Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Hally]

lc how does it feel to have everyone target you the same night? you’re so popular

[Long Con]

I thought you saw that *someone* targeted me, not that wisp targeted me.

yes, but i saw somebody target you with the exact action that wisp is claiming

how could he know that if its not his action? occams razor hes town and is being truthful and my action corroborates that

Got it, thanks. So what you saw was right in line with wisp's claimed action, and not quite there on Daisy's.

[Long Con]

lc how does it feel to have everyone target you the same night? you’re so popular

I guess the squeaky wheel really does get the grease.

[Hally]

as long as wisp, daisy and i are both alive, we can potentially confirm the accuracy of the checks on any player we choose

i.e. wisp and daisy target player X, i voyeur player X, then we know exactly who checked X for real and what they got back

unfortunately wisp or daisy is gonna get shot at tonight, and if redirector is a scum role the other will be redirected

but scum cant redirect both of them, so if both of them make to to next day we should have a solid check on one person

any town protective roles (doctor, bodyguard, etc) MUST target wisp or daisy in the night

[Hally]

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] hi ?

[Hally]

ColinIsCool - claimed miller
Long Con - no claim?
TonyStarkPrime - no claim?
DrWilgy - no claim?
Pawn Lelouch - no claim?
Spacedaisy - claimed alignment cop
Wisp - claimed rolecard peeker
KitsuShel - claimed miller
sabie12 - no claim?
Epignosis - no claim?
Alison - claimed miller
JaggedJimmyJay - claimed vote thing
Hally - claimed miller + voyeur

is this the current state of all role claims?

[Millium]

I probably wont be able to post as much till later, and tomorrow
since I work all day today

[Alison]

I claimed miller + something but aren't saying what that thing is.

[KitsuShel]

as long as wisp, daisy and i are both alive, we can potentially confirm the accuracy of the checks on any player we choose

i.e. wisp and daisy target player X, i voyeur player X, then we know exactly who checked X for real and what they got back

unfortunately wisp or daisy is gonna get shot at tonight, and if redirector is a scum role the other will be redirected

but scum cant redirect both of them, so if both of them make to to next day we should have a solid check on one person

any town protective roles (doctor, bodyguard, etc) MUST target wisp or daisy in the night

The only kink I see in that plan is if one of them is scum. They could mislead the entire situation.

[Alison]

I doubt any of them are scum tbh

[Alison]

like on paper it can be some omega brain conspiracy to fake clear all of them but in practice this never happens

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry folks but I am slaughtered by work; today it’s gotten considerably worse. So I cannot be here at all. I may poke in later if I can justify it, but ugh. The following is purely for my own reference because I need somewhere to write non-game reminders for myself:

CCap program, draft letters, well-known process accounts

[Spacedaisy]

I’m back to work today so I won’t be able to post much until this evening

[sabie12]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been busy with work stuff. I'll be on later.
I have claimed Not Miller if that helps the list.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Honestly, silent redirects are like borderline bastard... That's pretty garbage

waht

[TonyStarkPrime]

hm

[TonyStarkPrime]

wisp you're not a miller?

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think that all of me, wisp, daisy and lc might be mech cleared from this whole thing

daisy literally has a fake(?) result, why would you clear her?

[TonyStarkPrime]

if daisy was redirected or something

whoever did that action knows the identity of the real 3p

if you are town, you MUST claim who you redirected daisy to

that will out the 3P

if it was a scum action they wont claim it but theyll probably off the 3P for us

I'll nip this.

If you are scum and have a controlled misdirect, claim your action. Pretend to be town. Get off the hook, we won't kill scum today. Do it now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

lock town:
me
wisp
daisy
lc

other town:
jay
sabie

probably fine:
kitsu
epi
tony
alison

poe:
wilgy
colin
pawn

there are chances daisy got caught in a fake claim but also this seems... fine? Why do you have Jay so high?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also LC should claim a character.

[Hally]

i think that all of me, wisp, daisy and lc might be mech cleared from this whole thing

daisy literally has a fake(?) result, why would you clear her?

i feel like this has been explained, but ill try again

daisy never fakes that result as a wolf. whats the point? it outs her when lc flips. wolves dont cc a cop in this situation ever. trading herself for lc is not worth it amd theres no guarantee we actually believe her over wisp or anything. also if she doesnt die after a whilecshe outs herself. its not a fake claim

her result can still be real, but its not lc’s result. she targeted lc but was redirected to someone who is 3p. thats why when i voyeured lc i only saw wisp not daisy

this is the explanation that makes the most sense and the one we should assume is true until further notice

[Hally]

lock town:
me
wisp
daisy
lc

other town:
jay
sabie

probably fine:
kitsu
epi
tony
alison

poe:
wilgy
colin
pawn

there are chances daisy got caught in a fake claim but also this seems... fine? Why do you have Jay so high?

because i town read him

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Long Con
What exactly are you asking?
Anyways I will respond in the morning
if the question is, "Do you have my whole role pm, word for word", then the answer is yes
Actually my results don't actually confirm its you, but I can confirm it with
"Samurai Jack"

No LC claims the character you don't no no no nonads f'wrlk bdfgx

[TonyStarkPrime]

I need to be around more

[Hally]

Also LC should claim a character.

he did already

samurai jack

[Hally]

or well yeah

wisp claimed it for him, which uh

shouldn't have happened but

water under the bridge

[TonyStarkPrime]

is this a real question

Yes.

Do you have any general theory of the game, or are you just spouting random takes to maintain some image of involvement?

no I don't but I'm not through the early day 2 stuff maybe I'll emerge with one also no I'm not

Okay. I'll let you catch up.

To be more clear: I have no idea what you actually think of anyone. That's not to say you haven't given reads -- but to my immediate recollection, those reads have all been in this tiny format: see a post and make a comment. Those comments have been up and down for numerous people, so whatever actual reads you have are lost in that. If you have them at all.

I'm content with the poe. I want to take a role of being around to make sure mechanical things go smoothly, but I wasn't here in the abject disaster of day 2 action claims so I've failed in that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

this sort of is not the way that it should go but I think LC needs to claim slightly more.

[TonyStarkPrime]

WEll, it's probably fine. Even if Wisp hits fake roles, LC would have it

[Hally]

this sort of is not the way that it should go but I think LC needs to claim slightly more.

i already asked him to hint his flavor

he can also role hint

anything to confirm to wisp it was his role card

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jack Sparrow is a miller, anime Jack the Ripper is a miller, but psychopath Jack Torrance isn't.

Also if someone were claiming flavor for "insane cop" I mean

[TonyStarkPrime]

Which is why LC has to claim character first

[TonyStarkPrime]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

technically there are several

[TonyStarkPrime]

but occam's razor

[Hally]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

technically there are several

which are?

[TonyStarkPrime]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

insane cops (cops that give the opposite result of whatever is the truth, seeing townies as scum and scum as townies) and paranoid cops (cops that see everyone as scum) exist. maybe there's some kind of "3P" cop that sees everyone as 3P?

that's my best guess if redirection wasn't involved

wisp has claimed jack torrance. also think about this, wisp and sd have both claimed cop roles, wisps is substantially more powerful. therefore, wisp is hiding something. If he's town, that's his prerogative. But it might be secret.

[TonyStarkPrime]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

technically there are several

which are?

lightning rod would be fairly simple

[Hally]

how is he hiding something when i saw him do his action

[TonyStarkPrime]

but if there were a lightning rod they'd currently be CCing samurai jack or else Wisp would have thought of that because of the role

[TonyStarkPrime]

how is he hiding something when i saw him do his action

hiding something about his role card

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have no doubt that Wisp's action went through, the fact that he reveals it AND his choice of target means that he's probably town

[Hally]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

technically there are several

which are?

lightning rod would be fairly simple

not possible. that redirects all actions to the same person. doesnt account for the two different results

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've given up on syndi ways this is full hcrealms hunting

[TonyStarkPrime]

is there any other explanation for my, wisps and daisys actions last night besides that daisy was redirected to the real 3p?

just wanna make sure we leave no stone unturned

technically there are several

which are?

lightning rod would be fairly simple

not possible. that redirects all actions to the same person. doesnt account for the two different results

not always. jack has some experience with 50 percent lightning rods

[Hally]

i think wisp is always town here

like i see no reason to think otherwise

[TonyStarkPrime]

Lots of bastardy mechanics too, SD's action could be hidden etc

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think wisp is always town here

like i see no reason to think otherwise

Yes I agree.

[Hally]

i think we just go with the daisy was redirected theory until further notice

shes always town imo, wisp is always town imo, lc always town, im town

no need to complicate stuff for no reason

[TonyStarkPrime]

ColinIsCool - claimed miller
Long Con - no claim?
TonyStarkPrime - no claim?
DrWilgy - no claim?
Pawn Lelouch - no claim?
Spacedaisy - claimed alignment cop
Wisp - claimed rolecard peeker
KitsuShel - claimed miller
sabie12 - no claim?
Epignosis - no claim?
Alison - claimed miller
JaggedJimmyJay - claimed vote thing
Hally - claimed miller + voyeur

is this the current state of all role claims?

was literally the second person to claim miller