The Syndicate

I do think it was odd that INH reacted rather strongly to Juliet, but this is pretty standard for him. Right now I'm not really suspicious of either, or anyone, for that matter, so I randomized and got FZ.

I see your point, TH, and it's a good one.

I also see your point about MP buddying up to me. I have been reading him as civ so far, and he often likes to bounce ideas off me because we think about Mafia in similar ways, but I have to admit that him claiming I have a good gut, when that is manifestly false, is a little pingy to me.

I was waiting until we hit the top of a new page to post this

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A Person
birdwithteeth11
Boogs
Bullzeye
Captain Bunny Killer
DFaraday
Disgruntled Porcupine
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Flyin' High
FZ.
Hedgeowl
insertnamehere
juliets
kneel4justice
Kylemii
Leamiteo
Lizzy
Metalmarsh89
Mongoose
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
reywaS
Spacedaisy
>Spaghetti Everywhere
Snow Dog
thellama73
Turnip Head
Vompatti

Turnip Head wrote:I was waiting until we hit the top of a new page to post this

Depends on your board settings.

As far as I'm concerned, my board settings are the only ones that matter Feel free to copy and paste that post to the top of one of your pages, but for me it's at the top of page 8 , which means I can bookmark it on my phone and not have to scroll a bunch :P

Turnip Head wrote:As far as I'm concerned, my board settings are the only ones that matter Feel free to copy and paste that post to the top of one of your pages, but for me it's at the top of page 8 , which means I can bookmark it on my phone and not have to scroll a bunch :P

I have the same settings as you, so no worries!

TH, you make some good points about MP, though it's llama's post that causes me the biggest ping. You're really not good with gut pings llama? Why in the world would MP say you were? Just as an excuse to vote Dom? I know you can't answer those questions llama they are really for MP to answer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, have to go now.

Vompatti, just randomize your vote (since I know you're hardcore and actually randomize it and you like to do so) between Dom and Daisy. I would include FZ. as well but she doesn't have a vote and I don't want to spread it any more than I just did.

I flipped a coin (20 Kopek, CCCP 1979) eight (8) times with the following results:

1. Dropped it (doesn't count).
2. Heads (Dom).
3. Tails (Daisy).
4. Dropped it.
5. Tails (Daisy).
6. Tails (Daisy).
7. Heads (Dom).
8. Tails (Daisy).

*votes Daisy*

juliets wrote:TH, you make some good points about MP, though it's llama's post that causes me the biggest ping. You're really not good with gut pings llama? Why in the world would MP say you were? Just as an excuse to vote Dom? I know you can't answer those questions llama they are really for MP to answer.

I get a few right. But I have more often been wrong. It doesn't stop me from trusting my gut though when there's nothing else to go on.

Leamiteo wrote: Have fun is the first and seventh rule!

And 11th!

And Turnip Head, thanks for posting the player quote links. Those will even be handy for me.

I agree with llama that a spread vote makes it easier for the baddies to manipulate the lynch in their favor, but I also agree with MP/TH as well. If we go llama's way and pile votes on someone like Dom, chances are he will turn out civ and then we are left with not much info to go on. Day 1 is usually all about guessing and disappointment unfortunately.

Lots of names have been thrown around but I have no gut pings as of yet, my gut pings are usually right. I'd like to be able to wait and see if I get any, but there is not much time and I need to go ahead and vote b/c I have RL stuff to do.

Randomizing DFaraday. That's right....I don't want to be accountable for my vote

Great to have you back SnowDog!

MP's suspicion of FZ feels made up to me, lol. I reread her 7 posts and I don't see a single trace of anything that could be construed as "insincere". MP pushed the notion a few times before settling on not finding her suspicious but continues to namedrop FZ even after that.

I think one thing baddie-MP likes to do is toss out a suspicion, then intentionally waffle on it a few times before settling on something else. It makes it look like he's actively baddie hunting when really he's running himself around in a circle.

I don't really suspect MP for saying Llama has a good gut. I tend to think MP makes those sorts of generalizations all the time. Perhaps MP has seen Llama's gut instincts pay off moreso than not. Although I am questioning his intentions behind stating it.

Spacedaisy, what do you make of the fact that MP ended up quickly turning around and voting for you?

i randomized and got juliets

so many new posts o_o lots of stuff happening but none of it do i feel strongly enough about to warrant directing my vote towards yet,

i'm going to a party soon and I won't be around to vote, meaning i need to vote now, i randomized *DFaraday*

Going with Flyin' High, because she and Spaghetti both have only one post in the game.

I feel like I'll repeat what many people have said, but here goes:

1) Spreading the vote sucks, but

2) I have no pings so far, so

3) I'm going to randomize right now because

4) OH GOD MY FAMILY HAS ARRIVED AT MY PLACE OF RESIDENCE and I must entertain them, meaning I clearly won't be back before the end of the vote.

Randomized and got BunnyKiller. I guess I'll be saving those poor, poor bunnies?

nijuukyugou wrote:I feel like I'll repeat what many people have said, but here goes:

1) Spreading the vote sucks, but

2) I have no pings so far, so

3) I'm going to randomize right now because

4) OH GOD MY FAMILY HAS ARRIVED AT MY PLACE OF RESIDENCE and I must entertain them, meaning I clearly won't be back before the end of the vote.

Randomized and got BunnyKiller. I guess I'll be saving those poor, poor bunnies?

Oops, that's CAPTAIN Bunny Killer. Not just a regular one.

Randomized Kyle.

I'm voting for MP. He's the only player I'm even remotely suspicious of so far.

Elohcin wrote:
Great to have you back SnowDog!

Thank you!

Feeling a bit overwhelmed though...trying to get back into mafia...in a huge game too...

I thought your case on MP was good TH. I'm torn between him and inh. I'm still going to hold off for a bit before I vote. So many random votes! I really didn't expect it for this lynch.

juliets wrote:I thought your case on MP was good TH. I'm torn between him and inh. I'm still going to hold off for a bit before I vote. So many random votes! I really didn't expect it for this lynch.

Seems it's going the spread vote way after all.

Here is where I am. i am likely to vote INH also. He is the only one who stands out for me at the moment. Either that or..........random!

Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Juliets, my concern about MP is that I haven't really seen his civvie game recently, he's been a baddie or independent. Maybe I'm latching onto the wrong things about him. But I didn't like how his opinion on FZ kept switching even though she made no new posts that would influence his thoughts. I also didn't like that he tried to pin his own idea of voting a non-poster onto Llama, that seemed strange.

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Turnip Head wrote:I also didn't like that he tried to pin his own idea of voting a non-poster onto Llama, that seemed strange.

To be fair, although I have eased off a little recently, when I first started playing Mafia I was relentless about going after non-participants. It's understandable that MP remembers me for that, even though I am a kinder, gentler llama these days. You just weren't around to see it at the time.

I agree the FZ thing is weird though.

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

Ah...your famous civ "instinct"!

Wow, this has got to be the most active day 1 I've seen here, in terms of real hunting. I like it!

MP definitely seems all over the place and even though he received a lot of suspicions, TH is the first one to have voted for him. Didn't Dom say he was voting for him? What happened to that vote? The thing I liked least was his sudden vote for Daisy. Where the hell did that come from, and what's up with his suspicions of me. Is he, or is he not?
Thing is, I started out thinking he was one of the people who I trusted the most, but recent events made my good feelings decrease. I tend to trust my gut feelings in the start of the game, so I really don't want to vote for him. I felt he was the one who was pushing the game forward the most.
The, there is Epi. I absolutely loved Epig's analysis of MP, and the funny thing is, before I left for the day I thought I was going to vote for Epi' because I've only played two games with him, one where he was a baddie and one a civvie, and the differences were remarkable, and I felt he was reminding me of that baddie game. But after what he's said in the last 24 hours, he's seeming a whole lot more civvie to me, but we'll see.

I don't think I can follow the INH vote, because it seems like a crappy reason to vote for someone, no offense. Over defensiveness, especially at this stage, is almost always a civvie behavior. Baddies try to keep their cool, and being over defensive so early in the game, is just going to get you in the exact place he seems to be in right now. So, I have to wonder if one of those talking about voting him is a baddie (Daisy, Julliets, and I don't remember who else).

Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

@linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

Ah...your famous civ "instinct"!

Which we've already established is not very good!

FZ. wrote: Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

Vompatti is always like that. He is really hard to read because he is always so zany.

FZ. wrote: @linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Dom's first post where he was like "Oh boy howdy, you folks sure like to talk, gee wilikers!" rang false to me, but I wasn't sure. I asked him to elaborate on his Day 1 process to see if I could get anything out of his answer. His answer seemed guarded and intentionally non-specific, and his reasons for his vote seemed flimsy. So, yeah, I don't trust him.

FZ. wrote:Wow, this has got to be the most active day 1 I've seen here, in terms of real hunting. I like it!

MP definitely seems all over the place and even though he received a lot of suspicions, TH is the first one to have voted for him. Didn't Dom say he was voting for him? What happened to that vote? The thing I liked least was his sudden vote for Daisy. Where the hell did that come from, and what's up with his suspicions of me. Is he, or is he not?
Thing is, I started out thinking he was one of the people who I trusted the most, but recent events made my good feelings decrease. I tend to trust my gut feelings in the start of the game, so I really don't want to vote for him. I felt he was the one who was pushing the game forward the most.
The, there is Epi. I absolutely loved Epig's analysis of MP, and the funny thing is, before I left for the day I thought I was going to vote for Epi' because I've only played two games with him, one where he was a baddie and one a civvie, and the differences were remarkable, and I felt he was reminding me of that baddie game. But after what he's said in the last 24 hours, he's seeming a whole lot more civvie to me, but we'll see.

I don't think I can follow the INH vote, because it seems like a crappy reason to vote for someone, no offense. Over defensiveness, especially at this stage, is almost always a civvie behavior. Baddies try to keep their cool, and being over defensive so early in the game, is just going to get you in the exact place he seems to be in right now. So, I have to wonder if one of those talking about voting him is a baddie (Daisy, Julliets, and I don't remember who else).

Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

@linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Me

I can understand your point though. If INH was bad he'd be crazy to make a post like that.....maybe. Unless he simply lost his temper even though he was bad. These arguments are always somewhat circular.

Have family comin, but voted for the top poster or highest? MP ftw! Also, stop spreading the vote ya'll!

Back later tonight.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

Vompatti is always like that. He is really hard to read because he is always so zany.

FZ. wrote: @linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Dom's first post where he was like "Oh boy howdy, you folks sure like to talk, gee wilikers!" rang false to me, but I wasn't sure. I asked him to elaborate on his Day 1 process to see if I could get anything out of his answer. His answer seemed guarded and intentionally non-specific, and his reasons for his vote seemed flimsy. So, yeah, I don't trust him.

I get that Vompatti is supposed to be zany. It's his MO, his card. But it just felt too much to me. In my first game here, I was really frustrated with how A person and him didn't bother posting anything that seemed remotely on topic (and then AP killed me cause I annoyed him, lol), but it felt like he just didn't bother. The way he just explained how he voted, seemed like trying too hard. He was being funny-check, zany- check, like he made sure everything he's supposed to be was there. I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, but it didn't come off as genuine to me, but rather as though he was trying to be what was expected.

As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?

I'm going to vote MP. I don't play much with inh so maybe I am reading too much into his defensiveness and it appears from what others say he's that way regardless of alignment. With MP, I didn't like the FZ. suspicion but I liked even less that he turned and voted SD, as someone said, out of nowhere. Plus he wanted to vote Dom it seemed just because llama did. It feels too early in the game to have that kind of trust, and llama said he's really not that good at judging character. There were other points TH made in addition to this and altogether it is leading me to vote MP.

Turnip Head wrote:Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?

Didn't really like that vote. And why say stop spreading the votes, when there were more people with one vote already, just like MP, and she just gave him his second one? It's like she's trying to push for his vote. Not sitting well with me.
Damn, now I need to decide where to place my vote

juliets wrote:I'm going to vote MP. I don't play much with inh so maybe I am reading too much into his defensiveness and it appears from what others say he's that way regardless of alignment. With MP, I didn't like the FZ. suspicion but I liked even less that he turned and voted SD, as someone said, out of nowhere. Plus he wanted to vote Dom it seemed just because llama did. It feels too early in the game to have that kind of trust, and llama said he's really not that good at judging character. There were other points TH made in addition to this and altogether it is leading me to vote MP.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, it was me. I'm troubled by what just happened with the hedge vote, though.
I guess this could be from a two team thing as well. Hmm

Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

I wonder where K4J is. Not like him to not be here so close to the lynch without voting

kneel4justice wrote:Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

Lol, talk about the devil....are you?

I am probably going to vote MP.

1. He made a post that could only serve disingenuous purposes at best.
2. Although he asked me (specifically) for my thoughts, he implied that my questioning of the purpose of one of his posts was irrelevant.
3. Under pressure from Leamiteo, he went on about how his Mafia style is to emulate his civilian style, something unnecessary and over-the-top, given the context.
4. I had not said much, but when I began to talk (at his prompting), he suggested that I was "building the groundwork" for votes against him.
5. After all that talking and making other people talk, he ends up voting for spacedaisy, and says she never explained to him how "unnecessarily strong posts make someone bad." Newsflash: Nothing short of a damning slip makes anyone bad on Day 1. But most people aren't voting for people because they think they are bad.

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Do you still think MP is a civvie?

Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

FZ. wrote:Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

What I meant was that most people are randomly voting (or at least pretending to) on Day 1.

I don't think of Vompatti.

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Do you still think MP is a civvie?

I don't know, but I think the points made against him by TH and Epi are pretty strong. If I hadn't already voted for Dom, I would consider a vote for MP. That being said, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. This is his first game in a while, and it sucks to get voted out on Day 1. Also, he is just fun to play with due to his extreme verbalizing.

FZ. wrote:Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

INH.

Well, I had to catch up and skim over a few of the later posts (and a few things I wanted to respond to, but I'm running out of time). It could just be my predisposition to suspect MP, but he just seems too opportunistic and all over the place and too Captain Obviousish. Then TH and Epi made good points. So that's the best I've got right now.

*votes MP