you asked me if I thought Bass was playing a civ-friendly game, my answer is yes because how else do you make sense of Bass' play? He is playing much differently than he did when we caught him as Bass 1.0. Then there's Sophie who hasn't said much this game but is strongly defending MM, which gives me pause. Sophie, why do you have so much trust in MM?

And as the player list whittles down I grow more concerned that rabbit and Soneji are inactive New Rogues rather than inactive Indies. I don't believe we've had a Murmur silence in quite some time, and Girder is almost assuredly still out there. Professor Zoom is either dead or inactive.

Turnip Head wrote:I am not the Top or any other baddie. I realize that me defending Timmer has been most directly opposed to some of the Top's objectives, which has inadvertently made me a Top suspect, but I've had good reasons to defend Timmer and it has nothing to do with my role. BR, if I had that power I would honestly never target you with it, because I would know that you specifically would find a way to trace it back to me given our history. I don't know who's behind it but it's a clever gambit if they saw it working out exactly this way.

I still don't understand the Timmer votes, or especially the Bass votes. MM you asked me if I thought Bass was playing a civ-friendly game, my answer is yes because how else do you make sense of Bass' play? He is playing much differently than he did when we caught him as Bass 1.0. Then there's Sophie who hasn't said much this game but is strongly defending MM, which gives me pause. Sophie, why do you have so much trust in MM?

And as the player list whittles down I grow more concerned that rabbit and Soneji are inactive New Rogues rather than inactive Indies. I don't believe we've had a Murmur silence in quite some time, and Girder is almost assuredly still out there. Professor Zoom is either dead or inactive.

It's interesting that you don't mention Tar Pit or Blacksmith at all.

I mean there are 7 New Rogues. 1 of them is obviously dead, and another is presumed dead (but we have not narrowed down who Plunder could have been). Actually, I'm starting to think that DH was Plunder. It's the only thing that seems to fit.

There are other roles that have not been active. Zoom does not appear to be active. Magenta does not appear to be active. Abra Kadabra hasn't done anything since the rezz of llama, if that was indeed caused by him.



Also, Professor Zoom was lynched already. I believe it was Aces.

I need some help with the Blacksmith's role secrets. This is what I have, but it is not grammatically correct.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power a BTSC and she will die.

If this is a true power, this could change some things.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I am not the Top or any other baddie. I realize that me defending Timmer has been most directly opposed to some of the Top's objectives, which has inadvertently made me a Top suspect, but I've had good reasons to defend Timmer and it has nothing to do with my role. BR, if I had that power I would honestly never target you with it, because I would know that you specifically would find a way to trace it back to me given our history. I don't know who's behind it but it's a clever gambit if they saw it working out exactly this way.

I still don't understand the Timmer votes, or especially the Bass votes. MM you asked me if I thought Bass was playing a civ-friendly game, my answer is yes because how else do you make sense of Bass' play? He is playing much differently than he did when we caught him as Bass 1.0. Then there's Sophie who hasn't said much this game but is strongly defending MM, which gives me pause. Sophie, why do you have so much trust in MM?

And as the player list whittles down I grow more concerned that rabbit and Soneji are inactive New Rogues rather than inactive Indies. I don't believe we've had a Murmur silence in quite some time, and Girder is almost assuredly still out there. Professor Zoom is either dead or inactive.

It's interesting that you don't mention Tar Pit or Blacksmith at all.

It's not really that interesting. I was naming the ones that would have a noticeable impact on events we could see. Girder can't be night killed so he's still alive because we haven't lynched him. Murmur is either dead or inactive because of a lack of silences. The other roles aren't worth mentioning because it's impossible to tell whether they are active/alive or not. Magenta could be saving her pardon. Blacksmith only impacts New Rogues, we have no way to tell what she's up to. Nobody has brought forward any stories of Tar Pit-related incidents, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't active.

But inactivity is still a cause for concern to me. Made never posted, and we lynched his replacement, and Made turned out to be a completely apathetic serial killer. I don't think rabbit would play this way as a baddie, tbh, I think he would try to get replaced. Soneji I'm not so sure about.

FZ. wrote:I see what you're saying regarding Bass, and I agree he shouldn't be voted. Sorry about that Bass.

Some of my questions are dumb, like the one about how many players are still alive when it's on the poll so I apologize in advance if some of my new ones will be as stupid. Honestly, I'm struggling to keep up with the game.

How many New Rogues do you think are still out there?
Did we solve all the tidles of the new rogues?
Is Zoom still alive?

Are the only people really defending TImmer and TH are Timmer and TH? I was defending them earlier, but am starting to wonder

Bass and SVS, why did you vote MM? If the vote was on TH, would you still vote MM or would you move it to TH?

I don't actively distrust TH at this time. And just as his points re Roxy made sense Bass' points re MM made a lot of sense to me. I think MM could have cursed himself with that Timmer thing, he seemed pretty annoyed about it when people tried to think of ways for him to get around it. I am getting an Indy vibe from TH moreso than a New Rogue/baddie vibe from TH. Why did you vote for Bass?

Th is giving me baddie vibes, imo. Br points about him made sense, and he seems to be fooling a lot of people into thinking he is civvie

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Too bad effigies doesn't fit there. That would be intense :o

SVS, I did not have that in my role PM. I'm very curious by yours, though.

Well, I'm sticking to my guns in trusting MM. I will likely vote Timmer again the next Day. I may even consider moving to TH. I think BR has a very interesting point there. I also think it's interesting that MM's mind control was entirely based around saying Timmer's name, and TH has been vouching for Timmer this whole time. Set up for civ cred? I wonder.

I tend to agree with what you say here, devin

Sophie wrote:Th is giving me baddie vibes, imo. Br points about him made sense, and he seems to be fooling a lot of people into thinking he is civvie

Can you elaborate here?

Bass 2.0
2
FZ. (10), Sophie (11) 14%
Black Rock
0
No votes
Devin the Omniscient
0
No votes
FZ.
0
No votes
Long Con
0
No votes
MetalMarsh89
4
Turnip Head (2), S~V~S (4), timmer (5), Bass_the_Clever (12) 29%
Rabbit8
0
No votes
Soniji
0
No votes
Sophie
0
No votes
S~V~S
0
No votes
Llama
0
No votes
Timmer
4
Devin the Omniscient (7), thellama73 (8), Long Con (13), Metalmarsh89 (14) 29%
Turnip Head
1
Black Rock (9) 7%
Gorilla Ghosts! (host, mod, nons)
3
Mister Rearranger (1), Roxy (3), MovingPictures07 (6)

Well, I'm going ahead and voting TH because I still think he is a baddie, no one seems interested in lynching timmer right now.

Also, RIP llama. It was expected, but still unfortunate.

Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

RIP llama!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well, I'm going ahead and voting TH because I still think he is a baddie, no one seems interested in lynching timmer right now.

Ahem! Sure.

I may end up voting TH if we can't get more Timmer votes today.

Sophie wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Too bad effigies doesn't fit there. That would be intense :o

SVS, I did not have that in my role PM. I'm very curious by yours, though.

Well, I'm sticking to my guns in trusting MM. I will likely vote Timmer again the next Day. I may even consider moving to TH. I think BR has a very interesting point there. I also think it's interesting that MM's mind control was entirely based around saying Timmer's name, and TH has been vouching for Timmer this whole time. Set up for civ cred? I wonder.

I tend to agree with what you say here, devin

(To avoid quoting myself I'll just quote Sophie). The more I think about it, TH does seem to be a logical vote for our Top search. So I'll go ahead and vote there for now.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

In the meantime, I still want to hear from timmer why he trusts TH so much.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you

Hi there SVS. I don't believe I've stated that I think that Turnip Head could be the Top, but if I have, then our agreement is clear mutual.

Question for you. You are voting for me because I would self-target as the Top right? What about all the other players that would self-target, and/or would potentially use the announced curse tactics?

I'd just like to say, so that the host knows I'm paying attention... ever since the storm that moved everyone, we've been living in an alternate reality where Professor Zoom is the hero. I hope this hasn't flipped the win conditions or something drastic like that. I mean, MP's point was sound from a creative point of view, what does it matter to any role if they are now cast as hero or villain? I'd imagine that the win conditions would flip as well, and we'd be in a perfect antimatter balance, and it wouldn't affect the actual game at all.

But what if it does affect the game somehow? Does anyone know how it happened, and can we go to that square (?) and reverse it?

Or is this just a fun storyline that MR is putting out there to intrigue us and keep things interesting?

This is definitely Flashpoint Paradox-esque.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you

Hi there SVS. I don't believe I've stated that I think that Turnip Head could be the Top, but if I have, then our agreement is clear mutual.

Question for you. You are voting for me because I would self-target as the Top right? What about all the other players that would self-target, and/or would potentially use the announced curse tactics?

You're missing my point; it isn't that you would self target or not. Its the way you reacted to suggestions as to how you could get around saying "Timmer" 20x per post.

While you were Timmered you seemed to be going out of your way to be as confusing as possible and were visibly annoyed that people were trying to find a way for you to post normally. It got my eye at the time but we were more or less on the same page, and I did not see the point of acting in a way you might interpret as antagonistic when I felt fairly good about you st that point.

I don't really see why The Top would get upset if people were trying to help him get around a self-curse. Perhaps a real supervillain would get frustrated at someone messing with his Grand Scheme due to egomaniacal issues, but there's no reason for it to cause The Top emotional distress in the game. The point is to be seen as targeted, what happens from there is "do what a Civvie would do" or probably more "do whatever it is I'd normally do".

My point is that he did not WANT to get around it, not what I think the Top would do, but what I think MM actually did.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

I agree with Devin, and a couple others.

But I will post a proper case when I get home tonight. I have been running on gutreads a lot this game, which I realize is not fair to others, and a bit selfish when it comes to lynching players.

That's odd, I was under the impression that Devin and a couple of others were agreeing with you

Hi there SVS. I don't believe I've stated that I think that Turnip Head could be the Top, but if I have, then our agreement is clear mutual.

Question for you. You are voting for me because I would self-target as the Top right? What about all the other players that would self-target, and/or would potentially use the announced curse tactics?

You're missing my point; it isn't that you would self target or not. Its the way you reacted to suggestions as to how you could get around saying "Timmer" 20x per post.

While you were Timmered you seemed to be going out of your way to be as confusing as possible and were visibly annoyed that people were trying to find a way for you to post normally. It got my eye at the time but we were more or less on the same page, and I did not see the point of acting in a way you might interpret as antagonistic when I felt fairly good about you st that point.

So if that got your eye at the time, but you still generally agreed with what I was saying, why are you now (as of Day 6 I guess) accusing me of being the Top and self-targeting, when there have been no new developments since then to change your opinion?

And what do you plan to do now? Do you plan on voting for me again? Do you think that will accomplish anything? Does timmer tying for a lynch twice and surviving both times not concern you at all? I do find it strange that MovingPictures07 took the lynch when timmer tied with him on Day 5, and nothing happened this time around, but I don't know what to say.

Another note, even if I was the Top, I would probably not be the only baddie left. But you don't seem interested in lynching anyone else. You won't even entertain the notion.



And nobody mentioned it before, but I think the night post shows more then has been brought to light so far. It appeared to me that Wally West tried to kill someone, but the kill backfired. That can only mean two things, and I am more inclined to believe one of them, that Wally West attempted to kill the Top, and the kill was reversed back at Wally. The other possibility is that a trap was laid on Wally's target, but the flavor in the post does not seem to indicate that.

Or Wally tried to kill Girder.