Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NVN, why did you move your vote?

Did he move it from Daisy?

Yes.

[Dyslexicon]

I think NVN is it.

[Dyslexicon]

I will vote Daisy to support consensus.

Suspect NVN

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think NVN is it.

Why?

[Dyslexicon]

Can we get consensus for NVN or is it too late?

[Dyslexicon]

I’m good with the poll now. Not clear on Daisy, but suspect NVN the most.

[Dyslexicon]

I think NVN is it.

Why?

Nobody else really fits the description, except maybe Marmot. But why is he self voting. Why dud Daisy vote Nut instead of LC/Lorab for cred?

[Kylemii]

tell me more about nvn

[Dyslexicon]

tell me more about nvn

He needs to explain why he changed his vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think NVN is it.

Why?

Nobody else really fits the description, except maybe Marmot. But why is he self voting. Why dud Daisy vote Nut instead of LC/Lorab for cred?

That depends on the timing of her vote. I can't remember.

What do you think about FZ's handling of Marmot today?

[Dyslexicon]

Daisy, are you still suspicious of JJJ?

[Dyslexicon]

I think NVN is it.

Why?

Nobody else really fits the description, except maybe Marmot. But why is he self voting. Why dud Daisy vote Nut instead of LC/Lorab for cred?

Haven’t read today - sorry. Won’t be able to now =\

I’m cool with the poll and trying Daisy, but hope I get the time to talk to and look into NVN if it’s wrong.

That depends on the timing of her vote. I can't remember.

What do you think about FZ's handling of Marmot today?

[Spacedaisy]

11 minutes to the end of the poll is when I cast my vote. I discussed this fact with nutella later.

Linki: Dizzy I was based on your forced case/vote for him. I mean, there is wifom to consider but honestly I subscribe to the simplest explanation being the most likely. So not really no.

[Spacedaisy]

EBWOP: I wasn't based on your forced, sorry trying to sim at the same time.

P.S. I'm sorry to have been so grumpy the last couple days guys. And FZ in particular to you. I still don't agree with your accusation because it bothers me on a personal level, but I don't think you meant any disrespect and I am sorry for getting so upset about it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

EBWOP: I wasn't based on your forced, sorry trying to sim at the same time.

If it's not Marmot, who do you suspect next?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A potential scenario which would make NVN look worse:

The reason I thought he looked better was his apparent lack of knowledge of why Epignosis was asking for votes on himself. I'd assumed that to be driven by a punishment from This Guy. If it's instead driven by the ghost, then a mafia NVN can still have no idea why that was happening.

[Spacedaisy]

Frankly, I'm at a loss if I am wrong about Marmot. And I won't be around to have to figure it out, so I guess... good luck? If pressed I would reconsider NVN maybe because he has basically been cleared only on the idea his response to Epi's antics seemed natural as far as I can tell. Unless I missed something else. I don't know otherwise. I still just don't see a bad Kyle, so yeah.

Good luck guys.

[Marmot]

Doesn't really matter, but I will love my vote to the Dais.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Doesn't really matter, but I will love my vote to the Dais.

Who is it if it isn't Daisy?

[Dyslexicon]

Moved to Marmot cause frankly he’s scummier of the two.

[DFaraday]

Day 5 - Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Lynch Me a Lynch

The crowd argued endlessly over Daisy and Marmot. They didn't realize that in the background Dizzy was choking and trying to call for help. The mob paid no attention until Dizzy's cane fell to the ground, and another of their group was dead.

Dyslexicon has been lynched, and was Yente.

It is now Night 5. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What the fuck ever.

[Dyslexicon]

I...

Good luck, town.

[MacDougall]

Lame

[FZ.]

WTF?
I was coming in sure the game was over. This sucks big time.
I wonder if the baddie, AKA Daisy, got some bonus because one of the players didn't live up to their punishment or something. Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is the independent role doing something.

I'm still sure it's Daisy. If I die tonight, make sure to lynch her and end the game.

[FZ.]

Daisy, just to be clear again, I wasn't accusing you of faking your real life feelings. I was accusing you of making us feel bad if we lynch you and found out you were a civl

[Kylemii]

did dizzy have any votes during that phase? how were the votes laid out?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I assume Dizzy was victimized in relation to the punishment he received back when he was voting for me. It just took a while.

No matter who lives beyond this night, stick together civilians.

[FZ.]

Stick together means lynch Daisy, no one else.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Works for me.

[FZ.]

One is going to die and one will probably have to do some sort of punishment which would influence the votes. This will leave 5 civvie players who can vote however they want. These five absoloutely need to vote for Daisy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I trust FZ and endorse the above.

[Kylemii]

basically.... if Daisy is mafia then we need to lynch her right away.

If Daisy isn't mafia then putting off her lynch her til last puts us in a bad position in the endgame, it seems like she's the only player that hasn't been eliminated from our initial POE pool.

of course if we can remove her from the pool (or put her deeper into it) before lynching her that's obviously the ideal

[FZ.]

Kyle, I think that if Daisy was a civ, both her and Dyslexicon would have been lynched or dead, because one would be dead because of not living up to their part, and the other because we voted them off. I mean, what does it matter to the baddie which civvie is dead? It doesn't add anything to his winning chances. The fact there is a switch, makes me even more sure it's her.

[Kylemii]

Kyle, I think that if Daisy was a civ, both her and Dyslexicon would have been lynched or dead, because one would be dead because of not living up to their part, and the other because we voted them off. I mean, what does it matter to the baddie which civvie is dead? It doesn't add anything to his winning chances. The fact there is a switch, makes me even more sure it's her.

huh

what do you think the exact events were that took place?

I assumed dyslexicon's death had to do with the constable role force action thing and a punishment related to it giving them a bunch of extra votes or something, but even if it was a flat lynch switch...

why would they both have died?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is all highly speculative. There doesn't have to be a switch or extra votes. My working theory: if Dizzy had a punishment objective and failed to meet it (likely the day they voted for me), then the consequence was being lynched instead of whoever. That could be wrong too. Who knows.

Dizzy definitely had no votes this time anyway. I don't think any of this makes it more or less likely that Daisy is mafia-aligned. I still don't have a better name to offer given that Marmot appears to have been cleared.

Fair warning to all: if you don't have information, please don't give the impression that you do. If you feel I am talking to you here and you want to protest -- please just don't. Leave it alone. Keep it in mind if you don't have information and ignore me if you do.

[Kylemii]

agreed

the next step is still clearing spacedaisy.

nothing's changed.

[FZ.]

Well, given all that's been said and done, I still very strongly believe it's Daisy, and no one else.


As for the speculations, since Dizzy had no votes, I don't believe the baddie had enough votes to overpower her, so I'd rule that out. And since the only baddie left is the one that can inflict punishments, it seems this is what happened. Yes, it can still be that Dizzy was lynched instead of another civvie, but at this point, when the baddie is in desperate need of some advantage, getting one civvie killed over another is not going to give him that advantage. If I were him and my power was useless because civvies refused to do what I ordered them, I would be really pissed and would make sure DF punished them for me. So if infact this is a punishment thing, and it sure looks like it, I can't see Daisy still being a civvie who just got replaced for the lynch. That would just be a waste for the baddie.

[Marmot]

Punish me next Daisy.

Or Guy.

Or whomever does punishing type things.

[novaselinenever]

Punish me next Daisy.

Or Guy.

Or whomever does punishing type things.

How can you punish yourself ?

[MacDougall]

Quiet here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the universe has accepted the outcome.

[MacDougall]

Can we fast forward to post lynching Daisy then?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can we fast forward to post lynching Daisy then?

Whaddya think you'll do then?

[MacDougall]

I'd say probably post something like "fuck yeah".

[DFaraday]

Night 5 - A Blessing and You're Dead, Mazel Tov, Mazel Tov

It was a very still and quiet night in Anatevka. The townsfolk slept uneasily, fearing that This Guy could burst into their home at any point and demand blood. Happily for the townsfolk, This Guy was nowhere to be found on this particular night.

But there was something stirring in Anatevka. A shriek and a howl emanated from the graveyard, and soon a human scream pierced the air from one of their homes. The villagers ran over to find the source of this commotion. Poor FZ was dead as a doornail. She never stood a ghost of a chance.



FZ has been killed by Fruma Sarah. It is now Day 6. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

[DFaraday]

I put this up a little early, but everything was submitted so I figured why not.

[Kylemii]

interesting.

no mafia kill is good and FZ getting removed from the pool of potential "this guys" is also good.

[MacDougall]

We voting Daisy up in here fam.

[MacDougall]

RIP FZ. You did the Lord's work.