The Syndicate

like I'm expecting that I will have to push you cause pretty much no one in this game town read me lmao

I'm bored so may as well say some more now

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:24 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Because my plan was to last until tomorrow where I could check someone like Gav overnight who I was sure was town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:25 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:17 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Point taken, I would check someone who I'm confident about their alignment, who may or might not die, which would give me a clear check

Extrapolating from unclear data is more fun then turning yourself into a normal cop.

Also back with coffee now. Will be busy with work this morning but be around somewhat.

these posts being back to back is completely off, and outside this, I don't believe him that he thinks he's going to live to day 4 as a cop

ender frequently complains about being n1d, and to get 3 checks he not only had to be not killed n2 or n3, but also not role blocked either night, which with how small the actual numbers are getting just isn't a real thought at all

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:59 pm Pretty sure the team is just Tess/Alison/Gira.

why are you calling me a wolf after saying I was a PR yesterday

Confused at how u got to Tess, when they claimed first?
@Gavial

At what point does Gavial pushing on Alison, not feel like W/W
Andy defended Tess yesterday @Gavial

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 am Idk why I'm doing this.

I said I was going to take this game easy because of my migraines.

I'm fucking terrible at taking care of myself.

ender said something like "I knew he was a PR cause he wasn't immediately impacting the game"

but that's just like not true to what he's done this game at all

he did a lot day 1 and was playing very differently to his previous game where he said he was lying more low to try to not die n1 as a PR

this game day 1 and such he had a migraine through most of it but still contributed a lot, even apparently pushing himself to do more than he wanted

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:08 pm At what point does Gavial pushing on Alison, not feel like W/W
Andy defended Tess yesterday @Gavial

what does this post mean lol

Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

Honestly ender is already slightly in my shit list, for his push on me day 1, but I still plan on doing my due diligence

Like I'm not crazy u don't tend to assume the first claim is fake, in most cases? So like idk what the hell town!Arrow is doing here

But arrow is also an enigma, so I don't even know

anyways--if you want to know what lying low as a PR actually is it's pretty obviously my game

I wouldn't play like I have been as a wolf. I like wolfing and my most recent wolf game was one of my favorite games I played. I joined this game BECAUSE I wanted to play it specifically. I haven't played on the syndicate for a few months cause, uh, most player lists are pretty bad but I specifically wanted to play this game and that didn't show through at all (for a reason obviously)

here's the game if you care
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

I did next to nothing last day phase, which I realize, mostly cause there was a dome going on that didn't involve my checks at all and so I was pretty happy to just let it go on for the most part

I've softed a couple times--which like has been said was pointed out by gavial lol--and etc etc

like I hope I'm just obviously real here

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:17 pm Like I'm not crazy u don't tend to assume the first claim is fake, in most cases? So like idk what the hell town!Arrow is doing here

But arrow is also an enigma, so I don't even know

I mean, yeah, there's also the fact that enders claim came once he was basically guaranteed dead without it, considering wilgys claim, and it's basically the lowest information cop claim possible

@tessepia
For what it's worth I'm currently at you being real

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

Why would Gavial do that as w/w?

I can point out a game very recently when he hard-tunnelled like this as town.

He can also do it as wolf.

He doesn't do it to his partner D2 as wolf.

I really don't care if people believe me right now but Alison/Gavial is not w/w. If Gavial is wolf then Alison is town.

Honestly I don't think w!Gavial pushes Alison that hard if it's t/t either so I just don't see w!Gavial worlds here.

I want it clear, tomorrow/later whenever I'm proven town since we have a ML so it will always get to that stage:
Gavial is probably town. Gavial is never wolf with Alison.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:17 pm Like I'm not crazy u don't tend to assume the first claim is fake, in most cases? So like idk what the hell town!Arrow is doing here

But arrow is also an enigma, so I don't even know

He knows something of how I play.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?

I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:20 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

it could be, though, I still am town reading Alison but her comment earlier was pretty off, about how she planned to fall on the sword which... would put us into lylo

though generally I still don't think she plays how she did last day phase as a wolf The PoE isn't huge rn

Stuff like that tends to be NAI honestly, it's quite bad regardless
And yes I am still somewhat at Alison being natural here. But that will probably another days problem

I swear I just got ddos'd holy shit

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:24 pm I swear I just got ddos'd holy shit

Get better internet.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

Why would Gavial do that as w/w?

I can point out a game very recently when he hard-tunnelled like this as town.

He can also do it as wolf.

He doesn't do it to his partner D2 as wolf.

I really don't care if people believe me right now but Alison/Gavial is not w/w. If Gavial is wolf then Alison is town.

Honestly I don't think w!Gavial pushes Alison that hard if it's t/t either so I just don't see w!Gavial worlds here.

I want it clear, tomorrow/later whenever I'm proven town since we have a ML so it will always get to that stage:
Gavial is probably town. Gavial is never wolf with Alison.

I literally have seen him w/w tunnel before like that, in fallout mafia he spent days fighting with TSP and Alison and I both were laughing at how he was burning the thread down

I legitimately ignore most of his posts (as one should) so I can't say exactly what it is here, I'll iso him later, but it's not exactly not w/w

I actually have a strong read on one of Tess' partners.

But I'm going to wait until later because part of the read entirely depends on how they treat the first half of this day phase and I don't want to potentially colour that just yet.

Don't you all love how Tess actually cares about what reads I put into thread because she knows that town still has a ml and therefore my reads might matter.

My Alison team kinda hedged on wigly being a wolf, and that just went down the toilet

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:27 pm Don't you all love how Tess actually cares about what reads I put into thread because she knows that town still has a ml and therefore my reads might matter.

yeah that's why I care and not cause what you're saying is just wrong

but anyways, how much experience do you have with gavial

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:27 pm Don't you all love how Tess actually cares about what reads I put into thread because she knows that town still has a ml and therefore my reads might matter.

yeah that's why I care and not cause what you're saying is just wrong

but anyways, how much experience do you have with gavial

Between 5-10 games and a meta-dive of his wolf games.

If Tess was town:
Why does she care if a wolf is saying something "just wrong"?

People aren't going to re-read it and take it for truth.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:31 pm If Tess was town:
Why does she care if a wolf is saying something "just wrong"?

People aren't going to re-read it and take it for truth.

because this day phase still exists?

this is basically the equivalent of me saying "if ender was town he wouldn't care I did something he thinks is wolfy" or such and such

you're going to have to do better lol

No one's flipping outside me and you today.

My reads won't impact the game if I'm wolf beyond being spew/anti-spew.

at least half of my focus this day phase is making sure you're the one who dies at the end of it

or, is going to be--the rest will be finding your partners but I don't think that'll be too hard tbh

Let me be clear:
I do not care if Tess outs a read or meta I think is wrong.

Because at the end of the day she'll flip a wolf, even if I die first.

Therefore people should re-evaluate before using them to solve the game.

If they don't then it's not my fault. =P

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:33 pm No one's flipping outside me and you today.

My reads won't impact the game if I'm wolf beyond being spew/anti-spew.

you still need to get exed today

wisp says he town read me but there's still the fact basically, or actually every, player in the game wolf read me at least iirc last day phase

I'm only going to poke at her in-so-far as to point out perspective slips like just before. Anything more complex is someone else's job.

I'll be real-timing while at work but I'll poke through and try to do the rest of the team when home. I'll hopefully have my 24 hour secret read progress by then.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:34 pm Let me be clear:
I do not care if Tess outs a read or meta I think is wrong.

Because at the end of the day she'll flip a wolf, even if I die first.

Therefore people should re-evaluate before using them to solve the game.

If they don't then it's not my fault. =P

lmao

bruh

you're literally saying that you, fypov, would give a confirmed wolf free reign to say anything they want today

and for what? How does that make sense? Only because I later will die?

this isn't something you'd actually think

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:33 pm No one's flipping outside me and you today.

My reads won't impact the game if I'm wolf beyond being spew/anti-spew.

you still need to get exed today

wisp says he town read me but there's still the fact basically, or actually every, player in the game wolf read me at least iirc last day phase

Oh man, B1, telling people that I disagree with Ender's read and meta-take on Gavial certainly made people want to wolf read him!

Certainly did B2!

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:37 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:34 pm Let me be clear:
I do not care if Tess outs a read or meta I think is wrong.

Because at the end of the day she'll flip a wolf, even if I die first.

Therefore people should re-evaluate before using them to solve the game.

If they don't then it's not my fault. =P

lmao

bruh

you're literally saying that you, fypov, would give a confirmed wolf free reign to say anything they want today

and for what? How does that make sense? Only because I later will die?

this isn't something you'd actually think

Why not?

We have 1 ML.

If town actually flips me here, they then just flip you tomorrow.

Your reads matter nothing at all in the long term beyond spew analysis.

There are two things that matter:
Me vs You
Me finding your partners.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:39 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:33 pm No one's flipping outside me and you today.

My reads won't impact the game if I'm wolf beyond being spew/anti-spew.

you still need to get exed today

wisp says he town read me but there's still the fact basically, or actually every, player in the game wolf read me at least iirc last day phase

Oh man, B1, telling people that I disagree with Ender's read and meta-take on Gavial certainly made people want to wolf read him!

Certainly did B2!

maybe it won't make people wolf read to directly, but convincing people of my world view still is something that encompasses convincing people on things not related directly to you, and also involves simply giving my thoughts as I have them

this is obvious, and you're reaching to turn nothing into something

Like seriously:
Why would someone care about a confirmed wolf's read accuracy?

If I say "Gavial is lock town" and then flip red, is anyone gonna look back and say "Gavial is lock town" because of my meta? No, they'd only say that because they think I spewed him town.

At which point it's wifom.

sorry, convincing people on my world view still encompasses convincing people on things *related* to you

I want everyone to do an exercise:

You're in a game. In a CC battle.

Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".

You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.

Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?

I mean if this is your attempt.to discredit Tess after the shit storm of a read on me u gave day 1, then it's not doing much for me