Re: Baby Mafia (D3)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:45 pm
Tess cares about my reads because she knows that I am potentially dangerous with my reads because I'll be confirmed town after I die.
Prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong.
ugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
I can simply say the sameEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:45 pm Tess cares about my reads because she knows that I am potentially dangerous with my reads because I'll be confirmed town after I die.
Prove me wrong.
That's the fun part about town me, I'm pretty free flowing lol, the bad part is I tend to be a little too hedgy, 10x better than old toxic wisp, that's for sureEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
1. Because I feel like being pedantic:tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
convincing people on yourself, which is important, doesn't involve simple and only convincing people that things you do are wolfy
it involves showing fully, past just the consideration of tess vs ender or whatever such thing, that I am a town and x people are wolves
to do such involves convincing people too that what I say is correct and what you say is wrong--even if I don't point it out to go "this opinion is wolfy in itself." Convincing someone that my views of the game--such as the thing with gavial I said--are correct, IS important
I think that should obvious to everyone and I explained it properly
Also I had a wolf re-evaluate his scum lean for bad reasons, I town read it all game, until I ended up having to bury him. I may or may not have talked about my thoughts on that. And let's be honest here, your re-evaluation was kind of weird. What I did would have been easy for any wolf to do.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
Yes but if you approach my reads from a "Meta this is wrong" perspective like you did you can cause me to doubt them.tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:53 pmI can simply say the sameEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:45 pm Tess cares about my reads because she knows that I am potentially dangerous with my reads because I'll be confirmed town after I die.
Prove me wrong.
say you die and flip town
I am an outed wolf
what I say to disagree with you has NO impact on your reads, now or later
like this is what's actually impossible
this day phase matters, which I've acknowledged and you haven't, and you're pulling it into another, later point, when who is telling the truth will be obvious
What matters is convincing people I'm telling the truth *today*
Factually incorrect.Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:57 pmAlso I had a wolf re-evaluate his scum lean for bad reasons, I town read it all game, until I ended up having to bury him. I may or may not have talked about my thoughts on that. And let's be honest here, your re-evaluation was kind of weird. What I did would have been easy for any wolf to do.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
I’ve had a TR on Ender this entire game.
neither you or I are LC, and someone living in a world that isn't possible/is extremely unlikely is imo a good wolf tell and involves their reads being wrong--mostly for a specific reasonEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:56 pm1. Because I feel like being pedantic:tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
convincing people on yourself, which is important, doesn't involve simple and only convincing people that things you do are wolfy
it involves showing fully, past just the consideration of tess vs ender or whatever such thing, that I am a town and x people are wolves
to do such involves convincing people too that what I say is correct and what you say is wrong--even if I don't point it out to go "this opinion is wolfy in itself." Convincing someone that my views of the game--such as the thing with gavial I said--are correct, IS important
I think that should obvious to everyone and I explained it properly
Wolves = plural wolf. Wolf's = Belonging to wolf. Wolf's Refuge is the correct terminology.
2. The Gavial read is purely based on meta and previous interactions. Your response is the same. Neither is proving anything and neither is a decisive blow in terms of "I am right".
Also as a side note:
Proving someone has an incorrect read isn't even wolfy in the first place. LC has incorrect reads all the time but it doesn't make him wolfy. Even if you were right on your Gavial meta (Which I could be wrong? Like I'm pretty sure my meta dive included fallout and I didn't see anything near this game's level of pushing between w/w but it's not impossible I'm wrong on this.) that proves nothing towards me being wolfy.
So you think Gavial is a likely wolf?tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:00 pmneither you or I are LC, and someone living in a world that isn't possible/is extremely unlikely is imo a good wolf tell and involves their reads being wrong--mostly for a specific reasonEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:56 pm1. Because I feel like being pedantic:tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
convincing people on yourself, which is important, doesn't involve simple and only convincing people that things you do are wolfy
it involves showing fully, past just the consideration of tess vs ender or whatever such thing, that I am a town and x people are wolves
to do such involves convincing people too that what I say is correct and what you say is wrong--even if I don't point it out to go "this opinion is wolfy in itself." Convincing someone that my views of the game--such as the thing with gavial I said--are correct, IS important
I think that should obvious to everyone and I explained it properly
Wolves = plural wolf. Wolf's = Belonging to wolf. Wolf's Refuge is the correct terminology.
2. The Gavial read is purely based on meta and previous interactions. Your response is the same. Neither is proving anything and neither is a decisive blow in terms of "I am right".
Also as a side note:
Proving someone has an incorrect read isn't even wolfy in the first place. LC has incorrect reads all the time but it doesn't make him wolfy. Even if you were right on your Gavial meta (Which I could be wrong? Like I'm pretty sure my meta dive included fallout and I didn't see anything near this game's level of pushing between w/w but it's not impossible I'm wrong on this.) that proves nothing towards me being wolfy.
this too btw can be construed as "trying to convince you," but I'm not, I know you're not going to be convinced, I'm arguing so the people who read the thread can see and consider it
same shit
I wouldn't say likely, but he can beEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:01 pmSo you think Gavial is a likely wolf?tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:00 pmneither you or I are LC, and someone living in a world that isn't possible/is extremely unlikely is imo a good wolf tell and involves their reads being wrong--mostly for a specific reasonEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:56 pm1. Because I feel like being pedantic:tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
convincing people on yourself, which is important, doesn't involve simple and only convincing people that things you do are wolfy
it involves showing fully, past just the consideration of tess vs ender or whatever such thing, that I am a town and x people are wolves
to do such involves convincing people too that what I say is correct and what you say is wrong--even if I don't point it out to go "this opinion is wolfy in itself." Convincing someone that my views of the game--such as the thing with gavial I said--are correct, IS important
I think that should obvious to everyone and I explained it properly
Wolves = plural wolf. Wolf's = Belonging to wolf. Wolf's Refuge is the correct terminology.
2. The Gavial read is purely based on meta and previous interactions. Your response is the same. Neither is proving anything and neither is a decisive blow in terms of "I am right".
Also as a side note:
Proving someone has an incorrect read isn't even wolfy in the first place. LC has incorrect reads all the time but it doesn't make him wolfy. Even if you were right on your Gavial meta (Which I could be wrong? Like I'm pretty sure my meta dive included fallout and I didn't see anything near this game's level of pushing between w/w but it's not impossible I'm wrong on this.) that proves nothing towards me being wolfy.
this too btw can be construed as "trying to convince you," but I'm not, I know you're not going to be convinced, I'm arguing so the people who read the thread can see and consider it
same shit
I actually don't think that's the team tbh.
Yeah I honestly agree with that read there.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:41 pm Like seriously:
Why would someone care about a confirmed wolf's read accuracy?
If I say "Gavial is lock town" and then flip red, is anyone gonna look back and say "Gavial is lock town" because of my meta? No, they'd only say that because they think I spewed him town.
At which point it's wifom.
You don’t think it’s possible for an Alison/Wisp team do you?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
I am definitely considering Wisp.Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:09 pmYou don’t think it’s possible for an Alison/Wisp team do you?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
Yeah she must think I’m wolf with you.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:01 pmSo you think Gavial is a likely wolf?tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:00 pmneither you or I are LC, and someone living in a world that isn't possible/is extremely unlikely is imo a good wolf tell and involves their reads being wrong--mostly for a specific reasonEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:56 pm1. Because I feel like being pedantic:tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmugh, I forget sometimes that being intentionally obtuse is a wolves refugeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:43 pm I want everyone to do an exercise:
You're in a game. In a CC battle.
Your opponent, who you KNOW is wolf, says something you think is a bad read like, idk, "Wiml is good turtle".
You know that person WILL be flipped wolf today or tomorrow.
Do you really care to try and invalidate that read, knowing their flip will invalidate it for you?
convincing people on yourself, which is important, doesn't involve simple and only convincing people that things you do are wolfy
it involves showing fully, past just the consideration of tess vs ender or whatever such thing, that I am a town and x people are wolves
to do such involves convincing people too that what I say is correct and what you say is wrong--even if I don't point it out to go "this opinion is wolfy in itself." Convincing someone that my views of the game--such as the thing with gavial I said--are correct, IS important
I think that should obvious to everyone and I explained it properly
Wolves = plural wolf. Wolf's = Belonging to wolf. Wolf's Refuge is the correct terminology.
2. The Gavial read is purely based on meta and previous interactions. Your response is the same. Neither is proving anything and neither is a decisive blow in terms of "I am right".
Also as a side note:
Proving someone has an incorrect read isn't even wolfy in the first place. LC has incorrect reads all the time but it doesn't make him wolfy. Even if you were right on your Gavial meta (Which I could be wrong? Like I'm pretty sure my meta dive included fallout and I didn't see anything near this game's level of pushing between w/w but it's not impossible I'm wrong on this.) that proves nothing towards me being wolfy.
this too btw can be construed as "trying to convince you," but I'm not, I know you're not going to be convinced, I'm arguing so the people who read the thread can see and consider it
same shit
I mean Alison/Tess could be with Wisp instead of Gira.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:10 pmI am definitely considering Wisp.Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:09 pmYou don’t think it’s possible for an Alison/Wisp team do you?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:51 pmLmao.
You sure changed your tune from "Ender can't be a wolf with that re-eval."
He has been underwhelming since the re-eval that flipped me to him being town.
Tess and Ender are claiming parity copfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 pm Can anyone do a clean breakdown of the CCs, who's claiming they investigated who, and what the checks returned?
Tess and Ender are claiming parity copfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 pm Can anyone do a clean breakdown of the CCs, who's claiming they investigated who, and what the checks returned?
Underwhelming is because a lot of your takes have been hedgy or you've gone back and forth on them.Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:56 pm How have I been underwhelming?
A decent amount of the people aren't playing
You weren't even playing yesterday
Misery, wilgy have clocked out of the game
It's kinda annoying to be told I'm underwhelming, why Alison literally controlled the execute yesterday.
And in your world view I wanted to kill Tess yesterday.
Tess wasn't even doing much yesterday, and Gira also took literally the whole day off.
Like what am I suppose to solve here