Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 8]
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pm
Wait, actually. How many days has Delta not voted?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
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Wait, actually. How many days has Delta not voted?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
I think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
Unless I'm missing something, you didn't vote D5 eitherDelta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pmI think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
??leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:42 pmUnless I'm missing something, you didn't vote D5 eitherDelta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pmI think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
So that would mean, if you don't vote today, you'll be roleblocked tonight.Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pmI think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
Ohleetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:42 pmUnless I'm missing something, you didn't vote D5 eitherDelta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:40 pmI think only other day was 6? And that was because I got caught up talking ab mech & time caught up to me ;_;leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmPretty sure you didn't vote in a couple of days before that
If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pmIf true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
Just as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pmWell I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pmIf true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
This is the one thing I really take issue with when voting you, and it's that it feels like every time a wagon forms on you, very little is said about itDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 pm Bleh, I feel like I'm losing us the game, but the only person who's voted me and interacted with me or anything I've had to say is the person I'm voting lol.
I guess that means I shouldn't feel too bad.
Good luck if there's a f3. If we get there, please town side Delta lol.
I'm not abusing that rule, that's not fair to do
I legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that oftenDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pmJust as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pmWell I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pmIf true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
See that would be abnormal or at host discretion for me.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:57 pmI legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that oftenDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pmJust as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pmWell I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pmIf true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
I'm used to seeing an explicit host message that the vote randed, either in the OP or in the flip post, if no other mechanics are at play
That's going to be an absolute nightmare, holy shit
Ok maybe my expectations are just wrong then lolDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:58 pmSee that would be abnormal or at host discretion for me.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:57 pmI legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that oftenDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pmJust as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pmWell I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pmIf true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pmHonestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit
I'm used to seeing an explicit host message that the vote randed, either in the OP or in the flip post, if no other mechanics are at play
The post I keep returning to. Interestingly, the only living player from my side who can possibly be their partner is directly on the bottom. Granted, they put their other partners in high and middle and were insistent that they'd only vote someone from their own side, but they weren't confident enough to put Ricochet directly on top.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.
Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail
Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo
leetic
Tony
sig
Delta
Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.
The other side. They put WWA in the same position they put Ricochet, though if they were partnered it would indicate that they were very loathe to bus. Not entirely out of the realm of possibility given the arbiter's strong position going into D3, but even Ricochet knew which way the wind was blowing.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:32 pm Going to try to finish up what I did yesterday but I'm not in the mood to go in as much detail for the explanations.
Cape - Generally vibed with reads. Feels like they have been reading my posts. Similar to town Cape I've seen in the past.
Sabi - Never really vibed with Sabi's reads. Didn't pay much attention to them either. Skimmed through ISO and think they could be wolf. I did think their post about thread being boring and hoping someone will stir the pot was kind of towny but it's not something solid I can lean on.
Master Radishes - Hmmm Radishes is actually OK. Next.
DrWilgy - Wilgy's ISO is not as bad as I thought it would be TBH. The frog noises tickled me. This is more of a tone read though.
DarlingMonroe - Not a lot of reads. Not feeling the tone either. Could be wolf.
Would probably order like so:
Cape
Master Radishes
Sabi
DrWilgy
Darling Monroe
If I added everyone else:
Cape
Windward
nutella
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
Nanook
Sabi
Darling Monroe
IDK how I feel about this but it is what it is.
For comparison's sake, falcon had two Ricochet interactions: calling their reads "bland" and responding to Ricochet pointing out that falcon had no pyxxy interactions.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:36 pm Ctrl+Fing "Delta" in falcon's ISO gives 45 results... Of which like 90% of them are from one of Epi's quoted posts. falcon asked Delta for reads D1, asked for the case on them D2, seemingly agrees with Epi's case that Delta was partnered with pyxxy, and pushed them once over it. At least you can't say that falcon never interacted with Delta
falcon interactions, the Abby stuff is now irrelevant. It's surprisingly not as much of a push as you'd expect, then again the same criticism can be said of some people who flipped town like Epi's push on pyxxy. Bussing at that point would have been weird as it would have gone against the other teammates' apparent strategy, then again maybe the vote is why they were all so reluctant to bus?leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:43 amSuspects falcon from N0WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pmI suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too
Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 readWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pmI use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :PLong Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pmIt's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.
Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.
But mostly wolfy.
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.![]()
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine
don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.
Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defenseWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:27 amdidn't Abbi change her mind?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads AbbyWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:48 amI've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of thatLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 amIf it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 amUgh I hate that I town read thisfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:33 pm Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?
Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that
Unvote
To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.![]()
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town
Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falconWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pmFalcon hasn't shared any townreads?Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.
Wagons
Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.
Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.
So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon
falcon
West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment
Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.
Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.
tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
@falcon45ca is this true?
And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.