The Syndicate

hey sig where you at?

There are three players in contention for my vote today:

DrWilgy
Wilgy replaced BWT, my top suspect. I want to give the Doc a chance, but jeez, BWT looked bad to me. Prove me wrong, Doc.

LoRab
LoRab's game, lately, has not been what I might have expected. What I am most freaked out about is that she doesn't seem to have much conviction this game. If BWT/Wilgy flips bad, then I would put her as my next top suspect. If not, then she stays relatively low on this list. As of now, she is least likely to get my vote of these three.

Sig
Sig only appears when he is under pressure.

Christmas...why, that's just an excuse for retailers to sell you more cheap made-in-China crap than you would buy at any other time of the year.

Dom wrote:hey sig where you at?

Sorry for being gone, between my pc not working then traveling home I completely lost track of all my mafia games.

Now the good news is I'm actually done school and will be able to catch up today.

Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

Epi, does Christmas symbolize something to you?

Christmas symbolizes the destruction of decency and America.

Dom wrote:There are three players in contention for my vote today:

DrWilgy
Wilgy replaced BWT, my top suspect. I want to give the Doc a chance, but jeez, BWT looked bad to me. Prove me wrong, Doc.

Perhaps you could let me know why before I prove anything?

@Dom: Nope, not bad.

My top 2 suspects for this round are 3J and MM, which is annoying because MM is insanified and 3J is off the poll.

Epi posting against Christmas is kind of amusing.

DrWilgy wrote:

Dom wrote:There are three players in contention for my vote today:

DrWilgy
Wilgy replaced BWT, my top suspect. I want to give the Doc a chance, but jeez, BWT looked bad to me. Prove me wrong, Doc.

Perhaps you could let me know why before I prove anything?

I thought you were catching up today.

i cannot write a large post right now, but scanning my posts and MM's might give you a good idea of why.

Deaths have been added to my technicolors:

DAY 1
DAY 2
DAY 3
DAY 4
DAY 5
DAY 6
My previous ranking for voting records (best to worst):
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
Sloonei/Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
Scotty
Sig
Birdwithteeth11/DrWilgy 2.0
Dom
Timmer
Epignosis


New rankings (best to worst):

JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
Sig
Dom
Sloonei/Quin
Birdwithteeth11/DrWilgy 2.0
Metalmarsh89
Epignosis

Jimmy's votes don't look like teammate behavior at all, so I can still get on board with him as a serial killer. Technicolor vote analysis doesn't really work for SK hunting, just mafia teammate hunting.

My biggest suspects coming out of this are Epi, MM89, and Wilgy 2.0 but two of those three got hit with silly sticks it seems. Does anyone have anything positive to say about those three based on game content? I don't want to be barking up the wrong tree and cost the civvies the game. Nothing sucks the fun out like a replacement player who hands the game to the baddies on a silver platter.

I think my technicolors would gain the most from lynching Metalmarsh. Would anyone like to tell me why that's not a good idea (aside from his insanification).

Devoting the rest of my time today to the other game I'm in. I'll check in tonight during Monday Night Football.

Christmas ruins everything.

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Christmas should be banned, especially in schools, which are full of impressionable children.

sig wrote:Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

QB QB QB

G-Man wrote:My biggest suspects coming out of this are Epi, MM89, and Wilgy 2.0 but two of those three got hit with silly sticks it seems. Does anyone have anything positive to say about those three based on game content? I don't want to be barking up the wrong tree and cost the civvies the game. Nothing sucks the fun out like a replacement player who hands the game to the baddies on a silver platter.

I think my technicolors would gain the most from lynching Metalmarsh. Would anyone like to tell me why that's not a good idea (aside from his insanification).

QB QB QB

sig wrote:Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

DrWilgy wrote:

Dom wrote:There are three players in contention for my vote today:

DrWilgy
Wilgy replaced BWT, my top suspect. I want to give the Doc a chance, but jeez, BWT looked bad to me. Prove me wrong, Doc.

Perhaps you could let me know why before I prove anything?

DXBHYUDVSPW

G-Man wrote:Deaths have been added to my technicolors:

DAY 1

Spoiler: show

14. INSERTNAMEHERE (Sig)

DAY 2

Spoiler: show

14. BOOMSLANG (Sig)

DAY 3

Spoiler: show

8. DOM (Sig)

DAY 4

Spoiler: show

1. SLOONEI/QUIN (Sig)

DAY 5

Spoiler: show

Not Voting: Sig

DAY 6

Spoiler: show

Not Voting: Sig (2)

G-Man wrote:New rankings (best to worst):

JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
Sig
Dom
Sloonei/Quin
Birdwithteeth11/DrWilgy 2.0
Metalmarsh89
Epignosis

Jimmy's votes don't look like teammate behavior at all, so I can still get on board with him as a serial killer. Technicolor vote analysis doesn't really work for SK hunting, just mafia teammate hunting.

My biggest suspects coming out of this are Epi, MM89, and Wilgy 2.0 but two of those three got hit with silly sticks it seems. Does anyone have anything positive to say about those three based on game content? I don't want to be barking up the wrong tree and cost the civvies the game. Nothing sucks the fun out like a replacement player who hands the game to the baddies on a silver platter.

I think my technicolors would gain the most from lynching Metalmarsh. Would anyone like to tell me why that's not a good idea (aside from his insanification).

DWIUVRGZJLLZOCQ

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

Screwing up the game by not having been lynched and us not having lynched a baddie yet? How would you be screwing up the game?

You've never seen a case predicated on someone who appears when their name is brought up (I mentioned I'd like more scrutiny on you earlier) suddenly appears? BTSC partners alerting them to the pressure they're now facing? That's really just so absurd to you? You're also not even my top suspect. When insanified, I GTH'd you as bad. I don't know why you seem so 1)outraged and 2)defensive of some basic pressure on you.

sig wrote:Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Why are the curses the same every time if both insanifiers aren't alive?
You haven't voted in days, and you come in here pointing fingers-- make a case if you're so outraged. Don't just scream about it.

I think MM is a civ. I am a civ. I think Epi is a civ. You think we're bad because of G-Man's analysis? Why did you leave out BWT/Wilgy? Is he your teammate?

MM, please respond in translated code.

Yes

No

Civ

Bad

Maybe

Dom wrote:MM, please respond in translated code.

Yes

No

Civ

Bad

Maybe

UMN

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dom, a suggestion:

2 letters = "no"

3 letters = "yes"

UMN

Dom wrote:No

GX

Dom wrote:Yes

UMN

Dom wrote:Civ

GFPI

Dom wrote:Maybe

GTUMA

Dom wrote:Bad

GTHJWA

sig wrote:Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Where is there evidence of this?

G-Man, I'd like to see your response to this:

Epignosis wrote:

G-Man wrote:Doing the sheeple thing and voting Jimmy. Epi's case is intriguing but speculative. Sometimes you have to go with speculative in order to break a game your way. Jimmy's votes don't look good or bad, which gives me pause, but I also haven't had enough proper time to dig through them all to look for tinfoil patterns. I can see them as the intentional work of a baddie or the unintentional work of a civvie but not the intentional work of a civvie.

I know you just got here, but this post reeks of trying too hard to say very little.

First, I don't really have a "case" against 3J. Somebody who knows who the serial killer is called 3J the serial killer. That's about all there is to that.

Second, if 3J is the serial killer, how is looking at his votes is a useful way to spend your time? If you've read my "case," then your comment about 3J's votes doesn't make sense.

Third, that last sentence...

G-Man, I appreciate your effort in vote analysis, but I am struggling to follow it. Could you please expand on why you like or dislike the votes for each player at least briefly?

Hey serial killer:

You thought I was a freebie today and now you're at risk. *vulgar arm motion*

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

My question for you sig:

You've returned to the game after a few days away and immediately dived right back into the discussion of who should be lynched and why. That's a nice thing, but I don't understand how you can even have a clear perspective of anything that's gone on lately. Do your reads translate from where they were when we last saw you, or have they developed in some manner since that point?

LoRab wrote:@Dom: Nope, not bad.

My top 2 suspects for this round are 3J and MM, which is annoying because MM is insanified and 3J is off the poll.

Epi posting against Christmas is kind of amusing.

Why do you care whether MM is insanified?

Dom wrote:I think MM is a civ.

Why?

Dom wrote:I think Epi is a civ.

Why?

sig wrote:Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

JaggedJimmyJay on Day 2 wrote:YWQIGWETZEZXJNNZQXTIKZNNKFYREPAMJJTFBPULCKNFGOHPHGZUDTSJWSNHJLINGUDCNVFPZPXIXLXKFXBGMOOQZNQDMAXPPNUELPIVWGKQHLEBDQFEAKHERODKZRJNOQIUOW

Golden on Day 2 wrote:My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end

Epignosis on Day 4 wrote:WIIACIISSRVGAOZJOSERLMGRRUKSHOH

Metalmarsh89 on Day 4 wrote:HOW THE FUCK IS LOSING MY BELOVED MARMOT PRINCESS CONVENIENT?!?!?!

LoRab on Day 4 wrote:Slovenly Asshats. Dammit.

GET FRIED TENTACLE-GIRL!!!!!!

Dom on Day 5 wrote:VLAKNI IXJDAK CXVQQ

Metalmarsh89 on Day 7 wrote:AEVNWOHUHGXK

Epignosis on Day 7 wrote:Fuck Christmas.

sig wrote:I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

To be frank: I don't give a crap whether someone isn't here to speak or they are insanified. There aren't enough people left alive to give people a pass for that kind of stuff.

A valid argument to consider is that Sleep and the SK have both been present to make their kills. That might eliminate BWT/Wilgy 2.0 from candidacy for the SK, for example, since there's no teammate in that context to associate with the kill. He could still be Sleep. Also, earlier in the game Rico refused to answer me when I asked whether the mafia team can send actions as a group or if individuals must send their own actions period. That leaves the door open for group actions, which allows anyone alive to be either scum role.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:I think Epi is a civ.

Why?

QFPI

That would also likely eliminate sig from SK contention. The only alternative in those cases would be randomized kill targets when a kill isn't submitted. Some hosts have done that on other sites I've played at, but I've never seen it on The Syndicate. I'm content to assume it's not the case.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:I think Epi is a civ.

Why?

QFPI

Following your prior code, if I understand you, those four letters mean "civ" right?

If so, please indicate via quote which one you're calling a civ:

Epignosis

Dom

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That would also likely eliminate sig from SK contention. The only alternative in those cases would be randomized kill targets when a kill isn't submitted. Some hosts have done that on other sites I've played at, but I've never seen it on The Syndicate. I'm content to assume it's not the case.

QX

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That would also likely eliminate sig from SK contention. The only alternative in those cases would be randomized kill targets when a kill isn't submitted. Some hosts have done that on other sites I've played at, but I've never seen it on The Syndicate. I'm content to assume it's not the case.

QX

So you think sig is a SK candidate?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:I think Epi is a civ.

Why?

QFPI

Following your prior code, if I understand you, those four letters mean "civ" right?

If so, please indicate via quote which one you're calling a civ:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis

QFPI

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dom

QFPI

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That would also likely eliminate sig from SK contention. The only alternative in those cases would be randomized kill targets when a kill isn't submitted. Some hosts have done that on other sites I've played at, but I've never seen it on The Syndicate. I'm content to assume it's not the case.

QX

So you think sig is a SK candidate?

QTUMA

Metalmarsh89 on Day 4 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It looks like Epignosis is working on the theory that Vompatti was Moya, and is looking for connections -- revealing an inordinate focus on Sloonei in his posts. Epi please confirm or deny in your code.

Another thing that occurs to me now: Vompatti being bad and killed Night 1 could be attributed to the Motherfucker = Redeemer role. Each odd night, one in that pair checks a living player. If the living player is mafia there's a 50% chance it'll kill that mafioso.

YOU'LL MEET THE SAME FATE AS YOUR WOMBAT FRIEND, MARMOT-SLAYER!!!

Metalmarsh89 on Day 5 wrote:I'm travelling tomorrow and Thursday so my activity will be sporadic, then I will be completely out of service Friday through part of Sunday (backpacking trip).

Metalmarsh89 on Day 7 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Fuck Christmas.

AEVNWOHUHGXK

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This phase has not moved enough. Last phase was too slow and this one is even worse. Whatever your beliefs about the circumstance in this game right now, the effort level needs to improve. I understand we don't all have all day to play this game, but this is still not good enough. There's barely been 30-40 posts this phase and half of them are mine. There are at least three baddies out there and given the current trajectory of discussion it's not getting any better this phase. Find baddies or lose. Period.

I've done what circumstances have allowed me to do.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh Ponderosa, it would be a shame if I were to join you so soon.

I cannot rest until the claws of evil are rendered hitherto inert.

GX

I'm afraid I don't follow the second post there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm afraid I don't follow the second post there.

GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX GX

Dom wrote:

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Sig's last post was on day 4.
I mention that I am thinking of voting for him and he shows up within hours.

So im what lurking for days, and screwing up the game, and my chances of winning, by not voting, but decide to show up since you mentioned me? Get real, your either mafia looking for an easy lynch or not thinking.

Screwing up the game by not having been lynched and us not having lynched a baddie yet? How would you be screwing up the game?

You've never seen a case predicated on someone who appears when their name is brought up (I mentioned I'd like more scrutiny on you earlier) suddenly appears? BTSC partners alerting them to the pressure they're now facing? That's really just so absurd to you? You're also not even my top suspect. When insanified, I GTH'd you as bad. I don't know why you seem so 1)outraged and 2)defensive of some basic pressure on you.

sig wrote:Looking over GMAN thing we literally have the same people mislynching and leading the lynches over and over again.

I'm eyeing Epi, Dom, and MM due to his list, but plan to ISO them and see what I see. I had some suspicion of MM, but nothing to lynch on before now though we have almost lynched MM twice, failed both times lynching civs instead and the people who were pushing his wagon were killed by the mafia. I want to try and lynch MM this phase again. Looking back the cases and points made against him are good , but like I said I'll ISO him at some point.

Also I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it is unlikely that both insanfiers are still alive. I think one is faking it.

Also there comes a point where if we have to lynch silenced/insaneified people then that is what we have to do. Especially if the mafia is doing it to their own.

Why are the curses the same every time if both insanifiers aren't alive?
You haven't voted in days, and you come in here pointing fingers-- make a case if you're so outraged. Don't just scream about it.

I think MM is a civ. I am a civ. I think Epi is a civ. You think we're bad because of G-Man's analysis? Why did you leave out BWT/Wilgy? Is he your teammate?

Purposely not voting would be screwing up the game in a fundamental sense and be extremely unfair to the other players and the host. So it would be screwing up, "pointing fingers" that is kinda how you play the game.

Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left. Also you provide no reasoning for MM/Epi being a civ, BWT/wilgy hasn't been up for a lynch twice and you throwing in the teammate thing makes little to no sense. I think I nailed the remaining mafia in my post, one of which is you and you're in panic mode. I also think you were hoping I didn't come back so you could get me lynched today. Which you're still attempting to do.


@JJJ I've been skimming over since I went afk, but mainly my reads are based around my previous thoughts, the voting records, and the last phase.

Did you know that people are more suicidal around Christmastime?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Also, earlier in the game Rico refused to answer me when I asked whether the mafia team can send actions as a group or if individuals must send their own actions period. That leaves the door open for group actions, which allows anyone alive to be either scum role.

sig wrote:Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left.

GTHJWA

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Also, earlier in the game Rico refused to answer me when I asked whether the mafia team can send actions as a group or if individuals must send their own actions period. That leaves the door open for group actions, which allows anyone alive to be either scum role.

sig wrote:Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left.

GTHJWA

So you think I'm bad or JJJ is bad?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm afraid I don't follow the second post there.

I think he's just referencing he's been insanified days 4, 5 and 7.

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Also, earlier in the game Rico refused to answer me when I asked whether the mafia team can send actions as a group or if individuals must send their own actions period. That leaves the door open for group actions, which allows anyone alive to be either scum role.

sig wrote:Also yes it is really that absurd, that you somehow think I've been active in a scum chat, but not playing or logging in for what five/six days? Keep in mind this would also mean by power has been in limbo and not used if I was mafia, unless your goign to say I logged in sent Pms but then left.

GTHJWA

So you think I'm bad or JJJ is bad?

UMN

UMN

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm afraid I don't follow the second post there.

I think he's just referencing he's been insanified days 4, 5 and 7.

GX