[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[MacDougall]

Floyd, I can see you lurking. Get in here and let us poke and prod you until you scum slip.

[MacDougall]

What are everyones reads of the following players? whether gut reads or based on evidence/proper reasons (though state which it is based on)

JaggedJimmyJay
Rbzmncaeaei
Diiny
espers

All four are scum. Especially the second one.

[seaside]

Zebra was recently killed by mafia...

As for the others:

gut tells me tricksy mofo
probably good
No verdict

whay is your read on Zebra, seaside?

oh rbz was killed my bad

alright, what does everyone think of

jjj
diiny
espers

[seaside]

What are everyones reads of the following players? whether gut reads or based on evidence/proper reasons (though state which it is based on)

JaggedJimmyJay
Rbzmncaeaei
Diiny
espers

All four are scum. Especially the second one.

smart arse

now what are your proper reads

[seaside]

anyway, i reakon there is a strong chance one of those three are scum
i'm not saying those three are my most suspicious (or suspicious at all) but i think 1 of the 3 could be scum

[MacDougall]

Based on what? Dude why are you playing so weird? You are usually better than this.

Diiny early game was strange and since getting some suspicion thrown at him has dropped post count massively, which is a pretty good scum tell.

Will you join my MattF lynchparty? It's pretty fun. We have pie and punch.

[seaside]

i'm more of a sausage roll kinda fella

[Bullzeye]

Likely Scum
Bullzeye

Because Golden said so?

Golden does not formulate my opinions, the rainbow was my reaction to you based on reading the thread. The fact that you ended up where you did, mean I need to go through and do some analyzing of your content which, I will be doing shortly.

Well I noticed that the other two you named in the same category both had a brief explanation as to why they were there. I didn't. Which makes it look like you threw my name out quite arbitrarily. Given there's only one reason anyone is saying I'm bad, the easiest assumption to make is that you did it to gain the approval of a certain confirmed civ. Or maybe I'm just trying to discredit you.

You sound like bullzeye, but way more committed to your discredit plan. tillage Check it out, you'll keep my vote until end of tillage.

So does "discredit" mean "disagree with" in Goldenese? Because I haven't been trying to discredit you and have established this fact several times now.

Based on what? Dude why are you playing so weird? You are usually better than this.

Diiny early game was strange and since getting some suspicion thrown at him has dropped post count massively, which is a pretty good scum tell.

Will you join my MattF lynchparty? It's pretty fun. We have pie and punch.

Aside from his Sorsha vote, Matt probably isn't bad. Let's not throw any lynchparties just yet.

[MacDougall]

Lol probably not scum. Yeah ok scum teammate of MattF.

[seaside]

but for real mac
i'd like your opinion on jjj, diiny, espers
if you had to chose one to be scum, who would you think?

[MacDougall]

I answered that a few posts up.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

anyway, i reakon there is a strong chance one of those three are scum
i'm not saying those three are my most suspicious (or suspicious at all) but i think 1 of the 3 could be scum

Seaside, WHAT is this post?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Right now I am very torn on Devin and Sorsha. I think I like the evidence more for Devin and they've both been okay in self-defense. I'm leaning toward a Devin vote. I'm flying back to the UK today so it'll be a quiet phase for me.

[Elohcin]

Sorsha's play being scum is well documented, you only have to look at her recent posts to get a sense of posting nervously as scum playing poorly with a lynch on them tend to do.

On top of this, I have this gut feeling that won't go away. I think lynching Sorsha will give us good information on who her teammates might be as well. But again, I think Floyd if bad. Maybe I ought to look at the link between the two of them and make my decision on who I ought to vote for

Someone throw out another funny!

[RadicalFuzz]

Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

[Elohcin]

You've made my day! Keep 'em coming!

A pharmaceutical truck full of Viagra was stolen today. Police have asked the public to be on the lookout for a group of hardened criminals.

Oh, Elohcin, I don't think splints is bad. Your quote on that has me talkin' about Sorsha, not FS.



and my bad. Thanks for the clarification!

[Marmot]

Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

Do it boi! I voted for Jay as well.

I didn't miss the vote today, though I did unfortunately yesterday. Tbh, death is the only answer for me.

[Elohcin]

I'm actually unvoting sorsha and changing my vote to MattF. Something about him is not what it seems my friends. And I aim to get to the bottom of it.

I have been bad with Matt before and he was a little zaney. I don't see too much zaney here. But of course it has been a long time and people change. I have a hard time trusting anyone in Mafia so even though Matt is the only one making me laugh recently, I am always open to listening to suspicions. What is it that pings you about him?

Btw, If he is lynched I will need you to take his place in making me laugh.

[Elohcin]

Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned it so I will. I think Epi is silenced today. Either that or he just really is not caring about this game. I know he has a lot going on with other games and RL, but it isn;t like him not to care.

[Epignosis]

Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned it so I will. I think Epi is silenced today. Either that or he just really is not caring about this game. I know he has a lot going on with other games and RL, but it isn;t like him not to care.

I'm seven pages behind because I watched football instead of reading.

[Matt]

Wow this is a mindfuck. You're putting a seventh vote on sorsha instead of a second on me? What the fuck is that about?

How is that a mindfuck? I've voted Sorsha the last two days, and last night felt like doing the same. I have a mild ping on you based on LC's comments and want to know what others think of it, but right now, you are below the radar compared to Sorsha, Devin, and Floyd.

Linki - I have no idea if JJJ is civvie or scum, but if he is able to post the billions of posts he's posted this game, while also having the time to plan with a team, then kudos to him.

That's pretty weak townreading. Why wouldn't JJJ, of all people in fact, be able to cultivate his persona to seem like everything is in check and he's posting the way he always does?

How is it townreading? I said I didn't know if he was town or scum. Also, never played with JJJ, of all people in fact, so I was not aware he always posts this much, regardless of affiliation.

I'm actually unvoting sorsha and changing my vote to MattF. Something about him is not what it seems my friends. And I aim to get to the bottom of it.

Haha! "Something about him..." Wow way to be. I can't really defend against that, but if you have anything specific that I haven't responded to already, please let me know in the next two or three hours.

Nice job. Very creative. How am I responsible for two murders?

Lol probably not scum. Yeah ok scum teammate of MattF.

Reasons?

I'm actually unvoting sorsha and changing my vote to MattF. Something about him is not what it seems my friends. And I aim to get to the bottom of it.

I have been bad with Matt before and he was a little zaney. I don't see too much zaney here. But of course it has been a long time and people change. I have a hard time trusting anyone in Mafia so even though Matt is the only one making me laugh recently, I am always open to listening to suspicions. What is it that pings you about him?

Btw, If he is lynched I will need you to take his place in making me laugh.

I don't think I ping him at all. He didn't want Sorsha lynched yesterday, today comes out balls to the wall against Sorsha, voting her first and everything, and then sees my fun behavior and decides it might be worth it to try and come after me instead, I guess?

I think it's very curious how he came out so strong against Sorsha today, but suddenly flips a switch 24 hours before deadline.

MacD - Again, I can't defend against shit like "Something isn't right there, my friends" or whatever. Be specific.

[Black Rock]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

I decided to link to this post instead of quoting it since it's so damn long. I think a lot of thought has gone into this post. Two people that stand out to me is Epignosis and Russ.

I'm not used to Epi have a positive look at LC. He often thinks LC is bad and leaves him alone as neutral. With all the crap that was going on with LC I'm surprised he didn't jump on the lynch train himself. He has gone after him for less.

Russ didn't seem to want to make up his mind. Now I would have to go back and read Russ to make up my mind on him as well but if I recall his was a last minute vote changer as well.

After reading this particular post I have no suspicion of Sorsha. Sorsha and LC have been playing together for eons and they respect each other. LC has been really bad at reading her, she is a hard player to read. I believe that to be an honest assessment.

Sorsha
votes LC... for CEO spot (good leadership)
D1 implies she read something into LC's bait tactic, but later questions his choice for bea; finds his replies unrealistic
doesn't find LC to have backpedalled
===
> agreed with b24 on BWT's case, voted BWT

Just a copy and paste I didn't keep the fancy colouring.

This is not a new tactic LC has used and he often does try it as a civvie, not surprised she believed him. Hell I would have.

Anyways, I'm not voting for Sorsha today. I'd be surprised if she was bad.

[Black Rock]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Negative
Matt
finding his ping "phony" in joining sig's wording case

MacDougall
suspicious of motel room for bringing up Flowers tactics (although this seems like self-aware fake sussing, imo, since LC was Flowers)
voting MacDougall D2

Can the green part of this be explained more? Is this Macs suspicion or LC's?

[Matt]

Elohcin

[Matt]

"Shitloads of counts of making up false scum cases against townies..."

This is interesting. Last night you acted like I "slipped" because of my very strong civvie reads on Golden and Elohcin, yet in your little poster up there, you seem to be pretty sure that my cases have all been against townies.

Give me specifics, MacD. Which players do you consider townie, of the players I've had pings on? Just curious.

Golden - I have to leave in about three hours. You're insanified. How sure are you on MacDougall? I'm honestly thinking about pulling a NO U on this dude despite how it looks on me, but want your opinion first. I know it looks bad to say that, but this dude has been after me quite a bit 'sides the fact that I'm town, his switch up from Sorsha today has me perplexed, and I believe my theory on him and LC is one of my better theories.

On a scale of 1 to 10 of thinking MacD is scum, Golden...

1 =

2 =

3 =

4 =

5 =

6 =

7 =

8 =

9 =

10 =

If you answer with a 9 or 10 smiley, I'm switching.

[Ricochet]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Negative
Matt
finding his ping "phony" in joining sig's wording case

MacDougall
suspicious of motel room for bringing up Flowers tactics (although this seems like self-aware fake sussing, imo, since LC was Flowers)
voting MacDougall D2

Can the green part of this be explained more? Is this Macs suspicion or LC's?

Uhh pretty sure that's in LC's section, so it's LC's suspicion on MacDougall.

Basically both Mac and motel brought up some interpretations of what Flowers might have done with his D1 vote and then LC sussed them both for talking about it. I already pointed out this suspicion looks fake, since LC was of course Flowers himself. But it still counts as LC putting heat on Mac for this.

[Black Rock]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

Negative
Matt
finding his ping "phony" in joining sig's wording case

MacDougall
suspicious of motel room for bringing up Flowers tactics (although this seems like self-aware fake sussing, imo, since LC was Flowers)
voting MacDougall D2

Can the green part of this be explained more? Is this Macs suspicion or LC's?

Uhh pretty sure that's in LC's section, so it's LC's suspicion on MacDougall.

Basically both Mac and motel brought up some interpretations of what Flowers might have done with his D1 vote and then LC sussed them both for talking about it. I already pointed out this suspicion looks fake, since LC was of course Flowers himself. But it still counts as LC putting heat on Mac for this.

I was confused on where motel room fit in under Mac, that's all.

[Ricochet]

D'oh. Copypasta error there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

Can a man get a reason?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can't get it on my phone right now, but Mac had the single towniest indicator among all of my LC interaction analyses. It's about his conversation with LC about the Flowers role.

If you're to vote for Mac, please go get my analysis and tell me where you disagree. I think that would be an awful lynch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually I can get it.

Relationship between MacDougall and Long Con:

Spoiler: show

Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*

This post set off scumdar pretty bad. It reads tactical, mindful ... I don't like it. No other posts in Long Con's ISO trouble me. It just seems like a nervous first major action.

MacAttack right off the bat. Good look, not just because it's anti-LC but because this is the kind of thing that helped to force LC to pretend it was ruse.

Here we have MacDougall and LC literally discussing the Nothing but Flowers role in the thread.

Mac brought the role up, and LC couldn't resist the urge to comment. Do I think two mafia team mates were chatting the day away about one of their own roles publicly in the thread? I absolutely don't. Towniest look of any analysis I've done so far, congratulations Mac.

Spoiler: show

Two players I'm considering voting for so far:
Mac:
I don't like Mac going for seaside for the simple fact that he doesn't want him in the game. Seaside came in day one voicing suspicion of Mac so this just seems like a delayed no u/omgus. Long Con made a couple good points earlier about some things Mac said yesterday late in the lynch also. (If I wasn't on my phone I'd go back and get the quote) Mac was also on HBs rainbow list in yellow so I could see Mac trying to take him out before HB had more of a chance to look closer at him.
Straw:
Based on his posts from the night I believe he might also be trying to set seaside up for the HB kill.

Going to put my vote on Mac for the time being.

I don't want him in the game because he's either scum or because he's disruptive to the scum hunt. He's the best lynch candidate for the day. Explain to me how that's not valid?

His suspicion of me was nothing tbh. I barely even considered it at the time let alone now.

I don't think Long Con's points were good. Pretty sure you'll agree when you ACTUALLY READ THEM.

Also I have no idea what the fuck you mean by the last bit? Setting him up for the kill? He's going to get lynched, why would anyone bother doing that?

Lynching seaside is a no brainer at this point. Most votes, most people interracted with so it leaves the best crumbs. Most people seem to harbour some doubt about him.

What's your read of seaside?

Mac may have taken a long break, but he returned to Mafia in old form.

Spoiler: show

I'm used to an unchangeable vote mentality for the most part. I'll put a vote on Macdougal for the reasons I gave earlier.

LC responded to Mac's aggression with an OMGUS vote. It's possible that this was all a designed cooperative bus, but... I don't think it was.

~~~

Mac looks like a townie and y'all should do what he says.

[Matt]

"It's possible that this was all a designed cooperative bus..."

I think I agree with you on the most part, 3J. Did you see my quote of Devin where he quoted LC and MacD, the yellow part?

Your own quote up there says it's possible...

Anyway, still waiting on Golden. If he doesn't respond, I'll be keeping my vote on Sorsha today, and wondering why MacD didn't want her lynched yesterday, wanted her lynched today, then totally switched it up against me with clever posters that don't explain dick.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah, I hear you. I think that's a confirmed baddie dropping a huge WIFOM deuce on the thread and I'm not inclined to sniff.

[Ricochet]

What does everyone think about MM?

Then, what does everyone think about MM's "death wishes / death-deserving" posts? I'm seeing them in my revisit of Day 4 and they give me pause. MM's banter and evasive game can serve both his good or bad persona, but those posts suddenly make me think a bit back to how a civvie MM can usually tend to act hinty. Anyone seeing anything of this nature?

[RadicalFuzz]

Mac, if you're confident all three are bad vote J3 with me.

By the way J3 I'm voting for you.

Can a man get a reason?

My home site, Jesus Toast Mafia, is named after a term we coined "Jesus Toast." It's seeing Christ on rye, so to speak, some big conspiracy that ties everything up in a neat little bow when there's really nothing there.

That's what I'm seeing with you. You're holding to your Long Con analyses, which are good sources of information, but seem to be almost ignoring new, relevant information. You're quick to call people town, which on its own isn't a bad thing, but it's off-putting for some reason I can't put my finger on. You play the cooperative townie, not confrontational but prodding with just enough frequency to get responses.

I know there's no fair defense to what mostly amounts to a gut feeling, and I apologize for that.

[Bullzeye]

What does everyone think about MM?

Then, what does everyone think about MM's "death wishes / death-deserving" posts? I'm seeing them in my revisit of Day 4 and they give me pause. MM's banter and evasive game can serve both his good or bad persona, but those posts suddenly make me think a bit back to how a civvie MM can usually tend to act hinty. Anyone seeing anything of this nature?

Pretty sure he's not the only person to have made such posts. I think it's a punishment of some kind for inactivity. Are you suggesting you think he's hinting that we should lynch him or something?

[Matt]

Yeah, I hear you. I think that's a confirmed baddie dropping a huge WIFOM deuce on the thread and I'm not inclined to sniff.

I also asked MacDougall if he thought LC was doing what you are suggesting, and he said "Possible but not likely". Why do you suppose MacD doesn't think that's what LC was doing?

Ricochet - I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure MM was punished by the host for either missing a vote or missing Night PM. Other posters have also posted stuff like "You should lynch me" as a direct result of punishment from MP, so I'm seeing the same thing there.

Linki - Yeah what my scummate Bullz said.

[Ricochet]

Oh, so right now he's like a Lannister who's punished to walk butt naked through TH-ville, with MP walking behind dressed like a nun, telling him to recite the poem and shouting "Shame!"?

Ok lol.

Yes, Bullz, it gave me the impression of summoning people to lynch or kill him, for some fireworks - although I have no idea where to ballpark that, as of yet or what he'd achieve. As I've said, civ MM can start being subtle about it, especially if under heat. But this punishment also makes sense.

[Ricochet]

But wait, neither of you answered what you think about him.

[Bullzeye]

Oh, so right now he's like a Lannister who's punished to walk butt naked through TH-ville, with MP walking behind dressed like a nun, telling him to recite the poem and shouting "Shame!"?

Ok lol.

Yes, Bullz, it gave me the impression of summoning people to lynch or kill him, for some fireworks - although I have no idea where to ballpark that, as of yet or what he'd achieve. As I've said, civ MM can start being subtle about it, especially if under heat. But this punishment also makes sense.

MM is not crazy or evil enough to be a Lannister. I know that says a lot. I also don't think he'd be pushing people to kill him, he's definitely just being punished. I've never seen him deliberately try to get killed off as far as I remember.

[Ricochet]

Oh damn, I just noticed I posted my big read just a few posts short of the 3K mark. That would have been symbolic. Oh well.

[Golden]

Yeah, I hear you. I think that's a confirmed baddie dropping a huge WIFOM deuce on the thread and I'm not inclined to sniff.

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[Bullzeye]

As for what I think of MM, I basically don't at this point. I know he hasn't been around but I feel like I haven't seen anything from him at all and don't really have much of a read on him. That said, what I have seen so far doesn't make me think he's bad.

[Ricochet]

For all the green skittles I've handed him, I must say MacDougall's tactical lynch suggestion is worth a grimace even from me. Maybe it's a culture difference thing, but no, I'd never try to improvise a potential mislynch only to garner info from it rather than focusing on voting my top mafia lead. Besides, he speaks of comfort in doing this move at this stage, but I'm not so sure. Unless Memories Can't Wait was already offed by the mafia or the SK, a mafia lead would give us the best outcome: 0 civilian losses throughout an entire cycle (with the N being skipped). The opposite of this result is that, unless the mafia clips the SK or the SK is good/lucky at taking out mafia players, a mislynch would be followed by 2 more civilian victims, throughout a phase. Right now, I'm not saying the civ cause is either doing well or in a bad situation (so-so, I'd say), but again, unless Memories was toast during the Night, 0 civilian losses and 1 mafia burn is the maximum good result town can achieve, so it should naturally be the mentality to follow the most.

[Golden]

You sound like bullzeye, but way more committed to your discredit plan. tillage Check it out, you'll keep my vote until end of tillage.

So does "discredit" mean "disagree with" in Goldenese? Because I haven't been trying to discredit you and have established this fact several times now.

You say potato, tedge I say megascope.

[Ricochet]

Besides, I don't recall him writing whom he suspects for having boarded the Sorsha train on D3, in the scenario that Sorsha is town (which I get that he doesn't believe too much, but he still brings it up). Why prefer to analyse retroactively, in the case of a Sorsha mislynch, where the mafia went with that, rather than coming up with hunches on how the mafia might have already behaved on a near Sorsha lynch?

[Matt]

Golden gave no smilies, not even a 1.

Keeping vote on Sorsha for now. Still have about an hour and a half before I leave.

Also, MM was posting a bunch earlier, hasn't posted anything in the last few days (I believe he said he was somewhere with no internet signal?), and I haven't ISO'd him yet. Assuming I'm not lynched today, I'll give him a read when I get home from work.

[Elohcin]

Elohcin

Oh my goodness! Now that one was hilarious!

[DrWilgy]

Voting bcornett until he answers my question.

[Golden]

Golden gave no smilies, not even a 1.