Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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98% or something
Yespyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:24 amDo you have the same opinion when you're the N-1 vote on a hammer?Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:08 pmI will hammer any wagon that I can without remorsepyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:44 pmQ for the crowd: I'm down to vote nook again like I did yesterday but I'm going skiiing tomorrow and won't be online for maybe the next 18 hours starting from this post (+-30 minutes).pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:19 am Q for the crowd: I'm down to vote nook again like I did yesterday but I'm going skiiing tomorrow and won't be online for maybe the next 18 hours starting from this post (+-30 minutes).
Should I trust y'all not to hammer? Hammering wilgy really fucked up hedgehog bad + I want time to investigate/re-read/VCA if/when we get told what happened last night.
Should I trust y'all not to hammer? Hammering wilgy really fucked up hedgehog bad + I want time to investigate/re-read/VCA if/when we get told what happened last night.
jfc
I made two posts D3. Two posts. This post was 50% of my posts.
I'm gonna look through this again maybe tonight if I don't fall asleep after work because I'm a zombie rn, but yeah lily's mentions of falcon and Nook in the thread are also something I noticed seemed weird. I think I said something about it yesterday and it probably got lost in the mess after lily attempted to claim rberpyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:59 pmhi. I missed you. So much that I actually have a second prepared post for you as a reward for actually trying to solve when the thread decided that hammering was some galaxy brain im-really-smart-guis playWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.
@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz
Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.
here ya go, sorry that the formatting is a mess, it's also copied directly from my notes
but hey, glad you're alive
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[viewtopic.php?p=1034559&hilit=falcon#p1034559](viewtopic.php?p=1034559&hilit=falcon#p1034559) - lily sr falcon a bunch yet it feels entirely based on tutuu being scum, see: [search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0](search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0)
assuming lily’s team was setting her up deep for getting widely townread (until Sean+Wilgy changed this), then this is just preemptive bussing of falcon because he was already POE so I would see how it’s a good play to just start shoving him in the woodchipper, after all it just won Cosmere mafia, also later see: Porscha and me on falcon D2 [viewtopic.php?p=1034192&hilit=falcon#p1034192](viewtopic.php?p=1034192&hilit=falcon#p1034192), we were both ready to push falcon D3 if tutuu flipped town, so lily is clearly reading the thread and acting accordingly, or at least listening to her scummates, no reason not to start bussing falcon as insurance
[search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0](search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0) lily posts when searching for “nook”
[viewtopic.php?p=1031635&hilit=nook#p1031635](viewtopic.php?p=1031635&hilit=nook#p1031635) - press X to fucking doubt
[viewtopic.php?p=1034532&hilit=nook#p1034532](viewtopic.php?p=1034532&hilit=nook#p1034532) - okay going through more of this search ISO is making me pause on nook a little because lily kinda treats falcon and nook the same….but fuck I gotta think that there’s one wolf in falcon/nook. there just has to be.
I think it would be useful to know if lily is someone who struggles to fake reads as scum, because that imo would be light confirmation of 1 in falcon/nook, because 1 would be easy to piggyback the thread’s general scummy opinion of…..and the other would just be scum
I’m still down for falcon/nook being the solve though, I think it’s totally possible, if a bit WIFOM in lily’s ISO
[viewtopic.php?p=1034291&hilit=wolf#p1034291](viewtopic.php?p=1034291&hilit=wolf#p1034291) - there’s a wolf between y’all quote, lmao
[viewtopic.php?p=1034318&hilit=wolf#p1034318](viewtopic.php?p=1034318&hilit=wolf#p1034318) - P.S. for anyone reading lily’s ISO for me, I was looking to see how she treated me as well, and you’re gonna need to search “pyx” in addition to “pyxxy”
You mean if I jail the maf jailkeeper? I think the jails cancel out which still prob means I die in all likelihoodSabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:25 pmMy worry is one shot mafia JK?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 pm I'd like to remind everyone that
If we chop a wolf today, WWA can clear someone from the PoE tonight, which is HUGE.
So, today could really break the game open if we can do well. Also, under exactly zero circumstances should we ever end the day before WWA says something like
"If we flip a wolf here, I am going to target BLAH".
If falcon doesn't flip jk (which we won't know)
Can two jail keeps jail keep?
Yes, lily who flipped mafia and spent the whole of D2 saying she'd vastly prefer yeeting Sabi to you/tutuu wagons and said she'd vote tutuu just to save youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
You definitely had better luck than I did, lolpyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:21 am@WindwardAway making this a separate post too now that I've had some time to chill
pulled out of my notes dump:D2 vote history:pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:41 pm [viewtopic.php?p=1034480#p1034480](viewtopic.php?p=1034480#p1034480) - I forgot to write down what I was thinking….I think it was something about how there should be either 1 or 2 wolves already on the wagon so that the 3rd could be off it if it got hammered? [ed note: I’ve added this ed note after deciding to post all my notes, aka this is like meta commentary, anyways I went off to research who was on tutuu at that time and then came back to add to this note, ed note 2 I forgot about this bit woops]
I searched for "aubergine" on every page
ties are ordered alphabetically
none of Neon's votes during D2 are in vote tags, so I had a lot of fun ctrl+f'ing through her ISO for "vote" and then opening the post in the thread in order to find which votes it was between
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the entire D2 voting history typed out:
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Now we can finally get to researching my slow cooked thought.
"tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow"
Like I said I don't 100% remember what I was thinking but something about 1-2 wolves on the tutuu wagon
Now I see that tutuu only reached 4 before near EOD and lily was on that wagon so eh don't think there's really much to make of it. Ah well. Maybe someone else will find this work more useful.
P.S. @Porscha did you forget to vote D2?
If I gave a pool of like 3 players I might jail, and mafia get funny and think they can get me a false clear by killing one of them, and I don't jail that player and the player flips town, then congrats i would be alive and a poe player would be dead lmaoPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:09 amAlso unsure if worth for wolves to not kill wwa just to fake a red check when we are aware its possible the check could be faked by the theory you just put forwardpyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:39 amI'm gonna run out of pockets but this is a smart and correct observation.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 pm I'd like to remind everyone that
If we chop a wolf today, WWA can clear someone from the PoE tonight, which is HUGE.
So, today could really break the game open if we can do well. Also, under exactly zero circumstances should we ever end the day before WWA says something like
"If we flip a wolf here, I am going to target BLAH".
I'm going to expand the theorizing a little. If we flip town, it's the opposite logic. We can't have WWA specify her JK target because then wolves could target the same person for the nk and then the lack of a nk would be a fake red check.
Maybe wwa could make a group of 2-3 ppl she will jk to make them guess? For gokd measure? Idk lol
So who do you think is partnered with lily?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:55 amMafia flips are good.
I've slept about 2 of the last 24 hours. Gonna do that first lol. Will read isos and have a solve im reasonably confident in later tonight, probably, possibly tomorrow afternoon (real time). If you want to kill me then fine whatever but I'm actually decent at associative solving so I'd like to get that out first.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:04 amSo who do you think is partnered with lily?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:55 amMafia flips are good.
Yesterday you said solving the game was a "tomorrow Nook problem" and it's now tomorrow, so where's your solve?
That line is where a RB and a JK target eachother. If two JKs target eachother, both are blocked and both are protected.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:26 am From the OP, for clarification:
"If players with Roleblock and Jailkeep abilities target eachother on the same night, roleblock actions will go through whereas the jailkeep actions will not"
Yeah this is what I said already except that I said they cancel out lol
But to the same effect, essentially. Jailkeep doesn't work, and in this setup that's all that matters cause we don't have investigatives.
This is correct, yeah. Free reign if we miskill, claim conditional target beforehand if we hit another mafia.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
Did you not read cartomacy? She did break out from being polarized that game a bit.
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:43 amIf I answered this with:falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
Dennis, Porscha, Neon
What would you say to that?
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:57 amYes, lily who flipped mafia and spent the whole of D2 saying she'd vastly prefer yeeting Sabi to you/tutuu wagons and said she'd vote tutuu just to save youfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
Lmao
Not a very useful question
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:54 pmbecause of hedgehog when town decided to that hammy whammy was some fucking genius megamind brilliance
I note in my prepared post that actually I think the hammer was fine because of how the day actually played out it's just connected to me feeling tight about clearly no one actually reading my post
and honestly WWA + Sabi are the only reason I think hammering wasn't the end of the world because they actually took the fucking time to use it to solve and talk and investigate and think through what was possible, without those two, and okay let's add Seanzie too he held out for a while and used the time well, honestly during my catchup it seemed like y'all were happy to just let nook and falcon shut down the thread discussion _after_ they let lily do her little antispew/spew dance (I still hate and don't understand the spew terminology)
like it's so incredibly transparent that those two wanted the least amount of discussion possible when all that could be produced from the thread was a better and better POE as we had more time to think about it together
on that note since he seems to be the SOD wagon of choice [VOTE: falcon] aubergine but my solve is falcon/nook and I don't care who goes first
Why does there "have to be"?pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:59 pmhi. I missed you. So much that I actually have a second prepared post for you as a reward for actually trying to solve when the thread decided that hammering was some galaxy brain im-really-smart-guis playWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:17 am So let me try something.
@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz
Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.
here ya go, sorry that the formatting is a mess, it's also copied directly from my notes
but hey, glad you're alive
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[viewtopic.php?p=1034559&hilit=falcon#p1034559](viewtopic.php?p=1034559&hilit=falcon#p1034559) - lily sr falcon a bunch yet it feels entirely based on tutuu being scum, see: [search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0](search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0)
assuming lily’s team was setting her up deep for getting widely townread (until Sean+Wilgy changed this), then this is just preemptive bussing of falcon because he was already POE so I would see how it’s a good play to just start shoving him in the woodchipper, after all it just won Cosmere mafia, also later see: Porscha and me on falcon D2 [viewtopic.php?p=1034192&hilit=falcon#p1034192](viewtopic.php?p=1034192&hilit=falcon#p1034192), we were both ready to push falcon D3 if tutuu flipped town, so lily is clearly reading the thread and acting accordingly, or at least listening to her scummates, no reason not to start bussing falcon as insurance
[search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0](search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... =1084&ch=0) lily posts when searching for “nook”
[viewtopic.php?p=1031635&hilit=nook#p1031635](viewtopic.php?p=1031635&hilit=nook#p1031635) - press X to fucking doubt
[viewtopic.php?p=1034532&hilit=nook#p1034532](viewtopic.php?p=1034532&hilit=nook#p1034532) - okay going through more of this search ISO is making me pause on nook a little because lily kinda treats falcon and nook the same….but fuck I gotta think that there’s one wolf in falcon/nook. there just has to be.
I think it would be useful to know if lily is someone who struggles to fake reads as scum, because that imo would be light confirmation of 1 in falcon/nook, because 1 would be easy to piggyback the thread’s general scummy opinion of…..and the other would just be scum
I’m still down for falcon/nook being the solve though, I think it’s totally possible, if a bit WIFOM in lily’s ISO
[viewtopic.php?p=1034291&hilit=wolf#p1034291](viewtopic.php?p=1034291&hilit=wolf#p1034291) - there’s a wolf between y’all quote, lmao
[viewtopic.php?p=1034318&hilit=wolf#p1034318](viewtopic.php?p=1034318&hilit=wolf#p1034318) - P.S. for anyone reading lily’s ISO for me, I was looking to see how she treated me as well, and you’re gonna need to search “pyx” in addition to “pyxxy”
Based on my view of her as a wolf I'm inclined to agree (has nothing to do with you being okay with getting bussed lol)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 am Why does lily as my partner go hard TRing my slot? Especially in a game where I've been in my Maf meta?
Obvious TMI, especially given that I have zero problems as wolf getting flipped by teammates.
Will keep neon in mind in that case
I think he's exactly the mafia jailkeeper lolPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:55 amBased on my view of her as a wolf I'm inclined to agree (has nothing to do with you being okay with getting bussed lol)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 am Why does lily as my partner go hard TRing my slot? Especially in a game where I've been in my Maf meta?
Obvious TMI, especially given that I have zero problems as wolf getting flipped by teammates.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:20 pmI think he's exactly the mafia jailkeeper lolPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:55 amBased on my view of her as a wolf I'm inclined to agree (has nothing to do with you being okay with getting bussed lol)falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 am Why does lily as my partner go hard TRing my slot? Especially in a game where I've been in my Maf meta?
Obvious TMI, especially given that I have zero problems as wolf getting flipped by teammates.
Then why did you leave falcon after putting him on 6 votes aka E-1 during D2?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:46 amYespyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:24 amDo you have the same opinion when you're the N-1 vote on a hammer?Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:08 pmI will hammer any wagon that I can without remorsepyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:44 pmQ for the crowd: I'm down to vote nook again like I did yesterday but I'm going skiiing tomorrow and won't be online for maybe the next 18 hours starting from this post (+-30 minutes).pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:19 am Q for the crowd: I'm down to vote nook again like I did yesterday but I'm going skiiing tomorrow and won't be online for maybe the next 18 hours starting from this post (+-30 minutes).
Should I trust y'all not to hammer? Hammering wilgy really fucked up hedgehog bad + I want time to investigate/re-read/VCA if/when we get told what happened last night.
Should I trust y'all not to hammer? Hammering wilgy really fucked up hedgehog bad + I want time to investigate/re-read/VCA if/when we get told what happened last night.
jfc
I made two posts D3. Two posts. This post was 50% of my posts.
Well...I would be surprised.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:16 ampyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:43 amIf I answered this with:falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
Dennis, Porscha, Neon
What would you say to that?
I wouldn't be surprised if there's Maf in dem' dere' hills
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:53 pmWell...I would be surprised.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:16 ampyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:43 amIf I answered this with:falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
Dennis, Porscha, Neon
What would you say to that?
I wouldn't be surprised if there's Maf in dem' dere' hills
Saying all this and not actually being towny isn't going to convince us to not yeet you.
Why aren't they?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:23 pmpyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:53 pmWell...I would be surprised.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:16 ampyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:43 amIf I answered this with:falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 amI really haven't read much, but I'll say this...Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 amTell me where your head is at.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!
Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it
So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.
Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?
Dennis, Porscha, Neon
What would you say to that?
I wouldn't be surprised if there's Maf in dem' dere' hills
Why are Dennis, porscha and neon town?
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
