The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:49 pm Is his thumb farting?

he's flipping a shiny gold coin he earned presumably by gambling or solving crimes or something

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:49 pm Is his thumb farting?

he's flipping a shiny gold coin he earned presumably by gambling or solving crimes or something

I can never get over the Spritework in BW2.

It's too good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

Cool. This is one of my major beefs as well. Jay and I often bounce things off each other and work together to figure things out. It's a product of having played about 300 games together. I think he's reached out to me unprovoked twice in this game: once to ask a question about my past scum games, and once to ask for a sprityo read at the end of Day 2 while my vote was on sprit already. He alluded to a "lack of townie brotherhood" early on between us, and I think that's his guilty mind projecting itself. It almost seems like he's avoiding me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:26 pm Can I please request a link to a past game with a typical civvie Jay

Also while you're at it can I see a game with a baddie dunya, please

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 pm I guess since you're possibly the least biased on the topic then Sloonei may I ask you to describe Dunya's baddie history?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

I was a bit concerned by Kyle's seeming backtracking after he named Jay as a suspect last nught. He then gave a reason and proceeded to discredit that reason over the course of our conversation.
Overall though, I thought he seemed genuine. I'm just not sure what to make of his Jay treatment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

I was a bit concerned by Kyle's seeming backtracking after he named Jay as a suspect last nught. He then gave a reason and proceeded to discredit that reason over the course of our conversation.
Overall though, I thought he seemed genuine. I'm just not sure what to make of his Jay treatment.

That plus his not treating Domalakim the same as Jimmy.

If Jimmy is bad for saving Domalakim, Domalakim is bad too. But when you asked for his thoughts on Dom he was like "What thoughts on Dom?"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 pm I guess since you're possibly the least biased on the topic then Sloonei may I ask you to describe Dunya's baddie history?

I don't have a good description. The site we played at has been defunct for a few years now and she wasn't bad regularly. Her town game was characterized by crazy good intuition and palpable sincerity, but again, this was a few years ago. Her baddie game, I think, would be a bit more reserved, as sincerity is a hard thing to fake.

I'm currently reading her as town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:35 pm All the sockpuppets from seinfed have been changed. That can get confusing.
Look at phenon instead

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:46 pm That plus his not treating Domalakim the same as Jimmy.

If Jimmy is bad for saving Domalakim, Domalakim is bad too. But when you asked for his thoughts on Dom he was like "What thoughts on Dom?"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

I was a bit concerned by Kyle's seeming backtracking after he named Jay as a suspect last nught. He then gave a reason and proceeded to discredit that reason over the course of our conversation.
Overall though, I thought he seemed genuine. I'm just not sure what to make of his Jay treatment.

That plus his not treating Domalakim the same as Jimmy.

If Jimmy is bad for saving Domalakim, Domalakim is bad too. But when you asked for his thoughts on Dom he was like "What thoughts on Dom?"

I like this. Can someone refer me to what you describe as backtracking?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm I'm going to throw an early vote on JJJ. See what happens.

I may be busy most of today, but I'll try to keep up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm The conversation I'm referring to begins here and carries on to the next page. Kyle's "cart before the horse" comment is where I particularly felt like the backtrack occurred. I was asking him to follow up on his own logic and he accused of that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm The conversation I'm referring to begins here and carries on to the next page. Kyle's "cart before the horse" comment is where I particularly felt like the backtrack occurred. I was asking him to follow up on his own logic and he accused of that.

It wasn't an accusation. I just think you were expecting something deeper that wasn't there. I hadn't done the legwork that I'd set out to do on Jay to determine if there was anything to the vote shenanigans yet and you were asking me to name his teammates. That's backwards.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:59 pm I'm going to throw an early vote on JJJ. See what happens.

I may be busy most of today, but I'll try to keep up.

What are you hoping to see?
What are your thoughts on colonialbob at present?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:08 pmI was hoping to get the ball rolling on the legwork.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:09 am I don't have nearly the time or inclination to answer these prods/accusations, and I won't bother -- the utility of that would be limited anyway. Unfortunately this game has to be about my eleventh priority right now. I am going to provide as much as I possibly can in the way of reads and analysis tomorrow, and if I get lynched so be it. Any civilians out there among my accusers: I can't stop you, but I do encourage you to at least begin considering how you'll proceed in the event that you are wrong -- because you are.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:08 pmI was hoping to get the ball rolling on the legwork.

Yeah but I was hoping to leave and watch the critically acclaimed movie "Get Out" followed by "IT is the thing.

I don't like going deep into scumhunting during night phase or even naming reads at night to be honest. Your whole approach toward me during night made me uncomfortable.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:08 pmI was hoping to get the ball rolling on the legwork.

Yeah but I was hoping to leave and watch the critically acclaimed movie "Get Out" followed by "IT is the thing.

I don't like going deep into scumhunting during night phase or even naming reads at night to be honest. Your whole approach toward me during night made me uncomfortable.

Get Out is soooooo good.

it was pretty good

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:48 pm I watched Get Out twice. Really great.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Are there any other similarities to other games where you were scum that you'd like to share anecdotes about?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:18 pm You're misreading the scenario, Sloonei. I answered your questions directly. The conclusion that Jay was a strong, researched, or even properly thought through suspicion was something you assumed.

I also... wasn't doubting my reasons either? My reasons amounted to "I want to look into Jay because some other people who I trust the judgement of suspect him, and also some wonky bullshit took place at the end of day 3 that may be evidence" and that's as far as I took it. You brought forward questions to me that I hadn't put into consideration yet, because i hadn't taken time to follow through on even doing an ISO on Jay yet, because it was night, and I wanted to play Pokemon and watch spooky movies, instead of digging through forum posts while listening to my classical piano playlist.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:49 pm Jerry Seinfeld was a much more driving force in the Seinfeld game. I know post count isn't everything but he had more than twice the number of posts as the player with the second most number of posts. But there was a lot more of just.... Being on the ground questioning things and getting shit moving which contrasts sharply with his posts here which are typically reactionary or "puke posts" where he throws out a lot at once. His play in Seinfeld, I would describe as.... idk. Soldierlike, whereas his play here seems much more managerial.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:42 pmHave you had a chance to review any of the things that lead you to suspect Jay yet?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:22 pm What is the reason?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.

I'd really prefer you to give us reasons you're town, rather than "I'm not bad you'll regret voting for me because it's what the mafia wants"

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:51 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:09 pm I'm actually not having a jolly ol time. I'm sick. I still have work this week...which is good with Christmas coming, but I have a cold, so not fun. Every time I read a page even when caught up, there is another page to read. And when I go to sleep, I wake up like 10 pages behind. I cannot think straight 'cause I'm sick. Went to the store to get meds and left my phone, that's how much I can't think straight. Sloon is being nit picky with me. I think he expects more from me than I can intellectually give. I'm not an intellectual like so many of you here. I play for fun and to try to keep my mind as sharp as possible as I age. Did I mention I'm sick and feel like crap. My meds didn't even seem to help.

I don't feel a scum eloh would manipulate us in this way, writing a paragraph+ about how ill she feels. I feel this was a genuine cry of frustration. She got really sick, and got behind in the thread. I'm moving Eloh to higher town read now.