The Syndicate

trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:20 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 am

trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:54 am i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

what you want to know?

did you read my posts regarding you on the last page? because i threw out why i thought you were a wolf, and the interactions i had a problem with regarding you, and you did nothing with it.

yes, i get it. having no sense of direction in a game isn't a wolftell. it's absolutely nai, and could be village indicative based on meta. but this doesn't tell me anything on its face. some wolves like to blend and try and coast to late game. some wolves like to dive into the trenches and misdefenestrate villagers. some wolves like bussing to try and garner cred. it's not as if you don't fit into the first archetype at all, and the only village archetype i can think for you is the quiet type of villager that's overwhelmed by the amount of information in the thread. but i don't even think that would be accurate to your gameplay; i'm not getting the sense that the current gamestate confuses you and that you don't have any direction to push in. my problem is it seems less like you're confused, and more like you don't care. sorry if that's insulting, but correct me if that isn't the case.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon

Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?

Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:17 pm [VOTE: Mana] aubergine is mafia or the wolves are all deep.

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:56 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm **SNIP**
TSPIC is town because of their townclearing Toopy and having a good chance of being the town counterwagon from D1 wagonomics (it beggars belief that there are 0 wolves between BT/TAT/Mana, and TSPIC had pressure on them at the same time all of those slots were being run up).
trans rights are townie on play and cleared from pushes if either BT or TAT are mafia, and it seems to me very likely that at least one of those two are mafia.

**SNIP**

Why does TPIC deserve credit for clearing Toopy?

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:08 am

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:56 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm **SNIP**
TSPIC is town because of their townclearing Toopy and having a good chance of being the town counterwagon from D1 wagonomics (it beggars belief that there are 0 wolves between BT/TAT/Mana, and TSPIC had pressure on them at the same time all of those slots were being run up).
trans rights are townie on play and cleared from pushes if either BT or TAT are mafia, and it seems to me very likely that at least one of those two are mafia.

**SNIP**

Why does TPIC deserve credit for clearing Toopy?

Pretty sure someone else so on so cleared be before they did.

-Toopy

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:11 am They would rather vote Obv town BT then their first SR FK.
Might be S/S, Mana/FK

-Toopy

trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:12 am hmm.

can anyone tell me if they know that bo is a player that relies on meta for reads? i doubt they're lying about that but still.

Julinook wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:12 am

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:11 am They would rather vote Obv town BT then their first SR FK.
Might be S/S, Mana/FK

-Toopy

Presumably they don't want to put them at hammer minus one

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:45 pm If H&V received Poop's flavor due to their rolecop scumbuddy why the fuck would they ever bring it up or admit it in thread

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:17 am

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:55 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:52 pm Like they didn’t want to give me their role due to wolf paranoia.

thats honestly >rand W imo

if a villager is janitored D1 without knowing it'll happen they'll be likely to assume a wolf did it and decent odds are if a wolf has an ability to do that then the game is silly then they have a way to find out what flipped

given the opportunity to speak to a medium, a role that is proooobably >rand V, there's very few roles i'd refuse to claim in their position. especially to a player like you, who is extremely obvious in their typing and is also widely townread

This is a good point

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:31 am that is accurate, flavor has no relation to roles

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:34 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:31 am that is accurate, flavor has no relation to roles

then why do we care about flavor cop stuff? like at all?

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am Btw I tied the vote at 4-4 with 2 seconds left on the clock so it's highly unlikely that the janitor is anything other than a passive scum ability.

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:22 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:04 pm

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:09 pm Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

why did I read this as tmi

This seems weird to suggest. Almost like they know something we don;t

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:36 am

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am Btw I tied the vote at 4-4 with 2 seconds left on the clock so it's highly unlikely that the janitor is anything other than a passive scum ability.

Can you confirm you are lovers?

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:38 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:22 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:04 pm

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:09 pm Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

why did I read this as tmi

This seems weird to suggest. Almost like they know something we don;t

only one scum between HV and FK. I'm ready to vote FK i think.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:42 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

I also feel willing to clear Akenut if FK flips town. I don't know what it means if FK is town, more thought needed in that arena

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:00 pm [VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:38 pm Zero VT claims so far. What kinda firepower do wolves have?

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:36 am

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:05 am Btw I tied the vote at 4-4 with 2 seconds left on the clock so it's highly unlikely that the janitor is anything other than a passive scum ability.

Can you confirm you are lovers?

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:24 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:21 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:20 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:03 pm however, mist and i somewhat agreed that the way they approached the votes yesterday really seemed like they were clueless as to the actual situation. i think that's more likely to come from a village perspective, but that's admittedly pretty thin. i feel like falconknows is slightly more likely to be a wolf than mana though based purely off of behavior and play.

this read is kinda ridiculous imo

how. it is a dumb mistake to make regardless of alignment but it legitimately seemed like they had no idea what was going on.

Made was out of thread. I think that's NAI. I don't know how a wolf, out of thread, would magically be more aware of the gamestate than a villager? Was someone in wolf chat presumably telling him, "you're not being voted" ?

Not really. He, as a wolf, would have had just as much knowledge of what's going on as compared to him being a town.

I've read very little of this game so I don't have a strong opinion on Mana's behavior/play as a whole, but I disagree with this read, and would say the self-pres vote is more wolfy than not because

1. They did it without saying anything in thread until called out by me

2. Simply throwing a self pres vote for ~no reason like that is a wolf mentality imo

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:30 pm I'm starting to get concerned about the Akemi hydra. Them calling Mana scummy was just the latest thing that I've seen that kinda made me nervous.

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Also, there was the sudden vote on Bottom Text after Bottom Text admitted they were lying to me when I was questioned them.

And then, when I outed that H&V loverized us, it seemed like they were quick to jump on H&V.

I don't think they're obvtown at the moment. Counterpoint of course is that H&V seemed to think they were likely to get NKed N1?

I dunno.

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:13 am meta is a good foundation to any read

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:41 pm Wait, we have two votes? tf?

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:55 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:54 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:52 pm but like actually tho, low volume might just mean low engagement. I don't have anything to say so i'm not saying anything of consequence. that's kinda how that works

you got reads? anything

looking for a scapegoat i found a wolf. falconknow's iso is awful, they're prob just bad
[VOTE: Falconknows] aubergine

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:00 pm I bias towards thinking most day 1 death matches are t/t so w/o reading it closely, i think transrights and bottom text are probably town. Bouncing off of that, wagonomics says I should give a closer look at poop to see if that's a wolf trying to push a civvie death match, so i'mma do that really quick

These were the three posts that pinged me about Mana's entrance.

The first post is performative and meaningless. It's like they're giving off this affronted "what the hell is going on, how dare you vote us when we have been so townie" post that feels super fake to me. It's page 16, you have two votes, there was zero need for this post.

The second post is a pre-emptive excuse for contributing nothing. I find it hard to believe that a townie has literal nothing to say at that point in time, but even if that was the case I'd expect some attempt to try to force their way into the game or get a lead. "I don't have anything, sorry, shrug, I'm out" is not a townie mindset.

Third post has extremely sketchy wording ("looking for a scapegoat") and I'm not convinced their FK push was based on anything at all, I thought the entrance was fine, even townie, and I have not seen anything from Mana that refutes that. They're just drive by dropping a spicy read with no followup.

Fourth post is a super premature read. They're calling TR/BT both villagers without reading the interaction closely, and going as far as to suspect Poop for trying to push a V/V thunderdome. There doesn't seem to be anything connecting premise to conclusion or any way they could have of getting from A to B other than TMI, other than a throwaway line about being biased towards assuming early thunderdomes are V/V shoehorned in.

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:09 am You know.
For someone who was so Keen on their FK read.
They aren’t even voting them.

-Toopt

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:44 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:00 pm [VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

why?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:48 pm TAT would never admit to being scum to a potential medium, that makes no sense. They either clam up and say nothing or they anti spew if they are wolf. If they are town they most likely claim their role + legacy, and to a more unlikely extent clam up.

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:32 pm If someone wants something to jump off of, try to follow my logic on Alinut and FalconKnows. my theories/takes there aren't fitting together, which means something is really really wrong in my logic, but i'm missing exactly what

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:18 am

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:37 pm frankly i think me prewriting a shitpost is extremely town AI of me but haters won't agree

assuming Esooa, I feel this is true, but still firmly in scum range. It's not hard to fake, and it's hilarious regardless of AI

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 pm @Akemi Hazelnut
@Bottom Text (Esooa & katze)
@Honey & Vinegar (Urist & Mantisdreamz)
@Julinook (juliets & NANOOK)
@Mana (Made & Dana)
@Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall)
@The Walrus (fingersplints & Roxy) - killed n1 - town vig
@Timsup2gettinserious (Syn & Hyena)
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool)
@Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak)
@trans rights (vanity & Mistyx)

everyone tell me your meta please!!!

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 pm @Akemi Hazelnut
@Bottom Text (Esooa & katze)
@Honey & Vinegar (Urist & Mantisdreamz)
@Julinook (juliets & NANOOK)
@Mana (Made & Dana)
@Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall)
@The Walrus (fingersplints & Roxy) - killed n1 - town vig
@Timsup2gettinserious (Syn & Hyena)
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool)
@Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak)
@trans rights (vanity & Mistyx)

everyone tell me your meta please!!!

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:47 am

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

IF BT thought Dana said What I think BT thought dana said, then BT is prob town.

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 pm @Akemi Hazelnut
@Bottom Text (Esooa & katze)
@Honey & Vinegar (Urist & Mantisdreamz)
@Julinook (juliets & NANOOK)
@Mana (Made & Dana)
@Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall)
@The Walrus (fingersplints & Roxy) - killed n1 - town vig
@Timsup2gettinserious (Syn & Hyena)
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool)
@Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak)
@trans rights (vanity & Mistyx)

everyone tell me your meta please!!!

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:58 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:47 am

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

IF BT thought Dana said What I think BT thought dana said, then BT is prob town.

can you elaborate on this

i thought they were insinuating something specific hence my questioning

they mentioned our targeting, you claimed yours so i asked hypotheticals (if X was Akemi and if X wasn't Akemi)

then their answer to me implied our targetting didn't actually matter which didn't make sense with the prior message so i further elaborated that it was two different questions

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 pm @Akemi Hazelnut
@Bottom Text (Esooa & katze)
@Honey & Vinegar (Urist & Mantisdreamz)
@Julinook (juliets & NANOOK)
@Mana (Made & Dana)
@Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall)
@The Walrus (fingersplints & Roxy) - killed n1 - town vig
@Timsup2gettinserious (Syn & Hyena)
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool)
@Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak)
@trans rights (vanity & Mistyx)

everyone tell me your meta please!!!

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 1:02 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 12:58 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:47 am

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

IF BT thought Dana said What I think BT thought dana said, then BT is prob town.

can you elaborate on this

i thought they were insinuating something specific hence my questioning

they mentioned our targeting, you claimed yours so i asked hypotheticals (if X was Akemi and if X wasn't Akemi)

then their answer to me implied our targetting didn't actually matter which didn't make sense with the prior message so i further elaborated that it was two different questions

if you targeted akemi, then we were gonna watch them but ended up being targeted by them. If you didn't target akemi, then we were gonna watch them but then either got blocked seperately, or were blocked by your X.
It sounded like to me that you were implying you did target Akemi