The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

You have 2112 posts at this moment.

I would like to hear what you think about TH as well, as I have some different ideas about him today than I did before.

Here's some points and shit on Epignosis. I'll keep them in chronological order.



Day 1 saw Epignosis make a lot of joke posts, as well as have a ton of interactions with Golden and blindfaeth. He set himself up early by accusing blindfaeth and Golden of buddying each other at the beginning, and continued to accuse them throughout the day. Not much to see here, aside from both blindfaeth and Golden pushing an Epignosis lynch.

I've pointed out this quote before, but I'll pull it again.

Epignosis wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

Now that's interesting, right there.

The point I made earlier and I'll make again is that this reaction is a perfect set up to slide one way or the other while Epignosis waits to see what the others have said. A weather vane point with the wind, if you will.

Night 1, I brought forth a theory on SVS and Zomba, which I thought had some strong potential. Epignosis disagreed with the ideas behind the theory here and here, though never addressed the theory itself.

Come Day #2, some strange things happened that resulted in my lynch. I still find them strange. Night 1, Epignosis debated some things with LC and rabbit, TH made some little comments, but nothing really relevant. At the time, I found this suspicious, because TH specifically said "I like where this is going". Now, Epignosis stated early on in Day 2 that "My #1 man is still Metalmarsh, but never followed up on it (except with a vote). No reasons why, but TH followed up on it with a case. Epignosis did however make some other joke posts, such as lying that I had self-voted (for who knows why) and dropping some implications into the thread such as "Black Rock is out Night 1". Anyway, the result was my original lynch.

Then there is the Zomba lynch, which Epignosis was so dang proud about. I recommend anyone who has the time and energy to do a reread of Epignosis. Zomba had been a hot topic all game up until her lynch, at least from the moment that blindfaeth brought her name forth. Epignosis was willing to debate the will with Golden and blindfaeth on Day 1. But when it came to Zomba, hardly a mention until the votes piled onto her on Day 3. There were a few joking interactions between the two, but Epignosis only mentioned Zomba seriously on two occasions. Here he mentions Zomba to support a suspicion of LizKeen, and the only other time was in the above pulled quote I already mentioned. It's one thing to think someone is good or bad, but to ignore the idea altogether is a different story. Considering in the quote I pulled up above that Epignosis pointed to the one particular comment from Zomba as "interesting", it should be a surprise to everyone that Epignosis did not pursue it.

Another observation I will make. On Day 4, Epignosis voted for Dom, with the intention of voting for the player he found suspicious. No he did not say so, but he did agree with me that lynching Dom was not plausible. Why didn't Epignosis do this on Day 3? Throughout the day, it seemed clear that LizKeen was Epignosis's number one suspicion. Yet come Day's end, Epignosis placed the obvious crucial vote to tie the lynch between Zomba and Vompatti. Not only this, but he placed the vote on Vompatti, Luckily, Zomba was lynched anyway, and Epignosis looked the fool.


Let me simplify Epignosis's daily cases.

Day 1 - blindfaeth brought information to the thread, so he is bad.
Day 2 - Metalmarsh self-voted Day 1, so he is bad.
Day 3 - LizKeen quoted Vompatti, so she is bad. But he voted vomps anyway even though he had no suspicion of vomps.
Day 4 - Dom spoke like a politician, so he is bad.
Day 5 - ???

So, vote Epignosis please. Stop listening to him and people who have been wrong.



Damn I'm tired, but now I have beers in me. More Black Butts.

Also, I've been listening to a lot of Porcupine Tree this day phase in memory of DP. RIP ol' buddy!

juliets wrote:I did not play games at Lostpedia as Juliets Coffee. I played as ImaPisces. And how many games did you read at Rev?

I was trying to quote and paste and answer on my phone and posted the wrong site. I didn't play at Lostpedia that meant to say Hedville. And probably 2 or 3. I decided not to play there because people looked like they were being really nasty to each other. It's one of the reasons I quit all together. I played at The Piano once or twice too. Can't remember the name of the site before that.

S~V~S wrote:Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

Okay my votes: Day 1 I voted Zombarella because I didn't feel bf would have been so bold if he was a baddie. I voted Zombarella because there wasn't much to go on and I thought that comment she made might have been outing herself.


Day 2 I didn't think MM was bad most especially based on those posts the last day. But I missed the vote. I was less sure about Zombarella because from the ear phones I knew the mafia planned to put the doctors ability on whoever Zomba voted for. I took that to mean they were going to set Zomba up to look suspicious. Hence, why I told her to be careful where she put her vote. I wanted to vote you that day but that didn't seem to be where anyone else was looking and I didn't want to vote MM.

Day 3 I still wasn't sure about Zomb, especially with those posts she made right before I voted but as I've explained more than once I thought the lynch the next day might come down to her or me and I wasn't going to vote myself. Had I had a chance to be around closer to the vote I probably would have voted Zompatti because I already pointed out his posts were less than useful. I know its easy to say after the fact. I can say if I had been a baddie teammate with Zombarella I would not have voted her that early even to save myself. Again I have no way to prove this.

Day 4 I voted DP because I couldn't wrap my brain around him having that elephant charm unless he was the beast. Yes, it's been said the celestials might want it for something and yes it's also been pointed out all sorts of game mechanics could have accounted for it. I wasn't willing to chance a duck is a duck.

Vompatti as I've said twice now seems to want to be voted for. Which could explain his useless odd posts. No, I won't vote for him at least not right now because either he's the millionaire or for some reason wants us to think that. If he is is the millionaire then by my count he has 8 votes already (that could explain the day 1 self-vote) and who knows how much power and if one of those powers is the ability to avoid a lynch I don't want to waste a vote AND give him more power.

You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Epignosis wrote:
I see you
I see you though your eyes can tell lies I sympathize

Well that's creepy. What am I wearing?

S~V~S wrote:
And I was tryig to disguise myself in a sock puppet game. And gone for the day =/= insanified. At Rm & LP, generally lynching those unable to defend was not done. I still don;t like to do it, and I know there are others who feel as i do. Call us old ladies.

I don't like to do it either. But I refuse to grow old and as to whether I'm a lady it depends on who you ask. :P

However, Epi seems to do quite well posting in song.


Or maybe not. I have no idea what this means:

Epignosis wrote:
Sol, Dhoop
Sun
Ilios
Naytheet
Ah Kin
Saule
Tonatiuh
Qurax
Gunes, Grian
Surie
Ir
Samse

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I feel your pain.

LizKeen, who is Zompatti?

LizKeen wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Yep, pretty much.

LizKeen wrote:You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

I'm snipping this part because even if I am sober I bet it wouldn't make sense.

I don't have any stephen's harry keeblr gifs so I'll just recycle oens from Death Note.

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

Then you have not been watching me closely enough, it really is that simple. I expected you of all people to understand where I was coming from this game, I'm pretty confused by your suspicion of me tbh

Case on Epi looks good. He had stayed in the back of my mind because it's seemed he's been cursed more often than not and so it's been hard to grasp his thoughts outside of the MM lynch. But when you lay it out like that MM, he really has been all over the place. His Day 3 actions seem the most damning: not taking a stance on Zomba, calling LK out for a weak case on Vomps, and then voting Vomps himself. The other Vomps voters debated back-and-forth the merits of the case against Zomba. Golden and SVS interacted with her all Day. Epi just piled on a vote.

The problem is I agree with Epi that Dom has been suspicious lately, and I don't think they're both bad. I'm leaning towards an Epi vote atm.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:LizKeen, who is Zompatti?

The love child of Vompatti and Zombarella.

Or, I hit a Z instead of a V on the keyboard.


And I'm sober and that line still makes sense to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LizKeen wrote:You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

I'm snipping this part because even if I am sober I bet it wouldn't make sense.

I am quoting this bit that Mm quoted because it is manageable. I have no idea who Epi is, I do know that I don't think both he and Dom are bad, and I am a bit more leery of Dom. I also know that he is incapacitated and it is unsporting to vote for him, IMO. No knowledge.

And like you, Liz, I suspect Vomps. Did then and I still do now. So I don't think he was trying to save Zomba since she made no effort to save herself and she could have.

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

I thought that theory had as lot off merit, as well as your occasional advice to the Celestials. About Zomba will, and asking them to steal your item. You had a lot of good thoughts re the Celestials. You may have changed your thought, but I think you were spot on about those items. If you changed your mind on that, maybe you could change it back

When it comes to Epi I am not sure he's bad. When it comes to TH, I am more sure that he isn't bad.

I will read the long posts after I get up, I am sure I have to respond to stuff in them since OMG I disagreed with LC and I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is bad.

Thanks for the case, MM. I forgot about the Dom vote. And I think the person who puts 2 people in a fog or something like that does not force votes, which was an early theory. Although your Day One theory about Zombe & I was wrong. I like your case a whole lot except for that part.

Look, heres the deal. This has been a very weird day. I am not sure Epi is a baddie. I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is a baddie. The two people who said they voted Sophie even though they did not think she was bad, WTF is that? I'm not gonna do that. The reaction to saying that i feel how I feel has been very interesting.

Liz seems to think the only way i would not vote for him is becasue I KNOW something. I know nothing, lol. I don't think anyone really does, except for the baddies themselves, and I am sure they are not saying. You should all vote for who you think is bad, not who everyone else is voting for. I know, Oooo Millionaire. And yeah, we need to be careful of that. We need to discuss a lot before splitting votes if possible and not do a lot of early voting if possible.

I also don't want to vote for someone incapacitated. I have done it before, at RM a few times. And it made me feel like shit. Even the time we caught Roxy pretending to be silenced, lol. I don't remember what game that was. But it still felt like shit. I play games to have fun, not feel like a bad person. But that's me, I don't judge others re that, especially if they get a baddie.

And Dom, yeah it amounts to "Dom said stuff". I can't put a finger on it; you usually feel civ to me, here you don't. Did i say I was voting for you? No. You are someone I want to watch, though. Like I said, I don't think you & Epi are teammates. If I am wrong and Epi flips bad, you have my apologies.

Thank you for replies, Liz.

I am going to follow today, may not have lots of reply time. I will vote closer to the end, maybe i will change my mind, it happened with Zomba. But the point there was that I had a gut feel on her, and I let someone elses opinions influence my own.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.

Yes it does actually.

Can you clarify why someone having been a civ means we should follow their beliefs? BF thought TH and I were baddies who had decided to distance by having him call me by the wrong name. If I list off 10 people's names who I'm totally sure are 100% bad, and you lynch me, will you then lynch all 10 people even though more than half can't be bad?

LizKeen wrote: Like you pointed out, I voted early because it was either that or chance missing another vote and at that point I had no way of knowing how the lynch was going to go. The suspicion at that point seemed to be me or Zomberella so a vote on Vompatti wouldn't have made sense. If you look at the posts you 'll see I wasn't back that day before the vote. Given how many votes he got that day and that post he made yesterday I think it may be a very good thing he didn't get any more votes. It seems he actually wants them. And actually my suspect list hasn't changed much, if at all. My only problem is there's about 7 people on it and there's supposedly only 4 mafia left.

What do you mean, supposedly? There must be 4. One has been lynched, and they're the only ones doing any killing at night.

S~V~S wrote: And I am not playing dumb~ but helping the civvies =/=being the civvies. The baddies have to outnumber the civs & Celestials. lots more civs than Celestials, and the baddies know everyone not them. So I am not the one playing dumb.

I actually think Rabbit is right in this one. The baddies must surely be scared of that 5-person btsc group that they seemingly can't win with.

Dom wrote: So, you know who Luke is, then?

Who is Luke? Typo?

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

Paraphrase: "I suspect Dom because he said things"

That's about as specific as that got.

Maybe, but I understand where she's coming from. I do the same thing with talking myself out of ideas halfway through a post. Don't necessarily agree with her here though.

Dom wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

I am starting to doubt it tbh.

Why? He has seemed reasonably good most of the game IMO.

LizKeen wrote: Vompatti as I've said twice now seems to want to be voted for. Which could explain his useless odd posts. No, I won't vote for him at least not right now because either he's the millionaire or for some reason wants us to think that. If he is is the millionaire then by my count he has 8 votes already (that could explain the day 1 self-vote) and who knows how much power and if one of those powers is the ability to avoid a lynch I don't want to waste a vote AND give him more power.

If you're so sure he's the millionaire, why wouldn't you go after him properly and do your best to make sure his lynch goes through? Personally I still don't believe both he and Zomb could be bad.

LizKeen wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Why should there be any?

I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Bullzeye, TH seeming "reasonably good" most of the game is hardly an indicator of Civvieness. He's a very good player, I expect him to be able to do something that simple. It's the players that go out on a limb and take risks that I trust more, not the ones that seem good.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

Try? It's only infodumping if you do it with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Bullzeye wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

Try? It's only infodumping if you do it with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Actually no... it's only infodumping if you have info. No amount or lack of subtlety can create an infodump without that important factor.

S~V~S wrote: I will read the long posts after I get up, I am sure I have to respond to stuff in them since OMG I disagreed with LC and I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is bad.

Why so cautious?
When are you *sure* someone is bad?

S~V~S wrote:I also don't want to vote for someone incapacitated. I have done it before, at RM a few times. And it made me feel like shit. Even the time we caught Roxy pretending to be silenced, lol. I don't remember what game that was. But it still felt like shit. I play games to have fun, not feel like a bad person. But that's me, I don't judge others re that, especially if they get a baddie.

And Dom, yeah it amounts to "Dom said stuff". I can't put a finger on it; you usually feel civ to me, here you don't. Did i say I was voting for you? No. You are someone I want to watch, though. Like I said, I don't think you & Epi are teammates. If I am wrong and Epi flips bad, you have my apologies.

*snipped for relevancy*

SVS, you are basically saying "I think you are bad" with zero evidence to support it. If someone did this to you, I'd doubt you'd let it sit.
Anyway, who are you going to vote for that is incapacitated? Epig? Really? I thought you thought I was more bad than him? Your posts are full of contradictions like this tbh.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: So, you know who Luke is, then?

Who is Luke? Typo?

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

Paraphrase: "I suspect Dom because he said things"

That's about as specific as that got.

Maybe, but I understand where she's coming from. I do the same thing with talking myself out of ideas halfway through a post. Don't necessarily agree with her here though.

Dom wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

I am starting to doubt it tbh.

Why? He has seemed reasonably good most of the game IMO.

Luke is a role in the game. I am asking TH if he thinks he knows who Luke is because he implied that he did. I am not sure I believe TH on this front.

Bullzeye wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

Try? It's only infodumping if you do it with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Not if we know there's info at this point?
JFC.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LizKeen wrote:You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

I'm snipping this part because even if I am sober I bet it wouldn't make sense.

I am quoting this bit that Mm quoted because it is manageable. I have no idea who Epi is, I do know that I don't think both he and Dom are bad, and I am a bit more leery of Dom. I also know that he is incapacitated and it is unsporting to vote for him, IMO. No knowledge.

And like you, Liz, I suspect Vomps. Did then and I still do now. So I don't think he was trying to save Zomba since she made no effort to save herself and she could have.

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

I thought that theory had as lot off merit, as well as your occasional advice to the Celestials. About Zomba will, and asking them to steal your item. You had a lot of good thoughts re the Celestials. You may have changed your thought, but I think you were spot on about those items. If you changed your mind on that, maybe you could change it back

When it comes to Epi I am not sure he's bad. When it comes to TH, I am more sure that he isn't bad.

I will read the long posts after I get up, I am sure I have to respond to stuff in them since OMG I disagreed with LC and I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is bad.

Your victim mentality is showing. ZOMG people are accusing me I must make them look the other way because I would do this or that when I'm bad, not that or this. Let me make their concerns seem absurd.....

No I'm looking right at you, stop deflecting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's some points and shit on Epignosis. I'll keep them in chronological order.



Day 1 saw Epignosis make a lot of joke posts, as well as have a ton of interactions with Golden and blindfaeth. He set himself up early by accusing blindfaeth and Golden of buddying each other at the beginning, and continued to accuse them throughout the day. Not much to see here, aside from both blindfaeth and Golden pushing an Epignosis lynch.

I've pointed out this quote before, but I'll pull it again.

Epignosis wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

Now that's interesting, right there.

The point I made earlier and I'll make again is that this reaction is a perfect set up to slide one way or the other while Epignosis waits to see what the others have said. A weather vane point with the wind, if you will.

Night 1, I brought forth a theory on SVS and Zomba, which I thought had some strong potential. Epignosis disagreed with the ideas behind the theory here and here, though never addressed the theory itself.

Come Day #2, some strange things happened that resulted in my lynch. I still find them strange. Night 1, Epignosis debated some things with LC and rabbit, TH made some little comments, but nothing really relevant. At the time, I found this suspicious, because TH specifically said "I like where this is going". Now, Epignosis stated early on in Day 2 that "My #1 man is still Metalmarsh, but never followed up on it (except with a vote). No reasons why, but TH followed up on it with a case. Epignosis did however make some other joke posts, such as lying that I had self-voted (for who knows why) and dropping some implications into the thread such as "Black Rock is out Night 1". Anyway, the result was my original lynch.

Then there is the Zomba lynch, which Epignosis was so dang proud about. I recommend anyone who has the time and energy to do a reread of Epignosis. Zomba had been a hot topic all game up until her lynch, at least from the moment that blindfaeth brought her name forth. Epignosis was willing to debate the will with Golden and blindfaeth on Day 1. But when it came to Zomba, hardly a mention until the votes piled onto her on Day 3. There were a few joking interactions between the two, but Epignosis only mentioned Zomba seriously on two occasions. Here he mentions Zomba to support a suspicion of LizKeen, and the only other time was in the above pulled quote I already mentioned. It's one thing to think someone is good or bad, but to ignore the idea altogether is a different story. Considering in the quote I pulled up above that Epignosis pointed to the one particular comment from Zomba as "interesting", it should be a surprise to everyone that Epignosis did not pursue it.

Another observation I will make. On Day 4, Epignosis voted for Dom, with the intention of voting for the player he found suspicious. No he did not say so, but he did agree with me that lynching Dom was not plausible. Why didn't Epignosis do this on Day 3? Throughout the day, it seemed clear that LizKeen was Epignosis's number one suspicion. Yet come Day's end, Epignosis placed the obvious crucial vote to tie the lynch between Zomba and Vompatti. Not only this, but he placed the vote on Vompatti, Luckily, Zomba was lynched anyway, and Epignosis looked the fool.


Let me simplify Epignosis's daily cases.

Day 1 - blindfaeth brought information to the thread, so he is bad.
Day 2 - Metalmarsh self-voted Day 1, so he is bad.
Day 3 - LizKeen quoted Vompatti, so she is bad. But he voted vomps anyway even though he had no suspicion of vomps.
Day 4 - Dom spoke like a politician, so he is bad.
Day 5 - ???

So, vote Epignosis please. Stop listening to him and people who have been wrong.



Damn I'm tired, but now I have beers in me. More Black Butts.

All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts there shown before you
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to say that this is all confusion
As I see a new day in me, I can also show it you and you may follow

S~V~S wrote:Look, heres the deal. This has been a very weird day. I am not sure Epi is a baddie. I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is a baddie. The two people who said they voted Sophie even though they did not think she was bad, WTF is that? I'm not gonna do that. The reaction to saying that i feel how I feel has been very interesting.

While I got no life, I got no hope;
I'm falling in love.
Help me through the fight;
Help me with tonight - I'm calling.

Elohcin wrote:yeah, I didn't think she was bad. Sorry Sophie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone want to see my voting record?

Day 1 - Metalmarsh
Day 2 - Metalmarsh
Day 3 - Dead
Day 4 - Sophie, who I didn't want to lynch.

I'm having a dandy of a game right here.

Epignosis wrote:You're not going to get a consensus like that going because nobody fucking talks until there's a few hours left to vote.

Another reason civilians on this site lose.

Last train coming home
Last train coming home

All board the train
All board the train

Last train coming home
Last train coming home

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Epignosis wrote:I haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1, so I'm doing this right now:

Long Con has to have info on me. Has to. It's the only thing I can think of that would compel him to gun for me and raise such shitty and minute points. He "knows" something about me.

Attacking me when I can't use vowels? Check.
Attacking me on points I can't defend against? Check.
Turning a jovial observation I made into proof that I set up MM? Check.
Pressuring others to talk about me? Check.

Saying this?

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

We don't have to. We could just start voting Epignosis.

That says, "I have info." No two ways about it.

I already know three ways info in this game can be wrong (I helped lynch one of them Day 1). It is my perspective that Long Con's "info" is incorrect. If you have been a full participant in every sense in this game, you'll understand my meaning. Given that I won something for a sorry, half-assed attempt I made at the last minute, I suspect most of you have not been full participants.

Lost in losing circumstances, that's just where you are.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Is there anyone here who speaks English that can translate my posts into Syndicatese so that people can understand them?

I don't know how to respond to that.

Finally we're on the same page.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

LC Translation.

1) I accused Epi. It was claimed I have info. If I accuse TH I will be accused of infodumping.

2)My play style looks like infodumping because I'm so fucking awesome. So I'm going to change how I play because apparently I'm not that fucking awesome.

3) Epi knows MM would not KILL BR on night 1. He did not make it very well know and let MM go down in flames anyway.

Go ahead SVS, accuse me of defending and helping LC out here.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Is there anyone here who speaks English that can translate my posts into Syndicatese so that people can understand them?

Are you in fact trying to say that you don't actually have info but people keep acting as if you do and this situation is making participation difficult?

LC if you accuse me, I'm not going to accuse you of having info. That's a silly thing to worry about. I'm just going to tell you how you're wrong.

Turnip Head wrote:LC if you accuse me, I'm not going to accuse you of having info. That's a silly thing to worry about. I'm just going to tell you how you're wrong.

Even if you have info, LC.

Ok, maybe I can hold on to a shred of my sanity. Rabbit, you have always been on top of things, thanks for keeping it real.

Yes, I was expressing frustration at the way that all Epig had to do was invent one post about non-existent info and almost everyone just eats the crap right out of his hand. You'll see on his last post that he's still trying to push that angle. And the thing is, 75 - 80% of the people reading that post will just believe it. I can make ten posts calling it crap and the next ten posts will be speculating on what my info is and where I got it. It's like playing Mafia in Bizarro World. So don't tell me it's a silly thing to worry about, TH. I know it's silly thing. And yet, here we are.

Long Con wrote:Ok, maybe I can hold on to a shred of my sanity. Rabbit, you have always been on top of things, thanks for keeping it real.

Yes, I was expressing frustration at the way that all Epig had to do was invent one post about non-existent info and almost everyone just eats the crap right out of his hand. You'll see on his last post that he's still trying to push that angle. And the thing is, 75 - 80% of the people reading that post will just believe it. I can make ten posts calling it crap and the next ten posts will be speculating on what my info is and where I got it. It's like playing Mafia in Bizarro World. So don't tell me it's a silly thing to worry about, TH. I know it's silly thing. And yet, here we are.

A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, maybe I can hold on to a shred of my sanity. Rabbit, you have always been on top of things, thanks for keeping it real.

Yes, I was expressing frustration at the way that all Epig had to do was invent one post about non-existent info and almost everyone just eats the crap right out of his hand. You'll see on his last post that he's still trying to push that angle. And the thing is, 75 - 80% of the people reading that post will just believe it. I can make ten posts calling it crap and the next ten posts will be speculating on what my info is and where I got it. It's like playing Mafia in Bizarro World. So don't tell me it's a silly thing to worry about, TH. I know it's silly thing. And yet, here we are.

A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace

... do you mean S~V~S?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

@LC, I think TH being bad has a pretty strong dependance on Epignosis being bad. Since you are the second voter, if Epignosis is lynched, then you might get an item from him that could help reveal some things.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Is there anyone here who speaks English that can translate my posts into Syndicatese so that people can understand them?

Yes, there is certainly a person like that here.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:if Epignosis is lynched, then you might get an item from him that could help reveal some things.

Past the safe and small identity

thellama73 wrote:Safe
1
Epignosis (7)
4%

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.

Yes it does actually.

Can you clarify why someone having been a civ means we should follow their beliefs? BF thought TH and I were baddies who had decided to distance by having him call me by the wrong name. If I list off 10 people's names who I'm totally sure are 100% bad, and you lynch me, will you then lynch all 10 people even though more than half can't be bad?

Because they know everything, of course.

And yes, if you were to list off 10 players' names, I would hound them until either I was dead or they are dead.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Correct. I know that you had already addressed it, and I find the whole subject to be quite sensitive anyway.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

I don't know, but saying something such as "Hey, you don't have info on me" seems like a reflexive response from a baddie. LC just said that he doesn't, so emphasizing that point seemed unnecessary. Perhaps I am reading it too deeply.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

Personally I think you're not a baddie. I think LC has been frustrated and that's part of the reason I have looked back at his thought regarding Epi.

Looking at it all I think I see what he sees.

Then I also see SVS.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

Oh, you'll be here. And you got the wrong idea entirely, maybe I should have used sarcastic orange.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Correct. I know that you had already addressed it, and I find the whole subject to be quite sensitive anyway.

Sensitive? I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject.

TBH, I think I have an idea of what LC is saying too. It took a few rereads, but I feel way better ATM. I think he is mistaken re TH if he thinks him bad, but I might give him the BOTD re Epi. I think Epis last post was pretty clear, and I did not like it.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Correct. I know that you had already addressed it, and I find the whole subject to be quite sensitive anyway.

Sensitive? I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject.

I don't know if that question is rhetorical or not, but I'll answer it anyway.

Yes, it is a very sensitive topic.

Wow, that was a heavy read for the morning. I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet but I find the cases on Liz and Epig compelling. Thank you for your case MM, I think it was worth it. I hope you do too.

I think it was worth it, especially for the drfunkities.

Long Con and Metalmarsh have about convinced me Epi is the right person to vote for this lynch. The only problem is I'm one of the old school Rev people who believes that voting for people who can't reply is unsportsmanlike. On the other side of the coin, he has been able to respond to LC prior to this insanification and I don't think he's done a very good job of that. If you disagree with me I would appreciate you pointing me to the post where he puts on a good defense. And in this game, it's safer from a millionaire standpoint to vote together.

I normally hold my vote until I'm reasonably sure no bombshell is going to hit so I will do the same today and meanwhile think about voting for someone who can't reply in this particular case.

linki