The Syndicate

^ Those posts go all the way back to August 8th.

Oh, my bad -- it apparently wasn't sudden :\

Gah! I feel like I am constantly apologizing for my absence. Seriously, I have an obscene amount of homework this semester.

Thank you, leamiteo! My confidence in you is restored. Ok, I'm just being silly. But seriously, that's exactly what I had intended to point out about borok, except with other posts than that (which I promise to find tonight, even if I lose sleep over it, because I stink at keeping my promises in this game).

I'm going to decide about my vote first, because I move like a snail when it comes to quote posts. I am REALLY wary about jumping on either of the bandwagons. I still am not convinced about the Bullz thing. But I have been wrong so many freakin times, I am NOT about to just jump into another group to balance out the vote. Because, we all know a bunch of people will say, ooooh, CBK came in last second for a save!, if it happens that Bullz is bad, when in reality I just take forever and a day to make decisions. All that just to say, I don't like wagon rides unless I'm convinced.

And, yes, to whoever mentioned it, I do seem confused most of the tiime, because I am. That doesn't mean I'm non-commital. I ran hard after llama and MP, but I was clearly wrong about at least part of that. And that's why I get confused. I second guess myself a lot after things like that.

Anyway, I am voting borok.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Seriously, I have an obscene amount of homework this semester.

same tbh

Bullzeye has been lynched he was.... Oh wait, no he hasn't! You have until ten PM tomorrow to get me your night actions and hut choices. Sleep well.

Hopefully the Bullzeye voters now see the error of their ways....

Oh jeez

Moving on...

Oh my goodness, why did I do this!! I should have been doinng homework...
Well, this may seem extreme, but I just wanted to make really sure that it was clear why I said borok. I'm open to discussion about it. And sorry, some of my quotes were from using the search featue, so some are other people's summaries or responses. Take it as you will.

Here's some examples of confusion/weird behavior:

BigDamnHero wrote:ok...I'm really not liking these run-in votes. this time it was borokkuei jumping in against Dom. He hasn't even been participating but seems confident enough to vote so quick and so early? What's possibly even worse is that not only does he refer back to a suspicion he first brought up two days ago, it was a suspicion he originally thought was about MP and had to be corrected...here (some kind of error happened and it wouldn't let me quote the post so this is the link):

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p35180
He didn't even vote Dom on that day (Day 6) because the winds were currently blowing in SVS' direction at the time. Something just doesn't sit right with me there...

Quite frankly all these absent/inattentive players are somewhat frustrating me...I'm not sure who it was who said it, but if they are civillians, they aren't really doing the rest of us any favors by staying so silent. We don't have to be as chatty as movingpictures was (that was a sort of distraction in its own right) but not saying anything or these run-and-gun votes isn't helping either. I think I've got to toss my vote to borokkuei this round.

Matt F wrote:

Matt F wrote:

borokkuei wrote:Man, I am so behind. I wish I had the time to read over all of the pages of posts so I can figure out who I hate. I guess the safest option now is to hate everyone and vote at random, eh?

I see you only have seven posts total at the forum, five in the game. In one of your posts, you agreed with me about looking at new players on day 1, are you new at mafia?

Looking through your posts...you haven't really said anything.

What are your thoughts in the game, so far?

Borok, the question still stands.

juliets wrote:....

I ddon't know what to think about borok. MP your dialogue with him led me to believe he is just a civv who is not really playing the game to the fullest. But then BDK reminded me about the comment borok made about llama dying. Maybe I'm just ultra sensitive about that because I feel sure I know who llama was by the clues in the thread (and if I could figure it out then I know the baddies could). For the moment I'm going to push borok's comments aside and label my reaction as emotional, and go with my thought that he's just a civv not playing the game up to his potential.

....

Snow Dog wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:One other thought before I do a thing or two and then go to bed...

Does anyone have reason to believe borokkuei is civvie? Additionally, what do players think of his accidental death on night 2? It seems daisy killed him due to host error. While it may be unfair to speculate, since she does not appear to be showing other failed kill attempts on purpose anyway, could this mean that borokkuei is a member of blue laser, or perhaps even the cheat? Just curious, since I am really unsure of what to make of him. He has said more than a few statements throughout the game that have been gross inaccuracies... And while I could see a Baddie or civvie being confused or faking confused, I want other input on this matter.

That is all I have to say for now.

I had a thought I didn't think I should share, that maybe he was Trogdor and killed himself by accident, only for Daisy to realise he couldn't actually do that. It's a possibility but I don't think I'd be comfortable lynching someone on that logic. I don't personally have much of a read on him anyway.

I could see that being possible. But I would feel very uncomfortable lynching someone solely off a hosting error. I do think borok has said a lot of things that haven't been true about the game. I'm unsure as to whether it's because he's not paying enough attention or if it's because he's trying to sow the seeds of doubt.

I think it more likely that Trog was blocked or Borrok was protected somehow and Daisy overlooked it.

Matt F wrote:Oh, and as for low posters, I think Borok should be looked at soon, as well.

This is like the second or third time the dude has latched onto my opinions and ran with them. I am getting increasingly paranoid that if he is on a team, he was told to agree with whatever I say.

borokkuei wrote:I didn't even catch this when it happened, since I'm consistently busy and haven't been reading this thread thoroughly, but earlier in the game I had the suspicion that vomps and lizzy were on a team together, whether good or bad. I assume bad though, but that's mostly because I know vomps' personality I voted lizzy a while ago, and I'm going to vote for her again k

5 Minutes Later

borokkuei wrote:Now that I reread Matt's post, lizzy being Trogdor sounds more likely than her being on a team with vomps. Still, in my mind I have nobody else targeted.

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Then there was the whole thing about borok's death and rez, which led some to believe he might be trogg? (That seemed a bit of a stretch to me, but I could totally see a team protect that was overlooked by our wonderful host).

Big BDH summary of borok things: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... rok#p34291

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borokkuei wrote:My only other suspicions right now are:

BDH - not based on much other than he seems to have been against me for the whole game, changing his reasons every day/night period.

A Person - just simply because he never posts... like, ever, but more so since things have been heating up a bit, so maybe he's trying to lay low and avoid scrutiny, or possibly he's like me and is just generally quiet (I know he is, but still).

And somewhat snow dog, just because he seems to be in a really good place with everyone thinking he's civ. He very might well be civ, but if he's not and everyone else is convinced of his civviness, he's in a very safe spot for a baddy. But really I've got no evidence on that and I'm most likely (like 90% sure) that I'm simply over-analyzing.

Suspicions summary: "he was after me," "he never posts" (Pot & Kettle? until recently, which is weird), "no one else seems to suspect him, so I will"

Even though he had just said that he didn't have an opinion on AP. And then said this

borokkuei wrote:Yeah, I'm not convinced on snowy being bad. That was just me over-analyzing.

I forgot to mention that the one big difficulty with all this could be that timmer mentioned borok multiple times as suspicious, but I don't think it has to rule him out. It was always in the midst of a slew of stronger suspicions which all came out in a mess of indecision. It is totally possible that it was an attempt to keep distance. And he often piggybacked on other people's suspicions to do it.
But I will take that this is a drawback to the idea.

BigDamnHero wrote:Hopefully the Bullzeye voters now see the error of their ways....

What?

There is this:

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Blue Laser Commander - Commander of Blue Laser, the arch enemies of the Cheat Commandos. He is the Team's Don, is not able to be NKed until all his minions are dead. Night Kill on odd nights.

Did I miss something?

doh, lol, nvm that post~

So now can we go back to lynching actual baddies?

Bullzeye wrote:So now can we go back to lynching actual baddies?

We sure can, buddy.

Well that was surprising.


And I'm not really sure how to combat these accusations against me. I suppose I could simply say "I'm a civ" but so many people have said that and it never seems to sway anyone's opinion (I wouldn't expect it to). I mostly see accusations against my actual personality than based on how I play the game, which is basically my life in a nutshell.

Resistance is futile.

Well I'm definitely moving in a different direction.

CBK what do you mean by your earlier comment that my comment about borok was either confused or weird? It didn't sound either to me. It was a comment based on a conversation MP had with borok, which is a long time ago in this game. And what conclusion are you drawing from seeing my comment as confused or weird? And finally, why are you wasting time on me? Is it because I have brought out suspicion of you?

I have to think about where to go next after this last lynch. I never got to read indiglo so I will do that this time around though I'm not sure the logic still holds for her to be bad. Also, is there some kind of linking logic from this last lynch attempt that would suggest I look at someone else that I'm not thinking of? The game has gotten so convoluted I'm not sure I'm thinking straight.

I'm voting borok, that is if I live through the night. I fear he may be the sk. If I die, remember these last words!

sk?

serial killer, i imagine

A Person wrote:serial killer, i imagine

typically sk=serial killer yes

ah ok

tfw not sk

juliets wrote:Well I'm definitely moving in a different direction.

CBK what do you mean by your earlier comment that my comment about borok was either confused or weird? It didn't sound either to me. It was a comment based on a conversation MP had with borok, which is a long time ago in this game. And what conclusion are you drawing from seeing my comment as confused or weird? And finally, why are you wasting time on me? Is it because I have brought out suspicion of you?

I have to think about where to go next after this last lynch. I never got to read indiglo so I will do that this time around though I'm not sure the logic still holds for her to be bad. Also, is there some kind of linking logic from this last lynch attempt that would suggest I look at someone else that I'm not thinking of? The game has gotten so convoluted I'm not sure I'm thinking straight.

Convoluted indeed! That whole ridiculously big post was to show good reason to suspect borok. It had nothing to do with you except to show where your comments revealed borok's confused or weird behavior.

Yes, sorry everyone. I was so rushed to get back to homework and bed that I didn't make sure it was clear that that was all to make a case against borok. It may have come out a little jumbled, because I had like 5 to 7 tabs of the game open all at once.

So, in other words, if my rushed attempt is not clear, please just go read through the search results for borok and his posts.
The end.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

juliets wrote:Well I'm definitely moving in a different direction.

CBK what do you mean by your earlier comment that my comment about borok was either confused or weird? It didn't sound either to me. It was a comment based on a conversation MP had with borok, which is a long time ago in this game. And what conclusion are you drawing from seeing my comment as confused or weird? And finally, why are you wasting time on me? Is it because I have brought out suspicion of you?

I have to think about where to go next after this last lynch. I never got to read indiglo so I will do that this time around though I'm not sure the logic still holds for her to be bad. Also, is there some kind of linking logic from this last lynch attempt that would suggest I look at someone else that I'm not thinking of? The game has gotten so convoluted I'm not sure I'm thinking straight.

Convoluted indeed! That whole ridiculously big post was to show good reason to suspect borok. It had nothing to do with you except to show where your comments revealed borok's confused or weird behavior.

Yes, sorry everyone. I was so rushed to get back to homework and bed that I didn't make sure it was clear that that was all to make a case against borok. It may have come out a little jumbled, because I had like 5 to 7 tabs of the game open all at once.

But he decided I was a civ...

Oh thanks CBH - just blame it on my convoluted state!

borokkuei wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

juliets wrote:Well I'm definitely moving in a different direction.

CBK what do you mean by your earlier comment that my comment about borok was either confused or weird? It didn't sound either to me. It was a comment based on a conversation MP had with borok, which is a long time ago in this game. And what conclusion are you drawing from seeing my comment as confused or weird? And finally, why are you wasting time on me? Is it because I have brought out suspicion of you?

I have to think about where to go next after this last lynch. I never got to read indiglo so I will do that this time around though I'm not sure the logic still holds for her to be bad. Also, is there some kind of linking logic from this last lynch attempt that would suggest I look at someone else that I'm not thinking of? The game has gotten so convoluted I'm not sure I'm thinking straight.

Convoluted indeed! That whole ridiculously big post was to show good reason to suspect borok. It had nothing to do with you except to show where your comments revealed borok's confused or weird behavior.

Yes, sorry everyone. I was so rushed to get back to homework and bed that I didn't make sure it was clear that that was all to make a case against borok. It may have come out a little jumbled, because I had like 5 to 7 tabs of the game open all at once.

But he decided I was a civ...

No, the conclusion from JC there seemed to be that she thought you were civ and then began to wonder based on your comments about llama's death but would put those questions about you on hold. Now I'm not claiming anything about JC's view on you now. And I don't have the comments she was referring to right now, frankly because I didn't have the time to keep searching. It shouldn't be too hard to find by looking back on your posts though.

liinki: Oh no! JC, I didn't mean that (hopefully that was a joke). I have certainly had plenty of the share of the convoluted in this game. Ie: I apparently confused you by appearing to accuse you. Sorry.

All I said was that I was glad somebody died so the game could finally progress. I can't be the only person who thinks this game was stagnated for a while.

borokkuei wrote:No dom? Well damn.

I have nothing else to go on really except strong sad's public dislike for bullz, possibly based on insider knowledge, so I'll go with that.

Plus, I would add, THE first vote this last time (other than dead/host) and on "nothing to go on." Because it's been mentioned repeatedly that Strongsad does not appear to have any special knowledge.

And, by the way, borok, I felt like there was some comment you made back the way that reminded me that I should say I am glad you're in the game! Hopefully I don't come off too strong.

This is all very subjective. I am not really seeing that Borok has done anything particularly bad.

I am also a tad confused about what people took away from this last lynch.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

borokkuei wrote:No dom? Well damn.

I have nothing else to go on really except strong sad's public dislike for bullz, possibly based on insider knowledge, so I'll go with that.

Plus, I would add, THE first vote this last time (other than dead/host) and on "nothing to go on." Because it's been mentioned repeatedly that Strongsad does not appear to have any special knowledge.

And, by the way, borok, I felt like there was some comment you made back the way that reminded me that I should say I am glad you're in the game! Hopefully I don't come off too strong.

nah it's fine, I admire your ability form strong opinions of players in this game -- something I seem to have trouble doing.

I just wanted to vote because I was going to be busy for a while and knew I would otherwise miss the poll, and I didn't want to make spacedaisy mad. I would have voted myself, but I think she mentioned not liking that either. Other than that, I had my own suspicions based on absolutely nothing (like my reasons for thinking about snow dog and A Person). Bullz seemed as good as dead anyway since most people voted for him, but looking at the roles and the fact that he's alive, it seems fairly obvious that he's a civ too. Considering that other players who have been spotted as civ voted for bullz (SVS, others I don't remember), I don't think there is much to go on there in regard to me being bad.

This is my logic.

S~V~S wrote:This is all very subjective. I am not really seeing that Borok has done anything particularly bad.

I am also a tad confused about what people took away from this last lynch.

If you read the civvie roles, I think Bullz would line up perfectly with a few of them... but none of the Blue Lazers

Strongsad's Poetry:

Sorry Bullz
For the Bullz


Sorry Borok
But I'd be "OK"
If we lynched uok


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Bullzeye has been killed by Blue Laser! It is now Day 11 and you have until the poll closes to choose who will be the next person to be lynched. That person shall not be CBK though, as she has been removed from today's poll.

As a side note, my schedule has been changed for the next two weeks, which means the poll needs to end closer to eight PM at least in order for me to get a post up at a decent time. So I will post the new poll tomorrow to get it at an appropriate time.

borokkuei wrote: I just wanted to vote because I was going to be busy for a while and knew I would otherwise miss the poll, and I didn't want to make spacedaisy mad. I would have voted myself, but I think she mentioned not liking that either. Other than that, I had my own suspicions based on absolutely nothing (like my reasons for thinking about snow dog and A Person). Bullz seemed as good as dead anyway since most people voted for him, but looking at the roles and the fact that he's alive, it seems fairly obvious that he's a civ too. Considering that other players who have been spotted as civ voted for bullz (SVS, others I don't remember), I don't think there is much to go on there in regard to me being bad.

This is my logic.

I'm sorry but there's nothing in all of that explanation that makes any sense. Bullzeye wasn't "as good as dead" as you claim because you were the first to vote for him. And being the first person to vote, why on earth would you vote for yourself, regardless of real life commitments?!?!?! I've voiced my suspecikns of borrukei before, but this pushes things over the edge. If I could vote now, I'd cast my vote for him immediately, but ill have to wait for Dausy to adjust things to fit her schedule (which is fine by me). Should anything else come to light, I may change but otherwise I'm voting to lynch borrokuei thus round.

BigDamnHero wrote:

borokkuei wrote: I just wanted to vote because I was going to be busy for a while and knew I would otherwise miss the poll, and I didn't want to make spacedaisy mad. I would have voted myself, but I think she mentioned not liking that either. Other than that, I had my own suspicions based on absolutely nothing (like my reasons for thinking about snow dog and A Person). Bullz seemed as good as dead anyway since most people voted for him, but looking at the roles and the fact that he's alive, it seems fairly obvious that he's a civ too. Considering that other players who have been spotted as civ voted for bullz (SVS, others I don't remember), I don't think there is much to go on there in regard to me being bad.

This is my logic.

I'm sorry but there's nothing in all of that explanation that makes any sense. Bullzeye wasn't "as good as dead" as you claim because you were the first to vote for him. And being the first person to vote, why on earth would you vote for yourself, regardless of real life commitments?!?!?! I've voiced my suspecikns of borrukei before, but this pushes things over the edge. If I could vote now, I'd cast my vote for him immediately, but ill have to wait for Dausy to adjust things to fit her schedule (which is fine by me). Should anything else come to light, I may change but otherwise I'm voting to lynch borrokuei thus round.

By "as good as dead" I meant it seemed as though everyone was going to vote for him, so why not -- if everyone else is going to vote for him, he's obviously going to be lynched.

Being the first person to vote, I'd vote for myself so I wouldn't put a vote towards anyone else, obviously. It didn't seem like someone was going to lynch me, and I didn't want to miss the vote. But, since bullzeye seemed like he would get all the votes, I put my vote towards than in hopes that not everyone in this thread could be wrong about him (they were).

I don't really see what's wrong with that.

Also: "why on earth would you vote for yourself, regardless of real life commitments?!?!?!" -- because lol I have a life, wherein I have more important things to do than play a game

Hey LT... are you there?

BigDamnHero wrote:

borokkuei wrote: I just wanted to vote because I was going to be busy for a while and knew I would otherwise miss the poll, and I didn't want to make spacedaisy mad. I would have voted myself, but I think she mentioned not liking that either. Other than that, I had my own suspicions based on absolutely nothing (like my reasons for thinking about snow dog and A Person). Bullz seemed as good as dead anyway since most people voted for him, but looking at the roles and the fact that he's alive, it seems fairly obvious that he's a civ too. Considering that other players who have been spotted as civ voted for bullz (SVS, others I don't remember), I don't think there is much to go on there in regard to me being bad.

This is my logic.

I'm sorry but there's nothing in all of that explanation that makes any sense. Bullzeye wasn't "as good as dead" as you claim because you were the first to vote for him. And being the first person to vote, why on earth would you vote for yourself, regardless of real life commitments?!?!?! I've voiced my suspecikns of borrukei before, but this pushes things over the edge. If I could vote now, I'd cast my vote for him immediately, but ill have to wait for Dausy to adjust things to fit her schedule (which is fine by me). Should anything else come to light, I may change but otherwise I'm voting to lynch borrokuei thus round.

I couldn't agree more with this thought. After re-reading a bit I have come to the conclusion that borok is the one and the thoughts expressed by BDH here abouts boroks latest remarks just pushed me over the edge. I feel more sure about him than I do CBK or indiglo. I have to vote early because I am traveling tomorrow so unless someone changes my mind today borok it will be.

I thought my rebuttal made sense but oh well :\

I can't help feel the Bullzeye voters are responsible for his death.

How many Lazers do we thinbk remain?

Snow Dog wrote:I can't help feel the Bullzeye voters are responsible for his death.

How many Lazers do we thinbk remain?

I think only one was killed so far (Timmer).

I am feeling CBK as bad much more so than Borok. Her posts feel scramblier to me, and I still think Timmer had teammates in that lynch.

Then my instincts (except for Timmer) have been the suck this game so

But voting CBK in any case.

Or would if we had a poll, lol.

Are we bolding? I will revote when the poll comes up

*Voting CBK*

S~V~S wrote:Or would if we had a poll, lol.

Are we bolding? I will revote when the poll comes up

*Voting CBK*

I hate to be the one to point this out, because I was probably more surprised than anyone else, but I'm not in the poll this time.
Either you're seriously mistaken, or this is a baddie last ditch effort.

I forgot. And I am not a baddie, it is pretty much impossible, lol. This is like the second time you have implied that.

Who are you voting for? I will likely vote for the opposite

S~V~S wrote:I forgot. And I am not a baddie, it is pretty much impossible, lol. This is like the second time you have implied that.

Who are you voting for? I will likely vote for the opposite

Seriously? You admit that borok is scramly, since I apparently am more so, but you wouldn't even consider it. In fact, you imply you wouldn't give any consideration to your vote except to do the opposite of me?

I'm trying to help here. I think it should be obvious that I'm voting for borok.

And I hadn't decided that you were bad with certainty. In fact, I had recently reconsidered it as possibly not being the case.

So, I'm not going to ask you who you're voting for. I'll just ask you what you think of borok, not in comparison to anyone else, just his posts. ??

* scrambly

I have not seen anything that Borok has said that is anywhere near as suspicious as what you have said/done.

i think you are trying to deflect attention fro yourself to him.

Since Dom was the last person off the poll, what is your opinion of him?