The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:51 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:26 am From the OP, for clarification:

"If players with Roleblock and Jailkeep abilities target eachother on the same night, roleblock actions will go through whereas the jailkeep actions will not"

Yeah this is what I said already except that I said they cancel out lol
But to the same effect, essentially. Jailkeep doesn't work, and in this setup that's all that matters cause we don't have investigatives.

That line is where a RB and a JK target eachother. If two JKs target eachother, both are blocked and both are protected.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:20 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:55 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 am Why does lily as my partner go hard TRing my slot? Especially in a game where I've been in my Maf meta?





Obvious TMI, especially given that I have zero problems as wolf getting flipped by teammates.

Based on my view of her as a wolf I'm inclined to agree (has nothing to do with you being okay with getting bussed lol)

I think he's exactly the mafia jailkeeper lol

You are exactly wrong





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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:16 pm @WindwardAway what do you want to today? Keep solving or?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:36 am I AM TOWN!











Since some of y'all seemed to have missed it

Tell me where your head is at.

I really haven't read much, but I'll say this...






So, it's totally normal and indeed correct to be sus of my slot currently...I bet there's Maf who are semi-shielding me, or at least not pushing me.






Are there any players you can think of that fit this description?

If I answered this with:
Dennis, Porscha, Neon

What would you say to that?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:42 am If we lynch wolf today our odds are good

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:57 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:00 pm I think I'd rather chop falcon->nook->neon->pyxxy

Then vote me, cutie.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:08 pm Soooo *pokes thread*

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:55 pm Falcon/Neon/pyxxy/Nook is my poe, not in that order, I'm aware it's the consensus and imo that's fine

If you hammer before I come back, one of those will be my jailkeep, but if we don't flip the mafia jailkeeper today, I'm not exactly sure what will happen. From what I understood, the mafia jailkeeper can use their jail and kill at the same time, so even if we flip a goon, the jail will likely happen.

But if the jail blocks and protects, and I am targeted, then I guess I won't be the kill. If the mafia jailkeeper isn't in my current PoE, I probably won't be blocked at all and I'll just die instead tbh.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:09 pm @Dennis or @Seanzie can either of you Unvote incase something funky happens that causes a quick hammer

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?

Something about mech probably

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:24 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?

Because personally I'd like to talk and solve and come up with a backup plan in case you're not mafia
And I have neither the time nor energy right now to do more than leave snarky comments in the thread

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:24 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?

Because personally I'd like to talk and solve and come up with a backup plan in case you're not mafia
And I have neither the time nor energy right now to do more than leave snarky comments in the thread

Just go to the backup plan dude, I'm town

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:30 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

If two JKs target eachother, both people are blocked and protected, meaning neither can submit a NK or die. Thus, if you die, you weren't JK'd, and so the person you targeted is clear.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:31 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

I think you might be?

Tho my worry is now the wolf targeting the other poed player if they aren't the one jailed (but targeted the jailed) one so it gives you a fake red check?

I dunno if that makes sense.

Uhhh

Maybe make a pool of two instead of three?

Idk

Ahhhhh

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:34 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:31 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:23 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...

If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.

In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).

I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.

You need to give a single name if you want it to work.

I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying

Lmao

I think you might be?

Tho my worry is now the wolf targeting the other poed player if they aren't the one jailed (but targeted the jailed) one so it gives you a fake red check?

I dunno if that makes sense.

Uhhh

Maybe make a pool of two instead of three?

Idk

Ahhhhh

See i gave a pool cause for some reason I thought there was still a chance the kill would go through if the scum jailkeeper is still alive but idk why i thought that lol

Seanzie is right i trust that someone who isn't me understood the mech interactions better than I did because I clearly couldn't even remember that mafia had a jailkeeper this morning lmao

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:32 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy

That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:36 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:32 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy

That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.

Oh you mean if mafia fakes a red by hitting my jail target with a kill?
Yeah idk I was worried about that earlier but talked myself out of worrying about it because mafia purposely missing a kill just so the target gets lunched during the day is counterproductive

Like if they target town!Pyxxy with a kill and no kill happens, and we lunch Pyxxy, we lunch a town instead of having a townie die AND possibly a townie getting lunched

Like that doesn't benefit mafia enough for it to be a viable strategy since we'd just be plowing through everyone else right after that and then they can't even shut me up for another day because we waste the day killing their missed night kill.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:38 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:36 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:32 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy

That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.

Oh you mean if mafia fakes a red by hitting my jail target with a kill?
Yeah idk I was worried about that earlier but talked myself out of worrying about it because mafia purposely missing a kill just so the target gets lunched during the day is counterproductive

Like if they target town!Pyxxy with a kill and no kill happens, and we lunch Pyxxy, we lunch a town instead of having a townie die AND possibly a townie getting lunched

Like that doesn't benefit mafia enough for it to be a viable strategy since we'd just be plowing through everyone else right after that and then they can't even shut me up for another day because we waste the day killing their missed night kill.

I guess so. I'm just overthinking this.

Vjdmkdnxksksbdlsksb

I also don't think it's pyxxy anymore for reasons but I trust your choice.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:42 pm I don't need to give a jail pool for the scenario when falcon is town, do I? I mean even if I nail both remaining wolves in the PoE I'm not necessarily gonna jail the one who performs the kill, and if the jailkeeper still has their shot, obviously they're gonna use it to guarantee a kill.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:53 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:54 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:47 pm Why do you get to tell us not to hammer though

because of hedgehog when town decided to that hammy whammy was some fucking genius megamind brilliance

I note in my prepared post that actually I think the hammer was fine because of how the day actually played out it's just connected to me feeling tight about clearly no one actually reading my post

and honestly WWA + Sabi are the only reason I think hammering wasn't the end of the world because they actually took the fucking time to use it to solve and talk and investigate and think through what was possible, without those two, and okay let's add Seanzie too he held out for a while and used the time well, honestly during my catchup it seemed like y'all were happy to just let nook and falcon shut down the thread discussion _after_ they let lily do her little antispew/spew dance (I still hate and don't understand the spew terminology)

like it's so incredibly transparent that those two wanted the least amount of discussion possible when all that could be produced from the thread was a better and better POE as we had more time to think about it together

on that note since he seems to be the SOD wagon of choice [VOTE: falcon] aubergine but my solve is falcon/nook and I don't care who goes first

Yeah, pyxxy could be wolf. Whole lotta blame for others not talking yesterday that's somehow Nook & I'm fault?






When, ironically, I prolly posted more last RD than the last couple.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:26 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like to remind you that you promised us some associative reads. I hope to see them before too long.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:45 pm Sorry if this has already been answered but @falcon45ca if you're town and saying we should move off you and onto whatever the backup plan is, where do you suggest we move?

As a PoE slot, you're in the best position to solve the game around yourself and the suspicions on you, but when I asked you yesterday you just went "idk I'll pick random names" and one of them was Wilgy of all people, who died and flipped doctor last night. I mean, I can believe you just threw out names without caring but why don't you care? You don't want to leave a legacy? Or you just aren't much into the game?

If we give you breathing space for the rest of the day, will you work with us to solve or are you going to continue to not give reads?