Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i thought this is his 3rd forum game

oh so u must play with him on voice? yayyy!!!

We were scum together in a 451 game that just ended

Dunia was there too!


I couldn’t really talk about it cause it was ongoing but yeah I don’t think he’s been outside of his wolf range. Bit more self aware, but also a bit less on top of mechanics, so it kinda just balanced out

[tutuu]

damn nanook its not fair u CHEATED >:(

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If Proto town it probably means checks are meaningless? I uh

Don’t think it’s optimal to start thinking along those lines until/unless Proto flips town tho, it’s a lot of unnecessary work if Occam’s razor applies and he’s just the last mafia

[Hally]

i guess it can be proto plus one of iaafr or amy

but like

i don’t think that makes sense

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

damn nanook its not fair u CHEATED >:(

I didn’t cheat, I just had an advanced screening kek

[Hally]

are we hammering or waiting for amy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Worlds of two are really complicated and make my brain hurt too much to think about rn tbh

Especially since game is likely just about to end

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hammer is fine, Amy faking a red doesn’t get her a win so as long as she claims her clear tonight it doesn’t matter

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Assuming the game even keeps going!)

[tutuu]

im gonna play by protocol and not vote yet but if u guys wanna quickhammer i wont stop u

[Hally]

i mean like

proto having me as top town and then suddenly flipping to tunneling me and working hard against the me/nut/lc clears was pretty wolfy lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeh his “I assume town are lying about their roles” was pretty too

[iaafr]

[Hally]

he was basically doing what he needed to do to avoid being poe clamped if wolf

[tutuu]

lmao all of those were town

[Hally]

lmao

“low power” he said

“chill” he said

[tutuu]

[Hally]

tbh cop was only useful because we had flipped scum D1 but without a scum flip results would have been meaningless

and doc was two shot

vig’s were each one shot

still a lot of power though

[Hally]

but we have no idea what power scum had soooo

[tutuu]

he was basically doing what he needed to do to avoid being poe clamped if wolf

so u say, but then i remember nutella from yesterday pushing the idea that wwh is godfather

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

“Light” role madness was a questionable descriptor tbh

[iaafr]

i expected far more roles like mine and maybe 2-3 "actual" roles with low x-shot

[nutella]

loltsp


[VOTE: proto] aubergine

[nutella]

thats -1

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hell yeah baby quick hammering mafia gets my blood racing

[tutuu]

w/e yolo

[VOTE: proto] aubergine

[Hally]

he was basically doing what he needed to do to avoid being poe clamped if wolf

so u say, but then i remember nutella from yesterday pushing the idea that wwh is godfather

i mean

wwh being godfather is a far more likely world than whatever me/nut/lc tinfoil y’all were indulging in

[TonyStarkPrime]

you're killing me. should we just make this a turbo?

Protocultures has been killed! He was Lao-Tzu (TOWN)!

I'll wait until the next 9 to force start the day, but if I get actions in early and get around to it I'll start sooner rather than later.

[tutuu]

DUDE

[tutuu]

i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play i dont wanna play depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression depression

[Hally]

i was literally in the middle of writing inb4 proto flips town as thread was closed rip

[tutuu]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Welp

That is kinda surprising

I guess we’re moving into “cop checks don’t mean anything cause the last scum is a godfather” territory?

[Hally]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

how is that confirmed

[iaafr]

fuck yeah i own its probably amy FUCK YEAH IAAFR GOAT

[iaafr]

REMINDER AMY LITERALLY SCUMCLAIMED IN HER SECOND POST

[Hally]

Welp

That is kinda surprising

I guess we’re moving into “cop checks don’t mean anything cause the last scum is a godfather” territory?

only person who could be incorrectly peeked is wwh

nut is just a villager idc about anyone’s tinfoil

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

how is that confirmed

She’s operating on assumption that checks are meaningful I think?

[iaafr]

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

CLASSICS R GREEK

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe it is just amy tho, idk

[tutuu]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

how is that confirmed

everyone else is confirmed town in the world where there is 1 living mafia remaining, assuming amy doesnt redcheck nanook

so if we are living in a world with 1 living mafia remaining, its amy or hally

if we are living in a world with 2 living mafia remaining, its amy + hally or iaafr + hally

[WerewolfHunter]

Is it day or night now?

I guess they were trying to frame them

[Hally]

we can yeet amy idc

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

IAAFR GOAT

[tutuu]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

how is that confirmed

She’s operating on assumption that checks are meaningful I think?

why would they not be meaningful lol

its not even a godfather its literally bastard game if im lied that all mafia have the same nationality...

[tutuu]

IAAFR GOAT

I WAS RIGHT ON PROTO THO

[WerewolfHunter]

I think we should prob create another plan for this night

[Hally]

1 mafia in amy and hally confirmed

how is that confirmed

everyone else is confirmed town in the world where there is 1 living mafia remaining, assuming amy doesnt redcheck nanook

so if we are living in a world with 1 living mafia remaining, its amy or hally

if we are living in a world with 2 living mafia remaining, its amy + hally or iaafr + hally

ok well i am town so if amy flips town you are wrong somewhere js

[tutuu]

amy can be maf with iaafr my bad

[Hally]

it’s probably just amy

if we send in actions quick we can start day soon i think