Re: RPG Mafia D2
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am
Saving Dunya
[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine
[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine
I don't think it's invalid but I also think that Jack going harder D2 should be recognizedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 amI had that feeling D1, I can probably dig it up if you're interested.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:15 amtbh when I look at group 1 it's hard to not see it as a group that is grouped for going under the radar during d1Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:13 amI agree with all of this except why is Urist associated with Jack/Tony?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:10 amI feel like there's two groups forming here:
TSP/Jack/Urist
Dunya/Scotty/HK
and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.
if I continue to assume cfc is pure.
i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody respondedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 ami've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody respondedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
I dunno about AtE but I had this in my drafts I didn’t post yesterday that I just remembered I had:Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 ami've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody respondedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
dunya wrote: i joined this game to have fun with my friends, i really wanted to play a laid back game where i didn't take control of any narrative, formed reads and maybe for once in my life actually sheeped others who i townread instead.
so i'm gonna do that and if it's gets me yeeted, yolo
dunya wrote: either state a case or kindly get off my ass. at this point, you're probably >rand mafia for not seeing the role hints i dropped you and you're not gonna keep me in the poe cos it suits you. go swim in the ocean and catch some other fishies or kill me at night pls and release me from this game.
dunya wrote: i think i give up on ever being easily town read by syndicate people lol![]()
why can't i have someone who town reads me as easily as HK townread jack?
which is why I'm landing on resolve dunya today and deal with that fallout tomorrow.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:20 amI think that all 6 names do not contain 0 wolves and it is a function of Jack/TSP/Urist just not really feeling like it contains 0 wolves for me. I know that I just said that they're being grouped for ISP, but I don't really think they're pure? I look at Group 2 and I'm definetely fine with you town, less fine with Scotty town now but still TR him. Dunya can die, especially if LP whollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:15 amwhile you're here...Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:12 amgroup 1 contains 2 wolves maxhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:10 amI feel like there's two groups forming here:
TSP/Jack/Urist
Dunya/Scotty/HK
and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.
if I continue to assume cfc is pure.
I kinda think that group 2 only contains 1 wolf if it does but I think that there could be a 2nd wolf if we're getting fleeced, sure
Do you think it's possible that those 6 contain zero wolves, and if so can cfc still be pure? I think that's what I'm getting hung up on. If that group of 6 is pure and cfc is pure that would literally leave the entire wolf team contained in:
dya
marmot
naa
lp
sig
wigley
and I don't think I can make a cohesive wolf team out of that group.
If those 6 are pure it's either an all slanker team, or CFC is compromised
I might even go as far to say that if naa/lp/sig/wilgy only has one wolf and the 6 names are pure, CFC contains TWO wolves. Howeever, I do not actually believe in that world being real
In which case idk who to look at but it's not Syn
sure but her AtE is the "makes you feel good" kind not the makes you feel bad kind so it's far less noticeable.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
yeah, should be recognized for sure.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:22 amI don't think it's invalid but I also think that Jack going harder D2 should be recognizedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 amI had that feeling D1, I can probably dig it up if you're interested.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:15 amtbh when I look at group 1 it's hard to not see it as a group that is grouped for going under the radar during d1Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:13 amI agree with all of this except why is Urist associated with Jack/Tony?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:10 amI feel like there's two groups forming here:Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:01 amnopehollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:44 am
ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today
TSP/Jack/Urist
Dunya/Scotty/HK
and everyone else is revolving around those two and the question is which group has more wolves in it though I guess it's theoretically possibly in a dya/LP, X world that they're all town and the wolf team is just a weird group that aren't actually interacting all that much together.
if I continue to assume cfc is pure.
no, just vicious pocketing in a neighborhoodMarmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:24 amUrist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 ami've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody respondedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.
I don't recall if there was any AtE there.
If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
I almost always advocate for people to bus me if I’m crashing on D1 ftrDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
pretty sure there wasn't.Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:24 amUrist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 ami've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody respondedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.
The only wolf game I've seen from dunya in the last year or two was MtG Mafia, so that's the only one I could point you to to check out.
I don't recall if there was any AtE there.
like yeah Wilgy's Urist/Dunya read is bad but progressing into it being a scumread on Urist to undecided between both, specifically following in thread prompting from teammate Dunya is a ??? play from a wolf and is probably townDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
i don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flipDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
You never switched your vote to LP btwhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
I don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:32 ami don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flipDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
that's my way of saying I don't think they're both vScotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 amIf they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
what's your take on them being v/w?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 amthat's my way of saying I don't think they're both vScotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 amIf they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
i was specifically talking about your last point that dunya and LP are always aligned.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 amI don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:32 ami don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flipDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
Could be a town created flash but idk who started the wagon lol, just when it started
Dunya has been actively preventing a additional town kill if Wilgy v. That's enough for meUrist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:36 ami was specifically talking about your last point that dunya and LP are always aligned.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 amI don't think that the Dunya wagon gets created if Creature/Scotty are v/w AND Dunya v.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:32 ami don't think your logic holds up. i often shield my competing wagon as mafia, to a) look town, and b) not spew them town if i flipDolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am If Dunya or LP flip wolf I actively would want Wilgy alive
I also think that if Dunya flips town Scotty looks good from EoD1 wagon dynamics surrounding the rising of the Dunya flashwagon. Dunya is probably a reach wagon for wolves if that flash wasn't pure and they'd instead probably would concentrate on just saving Scotty rather than creating Dunya's wagon
I firmly believe Dunya and Lp are aligned
Could be a town created flash but idk who started the wagon lol, just when it started
i agree with this. jack and tsp look bad for the dunya push regardless of her alignment.
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:19 amUrist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:16 amwagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.
I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?
i mean yes, i don't think anyone on that list is particularly unyeetable.Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:42 amMarmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:19 amUrist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:16 amwagon economics, partly. i think there have been enough lulls / chaos where if she were mafia, her partners could have stepped in to save her. instead, she's still a leading wagon while the wagons on everyone else have mostly disappeared. i think this is indicative of her being town, with wolves pushing her. specifically, i think at least two wolves are in the list of people currently voting her: Voters: Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, TonyStarkPrime, Marmot, hollowkatt
aside from that, i was thinking last night about her behaviour this game, particularly the AtE that she insists isn't AtE, and I don't think that's the sort of thing she'd pull as scum.
I do think this is a reasonable take, but do you think we can actually elim any of those players who are actually wolves while dunya is alive?
That reminds me, could you answer this question Urist.
dunya (and I) voted for him, then the discussion around him being vigged happened, then the pro-rate patch was added by the host (making Wilgy no longer eligible at the time), then Wilgy posted himself clear anyway
lol thanks fixed it.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:32 amYou never switched your vote to LP btwhollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:35 amwhat's your take on them being v/w?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 amthat's my way of saying I don't think they're both vScotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 amIf they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 amngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine
I think only possible if LP is the w