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Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:02 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?
Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?

Precedent was set in ddl's suspicion with dragomir that wouldve warranted the check, not Jack.

Breadcrumbs are important and there should be an honest effort to lay them so that your information and thinking isn't lost. The lack of this and DDL's "irony" as he called it makes his claim the equivalent of poo.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:05 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:58 pm JaggedJimmyJay. hey, voice of reason. What are you thinking? Do you intend to join massclaim or have you already done so?
I've just done so. The role actions have been expended anyway, and they're all irrelevant to alignment. What's holding you back, Doctor Q. Wilgy?

Figured I could use the time to try to gain more information.

With them being irrelevant to alignment, do you see value in the claims and what are you wanting to learn from them?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:07 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.
Unfortunate.

So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?

@MacDougall who did you target night 2?
There may be a ticket out of that hole and it's call the activity train. All aboard.

This doesn't answer my question tho

If Wallflower > Scummynummers has been the vote? Why?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:11 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. @DrWilgy how much have you read?

I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him

Day 0, half of day 1, DDL's iso up to day 3 and today.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:15 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:46 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:44 am Everyone give me your views on the entry of DrWilgy.
It looked like busywork

I just joined a game 5 days in. What do you expect?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:16 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:58 am @DrWilgy when you replace in and start asking lots of questions and then disappear Mac goes something something.

Dad noooooo. I have to sleep from time to time too.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:18 am**

I was asked last DP by JJJ if I'd rather lynch Jessie or Speedchuck. My answer is Speed.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:23 am**

I agree with the case on speed, that does make him look bad.

Has anyone viewd JJJ from a scum lens yet and if so, what were the results of that excersize?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:26 am**

I suppose I should out what has me hung up.

Why is JJJ still alive after Ultra's day 1 vote. That doesn't make sense.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:54 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:37 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

One could more easily argue that this post is indicative of you and DDL being scum together.

Ran through the ISO of Jack. I feel that this post above is important because it points out Ultra description of a defense of speed... Well, townies don't need defending and Ultra knew who did.

I think it's entirely possible that this came from a mindset of talking about a teammate to a teammate.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 9:54 am**

Hell yeah. 6 way tie.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:03 am**

So @DrWilgy what do you think about my case on Owner?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:04 am**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 10:03 am So @DrWilgy what do you think about my case on Owner?

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:23 am**

It feels empty to me.

I dont dislike your response to my question, but in the context that I am still not fully caught up on earlier events it's hard for me to fully understand. I intend to go through Owner's iso though and will read it from a perspective of your case.

In context of just today, I'm reading owner as a aggravated civ.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:40 am**

Though, owner really needs to answer my question.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:41 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 2:23 am Okay all that stuff makes speedchuck look bad

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:23 am I agree with the case on speed, that does make him look bad.

Has anyone viewd JJJ from a scum lens yet and if so, what were the results of that excersize?

I am straight shocked. This is the towniest D1 I've ever had.

I'll be around to address this day one stuff in the afternoon if you guys want to pull an actual accusation out of it. I have not yet seen one.

JJJ did the Ultra/Speed interactions and said I looked good for those alone. Owner did those SAME interactions and said I looked bad for those alone. I have no idea what you guys are seeing.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:46 am**

I look forward to it Speed <3

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 10:53 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 10:46 am I look forward to it Speed <3

If you could detail the accusations beyond "Speed had fluffy filler and did not immediately scumread Ultra from the get-go" then that would be helpful.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 11:50 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?
Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?
Precedent was set in ddl's suspicion with dragomir that wouldve warranted the check, not Jack.

Breadcrumbs are important and there should be an honest effort to lay them so that your information and thinking isn't lost. The lack of this and DDL's "irony" as he called it makes his claim the equivalent of poo.

This reads like hot bull crap to me. X suspected Y, so X must check Y is not a thing. Who treats a cop role that narrowly? You made this up.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 11:54 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:58 pm JaggedJimmyJay. hey, voice of reason. What are you thinking? Do you intend to join massclaim or have you already done so?
I've just done so. The role actions have been expended anyway, and they're all irrelevant to alignment. What's holding you back, Doctor Q. Wilgy?
Figured I could use the time to try to gain more information.

With them being irrelevant to alignment, do you see value in the claims and what are you wanting to learn from them?

It’s a why the hell not situation. Everyone is vanilla now, so folks might as well throw their shit out on the table. I have not personally learned much from them.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 11:56 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:26 am I suppose I should out what has me hung up.

Why is JJJ still alive after Ultra's day 1 vote. That doesn't make sense.

Tell me why Ultra voting for me means that I should be dead. What relationship exists between those two notions?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 11:59 am**

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], my hangup right now isn’t really with your treatment of Ultra but rather Ultra’s treatment of you. I realize that’s not something you can answer for. If you can provide an alternative explanation go for it. Just hunt though.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 12:11 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 11:59 am speedchuck, my hangup right now isn’t really with your treatment of Ultra but rather Ultra’s treatment of you. I realize that’s not something you can answer for. If you can provide an alternative explanation go for it. Just hunt though.

Yeah, I have no explanation for what Ultra acted like. His hypocrisy regarding you and others is one reason he got lynched, I think. It's the reason Nova went after him, anyway.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 12:16 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?
Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?
Precedent was set in ddl's suspicion with dragomir that wouldve warranted the check, not Jack.

Breadcrumbs are important and there should be an honest effort to lay them so that your information and thinking isn't lost. The lack of this and DDL's "irony" as he called it makes his claim the equivalent of poo.

Someone tell me this is a real opinion. ^

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 12:27 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?
Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?
Precedent was set in ddl's suspicion with dragomir that wouldve warranted the check, not Jack.

Breadcrumbs are important and there should be an honest effort to lay them so that your information and thinking isn't lost. The lack of this and DDL's "irony" as he called it makes his claim the equivalent of poo.
Someone tell me this is a real opinion. ^

Don't know why I'd waste a check on someone I feel like I could read.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 12:58 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?
Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?
Precedent was set in ddl's suspicion with dragomir that wouldve warranted the check, not Jack.

Breadcrumbs are important and there should be an honest effort to lay them so that your information and thinking isn't lost. The lack of this and DDL's "irony" as he called it makes his claim the equivalent of poo.
Someone tell me this is a real opinion. ^
Don't know why I'd waste a check on someone I feel like I could read.

I used to think like that.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 1:09 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:47 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:43 pmDragomir is anything but a deepwolf.
Based on? (Sorry if this question line is annoying, but please do humor me so I can understand.)

He has been the main subject of discussion since like Day 2.

He may be a wolf but he's not deep. I feel like we are settling on him eventually. And if we don't he's likely to be lynched in lylo or something.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 1:19 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:09 am Dragon D. Luffy, tell me about Mac.

Has felt legit all game, especially Day 2 when he was a royal annoyance.

Then he vanished which is meh but can be explained by real life, or just burnout from doing badly in this game. Then came back with a result. I think it's unlikely mafia would out me like that and was already not suspecting Mac so... put him on the civ pile.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 2:07 pm**

So what now?

Lux was killed over DDL, Jay, and Macdougall. Makes sense, I guess. Lux was as close to that Mac/DDL townfirm as you can get.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 2:59 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.
Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?

DrWilgy does not look authentic to me.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 2:59 pm**

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:03 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:37 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

One could more easily argue that this post is indicative of you and DDL being scum together.
Ran through the ISO of Jack. I feel that this post above is important because it points out Ultra description of a defense of speed... Well, townies don't need defending and Ultra knew who did.

I think it's entirely possible that this came from a mindset of talking about a teammate to a teammate.

Who exactly are you referring to here? What brings you to this conclusion?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:18 pm**

I find myself agreeing with Owner's casing, minus the part where she suspects me.

Will probably vote Speed or RDW.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:20 pm**

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 1:47 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.
To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.
Why would town want to trap? Or over my years of playing I saw more gambits or traps being playing from the scum alignment. I guess to me this could be interpreted as an agenda statement.

We do have a history of making cases on Day 0/1 with no purpose other than trying to make scum slip.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:21 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 2:23 am Okay all that stuff makes speedchuck look bad

[VOTE: Speed] aubergine

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:25 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:23 am I agree with the case on speed, that does make him look bad.

Has anyone viewd JJJ from a scum lens yet and if so, what were the results of that excersize?

Omg

Just read my ISO. My ISO itself is a Jay case at this point.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:29 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 2:07 pm So what now?

Lux was killed over DDL, Jay, and Macdougall. Makes sense, I guess. Lux was as close to that Mac/DDL townfirm as you can get.

Gee, I wonder why people are not killing Jay

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:30 pm**

I don't agree with Wilgy's point but I don't see a civ could not have it. I recall I've been called on the same thing in at least another game I was a cop.

Everyone has a theory on how cops should act, and people tend to be defensive of those for some reason.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 3:32 pm**

Heck in the last game I played I was giving a watcher (basically a cop) crap for not playing how I wanted. Saying it just so I'm not an hypocrite, but also giving an example.

It's the strongest role in the game so it gets more scrutiny from others.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 4:21 pm**

Wilgy is back.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 4:39 pm**

Mother's Day here in Aus so I won't be doing much on account of I am a slave

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:20 pm**

[mention]Dragomir[/mention], thoughts on DrWilgy, go

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:21 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:20 pm @Dragomir, thoughts on DrWilgy, go

He's aight.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:23 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 3:30 pm I don't agree with Wilgy's point but I don't see a civ could not have it. I recall I've been called on the same thing in at least another game I was a cop.

Everyone has a theory on how cops should act, and people tend to be defensive of those for some reason.

I wouldn't say it's something a civilian cannot say or believe. At this point in the game though I don't care much about discerning every possible angle. There's one I see that goes deeper too than just "DrWilgy is being fake" -- my immediate impression was that he was shading you for failing to check his teammate (Dragomir).

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:23 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:20 pm Dragomir, thoughts on DrWilgy, go
He's aight.

In what way? What do you like?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 3:30 pm I don't agree with Wilgy's point but I don't see a civ could not have it. I recall I've been called on the same thing in at least another game I was a cop.

Everyone has a theory on how cops should act, and people tend to be defensive of those for some reason.
I wouldn't say it's something a civilian cannot say or believe. At this point in the game though I don't care much about discerning every possible angle. There's one I see that goes deeper too than just "DrWilgy is being fake" -- my immediate impression was that he was shading you for failing to check his teammate (Dragomir).

I would think a mafia's plan regarding me at this point would be "kill now or kill later" not "how can I get people to lynch him".

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:34 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:30 pm I would think a mafia's plan regarding me at this point would be "kill now or kill later" not "how can I get people to lynch him".

How about a dude who just got here

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:37 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:34 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 5:30 pm I would think a mafia's plan regarding me at this point would be "kill now or kill later" not "how can I get people to lynch him".
How about a dude who just got here

Perhaps not. But then would scum waste time insisting on such a case without even knowing if it's possible? And besides after a whole day he would have been briefed already.

That said this is starting to turn into WIFOM. Perhaps scum Wilgy would want to look uninformed.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:39 pm**

The only post that really matters in this dynamic is the one that came first (when he first poked you for your check decision). I'll see how others feel and allow Wilgy himself to answer.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2019 5:40 pm**

I sorely overuse the word "dynamic". Y'all start thwacking my hand when you see it.

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