Well, you’ve probably looked into it harder than I have.
imma have to take back my town read, sorry [VOTE:
unvote] aubergine
I feel somewhat betrayed
fair, but like that wasn't a townie answer
I’m a townie so it was QED.
My point is if your snap take is wolf and I say I think you're wrong the townie answer is to talk about why, not just shrug and move on.
My read isn’t particularly strong (I mean look at it. It’s basically a joke about Dunya being bad at reading me). I’m not trying to yeet her. I don’t particularly care if you don’t agree with my barely thought out read and if I think you’re town (and I do), trusting your read on Dunya is smarter than my 80% joke of a read on Dunya.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:54 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:04 pmOfficial VC 2.6:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:40 pm
People with no votes (not counting mine) that I don’t have a reason to townread: Wilgy, Dunya (arguable), Enrique, Falcon
People with votes that I do have a reason to townread: Marmot, Epi, Urist, JPic (arguable), Mac (arguable)
People with votes I don’t have a reason to townread: Ted
I’m sure I left somebody out but I loathe the current wagon formation.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:54 pm
Actually, yeah, that shit does look pretty pockety.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:59 pm[VOTE:
Epignosis] aubergine
Does Jack flip this easily on reads?
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:21 pm
@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?
@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:05 pm
Fuckers killed my brother.
This all makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:58 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Confirmed town: Jack, Epi
Strongly townread: HK, Mac
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:11 pm
I do not know why Jack or Urist voted for me. Long Con's vote was also especially smelly.
None of them answered how I could award six mana to one person (now you know).
That doesn't make sense. I assumed your powers had some way to... just send six mana. The method through which you sent it wasn't really in doubt and I don't think anyone really cared to hypothesize what might or might be on your card.
Why should we have assumed that it was connected to your alignment?
Do you really think a mafia member can send six mana to another person?
Yes. 100%. Sorry for not seeing the obvious way a townie could send 6 mana since it’s literally the same way a wolf could.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:02 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm[VOTE:
Epignosis] aubergine
Well, you’ve probably looked into it harder than I have.
imma have to take back my town read, sorry [VOTE:
unvote] aubergine
I feel somewhat betrayed
fair, but like that wasn't a townie answer
I’m a townie so it was QED.
My point is if your snap take is wolf and I say I think you're wrong the townie answer is to talk about why, not just shrug and move on.
My read isn’t particularly strong (I mean look at it. It’s basically a joke about Dunya being bad at reading me). I’m not trying to yeet her. I don’t particularly care if you don’t agree with my barely thought out read and if I think you’re town (and I do), trusting your read on Dunya is smarter than my 80% joke of a read on Dunya.
cool, you're town again
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:05 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Sorry, Epi. You have to post Kurapika picks and gifs a lot, now.
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm[VOTE:
Epignosis] aubergine
Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.
My vote was from this phase
I don't understand what you're saying here
I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.
Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.
Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.
Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.
I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm[VOTE:
Epignosis] aubergine
Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.
My vote was from this phase
I don't understand what you're saying here
I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.
Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.
Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.
Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.
I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.
I apologise for voting a near enough confirmed town
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:25 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
@falcon45ca
@DrWilgy
@Enrique
You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:49 pm[VOTE:
Epignosis] aubergine
Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.
My vote was from this phase
I don't understand what you're saying here
I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.
Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.
Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.
Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.
I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.
I apologise for voting a near enough confirmed town
I’m saying it’s a suboptimal townie move and going “I totes trust the mechanically confirmed townie” is lip service I could imagine a wolf engaging in.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:27 pm
by Justplayingitcool
I also asked Epi if he still wanted me to change votes and he never answered, so
You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.
Move your votes to someone more suspicious.
[VOTE:
Macdougall] aubergine
You're not in charge of town cred assessments bucko
I am. I’m Gon, town leader.
If you’re town, you’ll see it’s reasonable to not have poe players voting for the towncore.
If you’re town and you trust a player, you should want to protect them. You should want a steady handed townie voting for them.
If you’re town and you could get yeeted, you should want the ability to self preserve by removing your vote from another player in the poe instead of being forced to self preserve against a consensus townread or just die.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:35 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Literally the only player that disagrees with this strategy is a wolf that wants to try and yeet a consensus townie.
Even if you disagree with me on who the towncore is, you wouldn’t want to vote for a consensus townie you don’t townread anyhow.
And if you disagree so strongly that you think we should yeet say, Mac, then fucking make a case for that instead of bitching about how I don’t townread you.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:42 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.
Poe should vote for each other.
Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.
Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.
Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.
Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:43 pm
by Enrique
I’m just not sure if we’re in different tiers of townness...? Who am I allowed to vote for then? I feel fine where I am.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
by Enrique
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
by tutuu
@TonyStarkPrime has subbed in for @dunya! Please don't discuss substitutions!
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:48 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
The only way this is ever a mafia yeet is if the player with 0 votes is voting for a wolf.
If the player with 0 votes is a townie, they will at best tie with whoever they are currently voting for if they self preserve. Even if that player is a wolf, wolves will tie break into the townie with 0 votes.
If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the only player voting for a townie, they will remove their vote, forcing a tie with a townie and tiebreak will yeet a townie.
If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the extra vote, they will cause a 1 vote across the board tie, resulting in the town yeet of whoever they fucking feel like.
The only way this setup ever yeets a wolf is if we set it up so that the player with 0 votes is also voting for a wolf so that the only player they can self preserve onto is a wolf.
This voting setup is INCREDIBLY wolfsided.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:49 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Why should you be in the towncore?
Does anyone in the towncore townread you?
You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Why should you be in the towncore?
Does anyone in the towncore townread you?
You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.
I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:51 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:48 pm
The only way this is ever a mafia yeet is if the player with 0 votes is voting for a wolf.
If the player with 0 votes is a townie, they will at best tie with whoever they are currently voting for if they self preserve. Even if that player is a wolf, wolves will tie break into the townie with 0 votes.
If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the only player voting for a townie, they will remove their vote, forcing a tie with a townie and tiebreak will yeet a townie.
If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the extra vote, they will cause a 1 vote across the board tie, resulting in the town yeet of whoever they fucking feel like.
The only way this setup ever yeets a wolf is if we set it up so that the player with 0 votes is also voting for a wolf so that the only player they can self preserve onto is a wolf.
This voting setup is INCREDIBLY wolfsided.
Which btw is outting.
My plan potentially yeets a wolf and red peeks a second wolf. Any other plan literally always yeets a townie.
So look for poe players that reject my plan, feigning generic stubbornness.
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Why should you be in the towncore?
Does anyone in the towncore townread you?
You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.
I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...
Great, and if you’re a wolf and we try to yeet you, you change your vote to me to “self preserve” and then yeet me via tiebreak even though there’s no reason whatsoever for me to be anywhere near the chopping block today.
I don’t want you watching my back. I want someone I can trust to do it.
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Why should you be in the towncore?
Does anyone in the towncore townread you?
You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.
I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...
Great, and if you’re a wolf and we try to yeet you, you change your vote to me to “self preserve” and then yeet me via tiebreak even though there’s no reason whatsoever for me to be anywhere near the chopping block today.
I don’t want you watching my back. I want someone I can trust to do it.
I guess I’m gonna leave you...
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:00 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
I’m not going to pretend I know what’s going on
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:01 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
What’s going on
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:01 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Don’t answer that
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm
by Enrique
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm
by Enrique
ah lol wtf wrong video
[ytubehd][/ytubehd]
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:04 pm
by tutuu
Dunya's currently placed vote counts as TSP's currently placed vote. If TSP votes for anyone else then Dunya's vote will no longer counts. If he does not place a vote then it will count as if he is voting Long Con.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:04 pm
by Enrique
[VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:08 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:08 pm
by Urist
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:42 pm
Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.
Poe should vote for each other.
Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.
Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.
Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.
Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.
I think the current configuration of votes is fine.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:11 pm
by Urist
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:08 pm
Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon
Anyone with 0 votes at EoD are placed in the elimination pool. Mafia will decide which of those players is eliminated.
@Jackofhearts2005 I think you need to chill, having the two loose ends be Wilgy & jpic is fine.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:42 pm
Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.
Poe should vote for each other.
Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.
Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.
Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.
Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.
I think the current configuration of votes is fine.
Hard disagree
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:13 pm
by Urist
Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.
Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:14 pm
by Enrique
Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:13 pm
Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.
Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?
Not in the slightest lol. I’m trying to make a point to him.
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:47 pm
can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.
Why should you be in the towncore?
Does anyone in the towncore townread you?
You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.
Enrique got me feeling pretty good about him during our exchange last night. Good enough to be voting there anyways.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:19 pm
by hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:08 pm
Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon
it's reverse voting today. We're voting for someone we don't want to eliminate.
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:20 pm
by hollowkatt
Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:13 pm
Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.
Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?
Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand
Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 3
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:23 pm
by Enrique
I get where Urist is coming from fine. It’s the same discussion we were having last night (except now we’re on opposite sides lol). Jack’s thing is the closest we had to a solution but it’s still flawed (what does the mafia care if we just leave a townie out to die?).
