The Syndicate

If I die...kill EVERYONE cuz none of you deserve to win after letting me perish!

Day 2 - Last Night's Gus

Shawn poured himself a bowl of Fruit Loops and milk. Just as he started eating, the door opened and Gus came in the door, and as he came in Shawn could immediately tell something was different.

"What's up with you man?" he asked.

Gus shrugged with an air of feigned nonchalance, "Nothing."

"Nah, something is different. What happened?"

Gus gave the same gesture again and said, "Nothing." It was pretty clear he wanted to tell Shawn but was enjoying the moment.

Shawn gave him a quick once over and quickly observed something scribbled on the palm of Gus' hand as he reached up to brush the end of his nose with his thumb in a "cool guy" move he used.

"Dude, you got a girl!" Shawn exclaimed excitedly.

Gus grinned and replied, "Last night's Gus got game."

"Well that explains why you didn't answer your phone. Good for you buddy!"

"It was amazing Shawn, I said all the right things. She was like putty in my hands, she couldn't get enough."

"Alright man that's enough, I don't need to hear about your kinky Play-Doh fetish. We've got work to do anyway. Come on man, they want us down at the station about the MP murder."


No one has been killed by the Crooked Cops.

Matt has been arrested by Juliet O'Hara.

It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Good luck!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy is at work so I took care of everything this time. All PMs have been sent. If I overlooked you somehow or you have questions, let us both know, and one of us will get back to you ASAP. Thanks!

And I'm assuming Sig won yesterdays contest?

Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy is at work so I took care of everything this time. All PMs have been sent. If I overlooked you somehow or you have questions, let us both know, and one of us will get back to you ASAP. Thanks!

And I'm assuming Sig won yesterdays contest?

That is correct! Forgot to announce that as well, so thanks for asking.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy is at work so I took care of everything this time. All PMs have been sent. If I overlooked you somehow or you have questions, let us both know, and one of us will get back to you ASAP. Thanks!

I didn't get a PM.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also, I would be inclined to move on from sig. I don't think he's the Yin/Yang guy because I don't see that person throwing themselves out in the open and potentially revealing their role this early.

He didn't exactly throw himself in the open, moreso he was leading a lynch train and his actions lead to more votes. I think it's still likely.

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:For little to no reason, but I could see you not having anything to do with this. MAtt on the other hand is no doubt mafia for that last minute switching to attempt and save scotty.

It is silly to vote off scotty but you'll vote for me for switching away from scotty since I thought it was also not smart to vote for him. So instead you'll lynch, this makes no sense what so ever you're a baddie.


I feel confident about my chances to live. If I do die, make sure to lynch Matt and then Scotty.

If you think Matt was trying to save Scotty, wouldn't it make more sense to lynch Scotty first?

@Scotty, I was referring to how your rolecard comments sounded like an attempt at avoiding responsibility in the early going. But now that you've been around contributing, I'm feeling better about you.

Personally, I don't think it's optimal strategy for a baddie team to go for a D1 save. It's been known to happen from time to time, but it basically blows the team up as soon as any one of them get lynched. sig, you seem really confident about Dom, Epi, and Matt. And Scotty by extension. Any posts or behaviors beyond the votes that you could point out as reasons?

Of those, Matt is the only one I'm on right now, but I'm trying to keep an open mind about him. Our last interaction was mildly confrontational and my judgment may be skewed there.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well, Soneji replaced in for SVS and has not posted since then. So I am going to put a placeholder vote there for now. Please come play with us kthxbai.

Wait, why vote someone who replaced in and thus had less time to post, instead of voting for someone like Matt, who at the time of your post had given himself a deadline to come back and contribute and then missed it? This vote seems hyper-lazy to me.

I missed Matt. I was trying to look at people who hadn't posted much in the game to that point and/or hadn't been around in awhile. I was trying to leave for work and had to do it from memory, so that's probably how I missed Matt.

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

Sig, you think Mafia tried to kill you last night and you survived? What makes you think this?

sig wrote:Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

All I need to do to not appear "mafiaish" is post a lot? Damn. That's a revelation.

Lead the civilians sig. Show us your stuff.

Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

Quin wrote:Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

I'm of the latter two opinions.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

I'm of the latter two opinions.

Hi, me too. Let's be the bestest of friends.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

I'm of the latter two opinions.

Hi, me too. Let's be the bestest of friends.

sig wrote:Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

My laptop is still toast so I'm posting from work now that the bosses are gone home... Sig, can you flesh this out? If I'm understanding you, you are suggesting that the late surge against you in the lynch was baddie-led, and you say that Epig, Dom and Matt are the main focus for you. But if this was baddie-led, then doesn't that mean that Scotty should be your #1 priority? There are only 3 baddies... if they were scrambling, it was to save someone no?, so it has to be Scotty who was being saved?

I'm just confused as to why you are suggesting this thought process but including Dom, who didn't vote you, and NOT concentrating on Scotty. Am I misunderstanding?

I'm working off of this:

Scotty
4
SokothQultuq (7), insertnamehere (11), DFaraday (14), LoRab (15) 20%

sig
4
BigDamnHero (2), Elohcin (9), Epignosis (19), Matt (20) 20%


I'll catch furthur up as my workload allows.

timmer wrote:

sig wrote:Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

My laptop is still toast so I'm posting from work now that the bosses are gone home... Sig, can you flesh this out? If I'm understanding you, you are suggesting that the late surge against you in the lynch was baddie-led, and you say that Epig, Dom and Matt are the main focus for you. But if this was baddie-led, then doesn't that mean that Scotty should be your #1 priority? There are only 3 baddies... if they were scrambling, it was to save someone no?, so it has to be Scotty who was being saved?

I'm just confused as to why you are suggesting this thought process but including Dom, who didn't vote you, and NOT concentrating on Scotty. Am I misunderstanding?

I'm working off of this:

Scotty
4
SokothQultuq (7), insertnamehere (11), DFaraday (14), LoRab (15) 20%

sig
4
BigDamnHero (2), Elohcin (9), Epignosis (19), Matt (20) 20%


I'll catch furthur up as my workload allows.

This is what I did a poor job of trying to express earlier. Thanks, timmer. Also long time, no see! Good to be in a game with you.

So even though I think sig is good, I don't think we should blindly follow him or anything.

Meh. I had a whole post written with quotes and stuff, that I had been putting together througout the day when I had free moments, and entirely lost it. And now far too tired to rewrite it. So, tomorrow.

Also, a lot of it was my building suspicion of Matt, and he's not on the poll, so also meh to that.

Will recreate post tomorrow, regardless.

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Don't be absent, Sig.

Don't be a faker Dom I'm not absent.

I'm not I still am probably the top poster.

This attempt to lynch me is foolish and wrong and will not succeed I'm not dying day 1 again.

@Eloh Yeah I was looking for things day 0 I was ready to start the game and not have any more fluff, plus I wanted to get going so I did. I see nothing wrong with this, also what an obvious No U vote.

I'd also like to point out BigDamnHero is voting for me based off of pre game talk as in nobody had their role card talk. This is a perfect cover for a mafia member to do and if not a mafia member a very bad townie. don't be a ignoramus and don't be a dupe lynch someone other than me.
Don't be a person who is hoodwinked by Eloh.

It took you ages to get back to my question. I don't think you're low posting, but I wanted an answer bc I thought (resutl of lynch gives me pause) you were bad.

Your response, though, I think, was well analyzed by Rob.

Am I not allowed to have a life.

I'm very suspicious of Epi, Matt, and Dom right now. I suspect at least one if mafia, one is potential Ying/Yang, and the other is most likely a civ who I'm wrong about.

Sig, what's your point?
Throw three names out there and say you could be wrong about any of them?

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Don't be absent, Sig.

Don't be a faker Dom I'm not absent.

I'm not I still am probably the top poster.

This attempt to lynch me is foolish and wrong and will not succeed I'm not dying day 1 again.

@Eloh Yeah I was looking for things day 0 I was ready to start the game and not have any more fluff, plus I wanted to get going so I did. I see nothing wrong with this, also what an obvious No U vote.

I'd also like to point out BigDamnHero is voting for me based off of pre game talk as in nobody had their role card talk. This is a perfect cover for a mafia member to do and if not a mafia member a very bad townie. don't be a ignoramus and don't be a dupe lynch someone other than me.
Don't be a person who is hoodwinked by Eloh.

It took you ages to get back to my question. I don't think you're low posting, but I wanted an answer bc I thought (resutl of lynch gives me pause) you were bad.

Your response, though, I think, was well analyzed by Rob.

Am I not allowed to have a life.

I'm very suspicious of Epi, Matt, and Dom right now. I suspect at least one if mafia, one is potential Ying/Yang, and the other is most likely a civ who I'm wrong about.

Sig, what's your point?
Throw three names out there and say you could be wrong about any of them?

Do you think sig is bad?

BigDamnHero wrote:@HOSTS- What happens to confiscated items from people in jail? Does Buzz keep them for himself? Can he use them? Are they returned after a prisoner is released?

It says "most" used items are put in the safe...does that mean some items have a finite use? If so, will we be made aware if an item (identified or not) is no longer in play?

All item descriptions have their particular use instructions included in their description with the exception of one item which has no instructions whatsoever. Unless told otherwise an item is used at night and then once the person holding it has used it once, it will be returned to the safe. If the safe combination is cracked, the items will come out of the safe and return into play in Gus' possession. If Gus holds more than three items he will have to give away any excess items since no one can hold more than three items at a time. The items that are not used in this way will specify how and when they are used within their description given to the player who receives them.

Buzz confiscates any items held in the possession of a player who is arrested. They are his, to either use or gift as he sees fit. He may only hold three items though, so if he confiscates items and it pushes him over three he must immediately gift them to someone else.

I'm playing this game and will be able to pick up and actually read the thread Friday, in case anyone is asking me anything.... ?????

Russtifinko wrote:

timmer wrote:

sig wrote:Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

My laptop is still toast so I'm posting from work now that the bosses are gone home... Sig, can you flesh this out? If I'm understanding you, you are suggesting that the late surge against you in the lynch was baddie-led, and you say that Epig, Dom and Matt are the main focus for you. But if this was baddie-led, then doesn't that mean that Scotty should be your #1 priority? There are only 3 baddies... if they were scrambling, it was to save someone no?, so it has to be Scotty who was being saved?

I'm just confused as to why you are suggesting this thought process but including Dom, who didn't vote you, and NOT concentrating on Scotty. Am I misunderstanding?

I'm working off of this:

Scotty
4
SokothQultuq (7), insertnamehere (11), DFaraday (14), LoRab (15) 20%

sig
4
BigDamnHero (2), Elohcin (9), Epignosis (19), Matt (20) 20%


I'll catch furthur up as my workload allows.

This is what I did a poor job of trying to express earlier. Thanks, timmer. Also long time, no see! Good to be in a game with you.

So even though I think sig is good, I don't think we should blindly follow him or anything.

Oh I agree with this following me blindly will most likely end not so well, however there is a certain level of followness I think would be okay. :P


To answer Timmer and clear it up, I'm not connecting Epi and Matt/Scotty at all. I think Matt/Scotty could be mafia and Epi/Dom could be Ying or Yang.

I suspect Matt for his last minute actions last phase and obvious save attempt for scotty and trying to get me lynched in a very underhanded way.
I suspect Dom based 100% on gut he is just pinging me like crazy for some reason, but I have no real reason to it. So I believe he should be watched.
Epi is doing his standard baddie behavior, he is lurking more, not leading the town as much, and being more condescending when accused. This is exactly like his behavior in Turf War when he was bad, compared to BSG in which I thought he was bad, but he wasn't. So this is a combination of meta and gut mainly.

I do believe if we're going to lynch one of these three we start with either Matt or Epi. Mainly since the longer baddie Epi is around the harder it is to lynch him.

Elohcin wrote:Sig, you think Mafia tried to kill you last night and you survived? What makes you think this?

I couldn't say one way or the other, but I'm fairly confident the mafia did target me since I had named some of their members

Or the mafia believes that I'm Shawn and they killed me so Ying and Yang could kill more people.
Either way I believe someone who I called out and said should be lynched at night was mafia.

Quin wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also, I would be inclined to move on from sig. I don't think he's the Yin/Yang guy because I don't see that person throwing themselves out in the open and potentially revealing their role this early.

He didn't exactly throw himself in the open, moreso he was leading a lynch train and his actions lead to more votes. I think it's still likely.

I kinda did though, if you compare me getting lynched in this game to others you'll see how laid back I was. I was also willing to switch my vote away from Scotty thus lowering the gap between me and him which put me in danger of being lynched. So I didn't fight the lynch. You want to see examples of me fighting lynches look at many of my past games.

Quin wrote:Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

Why are you putting a target on my back?
Why would I just talk outta my butt?

Once again note Epi's game play and how he is acting I see a very noticeable difference from his Civ self.

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Don't be absent, Sig.

Don't be a faker Dom I'm not absent.

I'm not I still am probably the top poster.

This attempt to lynch me is foolish and wrong and will not succeed I'm not dying day 1 again.

@Eloh Yeah I was looking for things day 0 I was ready to start the game and not have any more fluff, plus I wanted to get going so I did. I see nothing wrong with this, also what an obvious No U vote.

I'd also like to point out BigDamnHero is voting for me based off of pre game talk as in nobody had their role card talk. This is a perfect cover for a mafia member to do and if not a mafia member a very bad townie. don't be a ignoramus and don't be a dupe lynch someone other than me.
Don't be a person who is hoodwinked by Eloh.

It took you ages to get back to my question. I don't think you're low posting, but I wanted an answer bc I thought (resutl of lynch gives me pause) you were bad.

Your response, though, I think, was well analyzed by Rob.

Am I not allowed to have a life.

I'm very suspicious of Epi, Matt, and Dom right now. I suspect at least one if mafia, one is potential Ying/Yang, and the other is most likely a civ who I'm wrong about.

Sig, what's your point?
Throw three names out there and say you could be wrong about any of them?

I doubt I got 3/3 right, and I'm willing to admit my gut and theories have been wrong in the past. So I see nothing wrong with what I'm saying why are you attempting to weaken my credentials instead of adding your thoughts on any players?

Russtifinko wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:For little to no reason, but I could see you not having anything to do with this. MAtt on the other hand is no doubt mafia for that last minute switching to attempt and save scotty.

It is silly to vote off scotty but you'll vote for me for switching away from scotty since I thought it was also not smart to vote for him. So instead you'll lynch, this makes no sense what so ever you're a baddie.


I feel confident about my chances to live. If I do die, make sure to lynch Matt and then Scotty.

If you think Matt was trying to save Scotty, wouldn't it make more sense to lynch Scotty first?

@Scotty, I was referring to how your rolecard comments sounded like an attempt at avoiding responsibility in the early going. But now that you've been around contributing, I'm feeling better about you.

Personally, I don't think it's optimal strategy for a baddie team to go for a D1 save. It's been known to happen from time to time, but it basically blows the team up as soon as any one of them get lynched. sig, you seem really confident about Dom, Epi, and Matt. And Scotty by extension. Any posts or behaviors beyond the votes that you could point out as reasons?

Of those, Matt is the only one I'm on right now, but I'm trying to keep an open mind about him. Our last interaction was mildly confrontational and my judgment may be skewed there.

See I disagree, with only three mafia members loosing a teammate (especially if they have a good abilty) day 1 is horrible. It usually gives the civs momentum and is a massive hit for the mafia team. Not to mention day 1 lynches very rarely go to be day 2 lynches so saving your mafia member day 1 serves dual purposes. Plus you can always wriggle out of suspicion I did in the Scrimmage when I defended my mafia member from being lynched.

So shouldn't we lynch Scotty, then? I still don't get why you list a group of players, some of whom may have been pulling a baddie save, but you don't concentrate on the guy who was allegedly saved. Why only lis Scotty as an "and Scotty" at the end. I've always questioned the logic of going after players for saving a baddie when you haven't proven the person who wad saved was indeed bad.

On my phone will post as I can

timmer wrote:So shouldn't we lynch Scotty, then? I still don't get why you list a group of players, some of whom may have been pulling a baddie save, but you don't concentrate on the guy who was allegedly saved. Why only lis Scotty as an "and Scotty" at the end. I've always questioned the logic of going after players for saving a baddie when you haven't proven the person who wad saved was indeed bad.

On my phone will post as I can

No, timmer. We should not do that thing you mentioned.

I would like to vote Dom, Epi or the Klingon today.

Voting for Sokoth now. Could change, who knows if I'll have time to get back on to make a case or change it. If Epi or Dom get votes, I'll see if I can jump on that too.

Oh? Wilgy already voted Dom.

Voting Dom

I'm not really agreeing with anything that sig has put out there so far. I just don't see it. And I hate it, but I really don't have anything to put out there myself. I am just having a hard time reading anyone this game. I know the thread has been pretty quiet so far, so maybe that's it.

So THIS has me

[quote="

Scotty wrote:

timmer wrote:So shouldn't we lynch Scotty, then? I still don't get why you list a group of players, some of whom may have been pulling a baddie save, but you don't concentrate on the guy who was allegedly saved. Why only lis Scotty as an "and Scotty" at the end. I've always questioned the logic of going after players for saving a baddie when you haven't proven the person who wad saved was indeed bad.

On my phone will post as I can

No, timmer. We should not do that thing you mentioned.

I would like to vote Dom, Epi or the Klingon today.

Voting for Sokoth now. Could change, who knows if I'll have time to get back on to make a case or change it. If Epi or Dom get votes, I'll see if I can jump on that too.

Scotty"]Oh? Wilgy already voted Dom.

Voting Dom[/quote]

First Scotty lists 3 people he thinks should be voted for then in the next sentence says he voting for a 4th...

THEN...in the VERY NEXT POST...already changes his vote presumably because someone else voted for one of the names he first mentioned...

Now I may have been out of mafia for a while, and apparently changing votes is allowed/the norm...but even so, Scotty has just buried the needle on the suspish-o-meter

sig wrote:Epi is doing his standard baddie behavior, he is lurking more, not leading the town as much, and being more condescending when accused. This is exactly like his behavior in Turf War when he was bad, compared to BSG in which I thought he was bad, but he wasn't. So this is a combination of meta and gut mainly.

It kills me when people think they've got me figured out on the basis of two or three games. "Epi isn't posting a lot, so he's bad!" You can keep on with that, and guess what? You'd be right...some of the time.

I'm feeling generous, sig, so I'm going to do something I don't normally do. I'm going to tell you about what you usually do when you're good. You come out hard against people who vote for you, make wild suggestions about their alignments, and make yourself to be the center of the mafia universe.

Don't believe me? Watch:

sig wrote:I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched.

You come out hard against people who vote for you...

sig wrote:One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang.

...make wild suggestions about their alignments...

sig wrote:Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

...and make yourself out to be the center of the mafia universe.

We haven't gotten here yet, but when you're shown to be wrong about someone who voted for you, you'll double down on the others. I'm not Miss Cleo, but that's what will happen. That's what civilian sig does. That's what you're doing now. That, coupled with the obvious business (that, ironically, you got mad at Quin for calling attention to even though you already think mafia tried to kill you), makes me 97% sure of your role, and that you should be heard and not dismissed. Unfortunately, you will be dismissed because of what I've outlined above. What I'm hoping from you is that you'll consider all the angles and whether they make sense with the evidence.

Like me, for instance. You have called me mafia, and you believe mafia tried to kill you. Very well. If I am with the Crooked Cops, it means I tried to kill you even though I know it's the most ill-advised kill choice possible. If I am Yin or Yang, then what was I doing with my vote? Saving Scotty? If so, then that means Scotty is Yin and I am Yang, which further means I...can't be lynched. Yet you are calling for my lynch today.

sig, you've been given what you asked for. All I'm asking is that you think through your suspects and consider what possible motivations they have.

And...

sig wrote:I do believe if we're going to lynch one of these three we start with either Matt or Epi. Mainly since the longer baddie Epi is around the harder it is to lynch him.

...how in the hell am I harder to lynch the longer I am around?

Regarding the kill, I don't think the mafia tried to take out sig. As I said, that's ill-advised.

Instead...

Spacedaisy wrote:

Crooked Cops (3)

One of them may kill every night. They learn the role of their victims.

Jerry Carp – May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Lou Gamble - May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Jack Atwater – May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Note the wording. "May" kill. Mother may I? No you may not. Perhaps none of these three goons satisfied whatever condition enabled them to kill. Hence no kill.

Alternatively...

Spacedaisy wrote:

Yin and Yang (2)

Collectively they may kill every day. They learn the role of their victims.

May select a victim every day. That victim will die at the end of the following day, 72 hours later, unless Shawn can solve the series of riddles and clues that they leave for him.

Mr. Yin – Survives all night kill attempts.

Mr. Yang – Survives all lynch attempts.

One of those goons tried to pop Mr. Yin. If that's the case, then they are going to have to lead Mr. Yin to the noose, but they aren't going to want to be obvious about it. Something to keep an eye out for.

BigDamnHero wrote:So THIS has me

[quote="

Scotty wrote:

timmer wrote:So shouldn't we lynch Scotty, then? I still don't get why you list a group of players, some of whom may have been pulling a baddie save, but you don't concentrate on the guy who was allegedly saved. Why only lis Scotty as an "and Scotty" at the end. I've always questioned the logic of going after players for saving a baddie when you haven't proven the person who wad saved was indeed bad.

On my phone will post as I can

No, timmer. We should not do that thing you mentioned.

I would like to vote Dom, Epi or the Klingon today.

Voting for Sokoth now. Could change, who knows if I'll have time to get back on to make a case or change it. If Epi or Dom get votes, I'll see if I can jump on that too.

Scotty"]Oh? Wilgy already voted Dom.

Voting Dom

First Scotty lists 3 people he thinks should be voted for then in the next sentence says he voting for a 4th...

THEN...in the VERY NEXT POST...already changes his vote presumably because someone else voted for one of the names he first mentioned...

Now I may have been out of mafia for a while, and apparently changing votes is allowed/the norm...but even so, Scotty has just buried the needle on the suspish-o-meter[/quote]
K.

Who else do you think is suspicious, Big Hero 6? Instead of me?

Epignosis wrote:Regarding the kill, I don't think the mafia tried to take out sig. As I said, that's ill-advised.

Instead...

Spacedaisy wrote:

Crooked Cops (3)

One of them may kill every night. They learn the role of their victims.

Jerry Carp – May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Lou Gamble - May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Jack Atwater – May only use the kill if (Secrets)

Note the wording. "May" kill. Mother may I? No you may not. Perhaps none of these three goons satisfied whatever condition enabled them to kill. Hence no kill.

Alternatively...

Spacedaisy wrote:

Yin and Yang (2)

Collectively they may kill every day. They learn the role of their victims.

May select a victim every day. That victim will die at the end of the following day, 72 hours later, unless Shawn can solve the series of riddles and clues that they leave for him.

Mr. Yin – Survives all night kill attempts.

Mr. Yang – Survives all lynch attempts.

One of those goons tried to pop Mr. Yin. If that's the case, then they are going to have to lead Mr. Yin to the noose, but they aren't going to want to be obvious about it. Something to keep an eye out for.

This post is a placeholder post that gives nothing not already said. It's like hot tea on the porch in 100 degrees. Not useful.

Neither of those has been said.

@Scotty: Sig's behavior has me concerned, but he's not lynch able today...possibly ever...

Quinn's post potentially outing our civ leader has me scratching my head...

I get mostly positive vibes from Epi...

Rabbit has seemed quiet for an experienced Mafia-er...

Going over the roles, I don't see any curse powers, so methinks Scotty maybe used an item...

I, for one, found Epi's posts enlightening even though I had recently re-read the roles just this morning.

I'm surprised by the reaction I got from Scotty there.

He called my second post a "placeholder" post. A placeholder for what? I'm not going back and editing it. He made that comment, but didn't comment on anything I had said to sig, which was a far more substantive post.

I'm surprised because I expected Scotty to think through the implications of my second post and get a little more excited. If my first theory is correct, for example, and the Corrupt Cops have to accomplish something in order to use the kill, then a failed kill most likely means none of them accomplished this, and I would not expect whatever they had to do to be a Sisyphean task. What conclusion may be drawn from that? It should have gotten Scotty all a-tingle. Instead he pissed in my tea.

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:Epi is doing his standard baddie behavior, he is lurking more, not leading the town as much, and being more condescending when accused. This is exactly like his behavior in Turf War when he was bad, compared to BSG in which I thought he was bad, but he wasn't. So this is a combination of meta and gut mainly.

It kills me when people think they've got me figured out on the basis of two or three games. "Epi isn't posting a lot, so he's bad!" You can keep on with that, and guess what? You'd be right...some of the time.

I'm feeling generous, sig, so I'm going to do something I don't normally do. I'm going to tell you about what you usually do when you're good. You come out hard against people who vote for you, make wild suggestions about their alignments, and make yourself to be the center of the mafia universe.

Don't believe me? Watch:

sig wrote:I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched.

You come out hard against people who vote for you...

sig wrote:One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang.

...make wild suggestions about their alignments...

sig wrote:Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

...and make yourself out to be the center of the mafia universe.

We haven't gotten here yet, but when you're shown to be wrong about someone who voted for you, you'll double down on the others. I'm not Miss Cleo, but that's what will happen. That's what civilian sig does. That's what you're doing now. That, coupled with the obvious business (that, ironically, you got mad at Quin for calling attention to even though you already think mafia tried to kill you), makes me 97% sure of your role, and that you should be heard and not dismissed. Unfortunately, you will be dismissed because of what I've outlined above. What I'm hoping from you is that you'll consider all the angles and whether they make sense with the evidence.

Like me, for instance. You have called me mafia, and you believe mafia tried to kill you. Very well. If I am with the Crooked Cops, it means I tried to kill you even though I know it's the most ill-advised kill choice possible. If I am Yin or Yang, then what was I doing with my vote? Saving Scotty? If so, then that means Scotty is Yin and I am Yang, which further means I...can't be lynched. Yet you are calling for my lynch today.

sig, you've been given what you asked for. All I'm asking is that you think through your suspects and consider what possible motivations they have.

And...

sig wrote:I do believe if we're going to lynch one of these three we start with either Matt or Epi. Mainly since the longer baddie Epi is around the harder it is to lynch him.

...how in the hell am I harder to lynch the longer I am around?

Well in hindsight you're right that is my civ behavior, but I don't think I make the center of the universe to be about me, I also don't think all my wild theories are always so well wild and some are correct. I do recognize that this current theory is most likely wrong, and you are probably not bad 60/40 right now.

What do you think of Dom?

You are one of those players who gets increasingly harder to lynch the longer you stay in the game, as a baddie.


linki: Have fun!

timmer wrote:So shouldn't we lynch Scotty, then? I still don't get why you list a group of players, some of whom may have been pulling a baddie save, but you don't concentrate on the guy who was allegedly saved. Why only lis Scotty as an "and Scotty" at the end. I've always questioned the logic of going after players for saving a baddie when you haven't proven the person who wad saved was indeed bad.

On my phone will post as I can

In part since Matt voted for me, which makes me more likely to think he is a baddie. However, he is arrested today so I wouldn't advocate for his lynch, even if we could lynch him.

Also Epi I doubt I'm the role you think I am.

sig wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

timmer wrote:

sig wrote:Well I'm not surprised I believe the mafia attempted to kill me last night and they failed.


I think, no I'm becoming increasingly confident Epi, Dom, and Matt need to be lynched. One or two are mafia and the other is Ying/Yang. Now this was a mafia kill and I believe it was directed at me since I'm being active and was right about one or multiple mafia members.

Now this is a day 2 read, so I might be wrong, but Epi seems very mafiaish this game not posting much at all and being very under the radar, this is different then his BattleStar gameplay and more like his Turf War gameplay, I hate what Matt did at the end of the last phase this is very very pingy. Dom is a little bit different I just have a really bad gut feeling on him.

also yay I'm off the poll have fun trying to get rid of me again.

linki: Of course.

My laptop is still toast so I'm posting from work now that the bosses are gone home... Sig, can you flesh this out? If I'm understanding you, you are suggesting that the late surge against you in the lynch was baddie-led, and you say that Epig, Dom and Matt are the main focus for you. But if this was baddie-led, then doesn't that mean that Scotty should be your #1 priority? There are only 3 baddies... if they were scrambling, it was to save someone no?, so it has to be Scotty who was being saved?

I'm just confused as to why you are suggesting this thought process but including Dom, who didn't vote you, and NOT concentrating on Scotty. Am I misunderstanding?

I'm working off of this:

Scotty
4
SokothQultuq (7), insertnamehere (11), DFaraday (14), LoRab (15) 20%

sig
4
BigDamnHero (2), Elohcin (9), Epignosis (19), Matt (20) 20%


I'll catch furthur up as my workload allows.

This is what I did a poor job of trying to express earlier. Thanks, timmer. Also long time, no see! Good to be in a game with you.

So even though I think sig is good, I don't think we should blindly follow him or anything.

Oh I agree with this following me blindly will most likely end not so well, however there is a certain level of followness I think would be okay. :P


To answer Timmer and clear it up, I'm not connecting Epi and Matt/Scotty at all. I think Matt/Scotty could be mafia and Epi/Dom could be Ying or Yang.

I suspect Matt for his last minute actions last phase and obvious save attempt for scotty and trying to get me lynched in a very underhanded way.
I suspect Dom based 100% on gut he is just pinging me like crazy for some reason, but I have no real reason to it. So I believe he should be watched.
Epi is doing his standard baddie behavior, he is lurking more, not leading the town as much, and being more condescending when accused. This is exactly like his behavior in Turf War when he was bad, compared to BSG in which I thought he was bad, but he wasn't. So this is a combination of meta and gut mainly.

I do believe if we're going to lynch one of these three we start with either Matt or Epi. Mainly since the longer baddie Epi is around the harder it is to lynch him.

Elohcin wrote:Sig, you think Mafia tried to kill you last night and you survived? What makes you think this?

I couldn't say one way or the other, but I'm fairly confident the mafia did target me since I had named some of their members

Or the mafia believes that I'm Shawn and they killed me so Ying and Yang could kill more people.
Either way I believe someone who I called out and said should be lynched at night was mafia.

Quin wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also, I would be inclined to move on from sig. I don't think he's the Yin/Yang guy because I don't see that person throwing themselves out in the open and potentially revealing their role this early.

He didn't exactly throw himself in the open, moreso he was leading a lynch train and his actions lead to more votes. I think it's still likely.

I kinda did though, if you compare me getting lynched in this game to others you'll see how laid back I was. I was also willing to switch my vote away from Scotty thus lowering the gap between me and him which put me in danger of being lynched. So I didn't fight the lynch. You want to see examples of me fighting lynches look at many of my past games.

Quin wrote:Either sig had a bulletproof vest, is Shawn or he's talking out of his butt

Why are you putting a target on my back?
Why would I just talk outta my butt?

Once again note Epi's game play and how he is acting I see a very noticeable difference from his Civ self.

Because I think you're Yang.

BigDamnHero wrote:@Scotty: Sig's behavior has me concerned, but he's not lynch able today...possibly ever...

Quinn's post potentially outing our civ leader has me scratching my head...

I get mostly positive vibes from Epi...

Rabbit has seemed quiet for an experienced Mafia-er...

Firstly, If sig is Shawn then he practically outted himself when he drew attention to the fact that the cops were supposed to kill him last night. I'm just the one who put it into words. Secondly, as I've said; I don't believe that he is Shawn. I think he is Yang.

You were particularly quick to establish him as our 'civ leader'. I don't even know what that means. But more to the point, why do you trust him so much?

Quin wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:@Scotty: Sig's behavior has me concerned, but he's not lynch able today...possibly ever...

Quinn's post potentially outing our civ leader has me scratching my head...

I get mostly positive vibes from Epi...

Rabbit has seemed quiet for an experienced Mafia-er...

Firstly, If sig is Shawn then he practically outted himself when he drew attention to the fact that the cops were supposed to kill him last night. I'm just the one who put it into words. Secondly, as I've said; I don't believe that he is Shawn. I think he is Yang.

You were particularly quick to establish him as our 'civ leader'. I don't even know what that means. But more to the point, why do you trust him so much?

I haven't established anybody as anything yet. And by "civ leader" I mean lead character of the theme the game is based upon. If I have even an inkling of a potential cavs role, I try not to.tip my hand so soon in case the mafia may not have connected the dots just yet.

As for.sig, I'm not sure where I stand with him other than wanting to keep an eye on him. It's only Day 2 and there are far too many variables to explain why he may not have been lynched...role secrets, items, pre-game prizes, etc...any ONE of which could explain away what happened and therefore taint our entire perception of who sig may-or-may-not be.

sig wrote:Well in hindsight you're right that is my civ behavior, but I don't think I make the center of the universe to be about me, I also don't think all my wild theories are always so well wild and some are correct. I do recognize that this current theory is most likely wrong, and you are probably not bad 60/40 right now.

What do you think of Dom?

You are one of those players who gets increasingly harder to lynch the longer you stay in the game, as a baddie.

Center of the mafia universe. I would have done better by adding the possessive to say "center of the mafia's universe."

I'll let you know what I think about Dom when he responds to me.

And I don't get harder to lynch the longer I stay as mafia anymore than any mafia does (i.e., numbers), so I don't get the observation.

sig wrote:
In part since Matt voted for me, which makes me more likely to think he is a baddie. However, he is arrested today so I wouldn't advocate for his lynch, even if we could lynch him.

But this just adds to my point. You say Matt voted for you, and you think he is bad, and previously you referred to it as a save (correct me if I'm wrong?). And correct, Matt is not able to be voted for.... so all the more reason to vote for Scotty then, isn't it?

Why say Matt is bad, but refuse to consider voting for the guy he was theoretically saving? Because with the shenanigans at lynch's end, I'm kind of in favour of looking Scotty's way, and I'm baffled that you aren't, with what you're saying.

If you don't actually think Scotty is bad or was being saved, what makes you think the last-minute voters are bad? Just because they voted for you? Like, this isn't a giant collective NO U... right?

Again, I'm going to look back through Scotty's posts, because I feel like that lynch points to a possible save.