The Syndicate

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:24 pm I didn't save epi btw. I just wanted to reduce POE but leave epi alive. I still have 3 bunker saves.

Aliens NOT no killing again makes me think they aren't pushing an agenda of keep POE wide and makes me want to kill into TSP, Dunya, Proto more.

You mean you told a lie?

And with that, I am finally caught up here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market

Fade that.

but muuuuuuum

Shoot Alison, dunya, Caortenoid, Nanook or Tony.

Or Mac.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:21 amOr Mac.

i got a day 4 pass off nutella, me and you are allowed to chillbang... how bout that hooker/poirier fight fark

I'm back. Catching up on everything now.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:43 pm nutella, please shoot carot. she tmid, scumslipped and player saladed and she's dropped off the face of the game after rej and soneji flipped, and yet she's still among us. jay is rolling in his non-playing grave.

dunya, you've said multiple times that I'm your strongest scum lean - in this post you seem to indicate you think carot is also scum. Do you really think everything that went on between me and Carot is just scum theater?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:06 pm I... never thought about a dunya/Dyslexicon team but it seems really unlikely to me right now

Maybe I'll consider it *if* Alison ever flips town

This post feels so slimy tbh. Like she's using her fixation on me as an excuse for why she's refusing to engage with other perspectives.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:14 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:12 pm Actually, do consider Mac. I'm unsure if he would truthfully believe I'm scum here. Alternatively he's 100 % just trolling and don't give a shit. Dunya I give a pass.

please don't try to make people think i am bussing you scum guy

This is probably just town now that Dizzy has flipped green.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:16 pm This went from a group of people thinking to a group of people tearing each other's throat rather quickly lol

Really dislike the wording here - it's like implying that there's no thought behind the recent posts and feels like it's trying to convince us not to pay attention to them or that they're less thought out and based more on kneejerk reactions.

Like what is the town motivation for that post? How does it help you sort people at all? It's casting shade pure and simple.

I just got to the "is proto autistic" stuff and I don't think it's impossible proto has autism (I'm diagnosed with Asperger's myself) but I also don't think it's very relevant for his alignment.

I protected nut last night btw. I hadn't read the thread yet, but saw the notification to protect her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:21 pm Is it bad that I kinda still want to kill sabie/Alison more than dunya/TSP/Proto

Cause I do

what about carot

I don’t actively scumread them

Why did they do something besides talk about mechanics?

carot talked about a lot of stuff besides mechanics

Also are you like still in slanker mode or do you have the time to go through the game now?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:39 pm Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died

i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.

appealing to the opinions of dead players is probably not alignment indicative unless I have specific meta on you, because I've seen too many town players do it. But I think that regardless of alignment it's a bad thing to do because at its core it's an appeal to emotion. You don't know what a dead player does or doesn't think, and even if you do, they can be wrong. This is a horrible way to convince people and isn't logically sound.

And you called out Dizzy for appealing to Hally's townread of them, for much the same reasons, so you definitely know this is not a logically sound thing to be doing dunya

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:22 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:37 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:21 pm Is it bad that I kinda still want to kill sabie/Alison more than dunya/TSP/Proto

Cause I do

what about carot

I don’t actively scumread them

Why did they do something besides talk about mechanics?

carot talked about a lot of stuff besides mechanics

Also are you like still in slanker mode or do you have the time to go through the game now?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:16 pm When you think about it the double no kill means we’re actually basically at D3, otherwise known as pre-nanook locks in time.


(Video mafia with syndicaters sounds fun, I’d love to play with you guys and gals!)

I’m not, like, in full slanker mode but I doubt I’m going to kick it in much more today than I did yesterday. I have two pools I feel reasonably good about tho so I’m mostly OK with seeing how today plays out tbh

I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market

How do you not believe that Epi is town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:28 am I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

What do you think about the way Carot has been fixated on me being scum?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:00 pm Though I'd rather do with people I already know.

Alison can probably host a mini one for syndicats on discord ;p

Also down for audio on the weekend.

I would love that

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:31 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:28 am I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

What do you think about the way Carot has been fixated on me being scum?

Well, it’s a read I mostly share, so....not terrible tbh

Carot’s tough for me to make a good call on cause my time online hasn’t overlapped much with theirs

At some point somebody should see how LC and Hally’s reads overlapped if at all, but idk if that’s gonna be me or not

Also interested in the hard dizzy pushers tbh

The ones before the mechanics thing, that is. They existed IIRC, but I’m not going back to look rn.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:31 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:28 am I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

What do you think about the way Carot has been fixated on me being scum?

Well, it’s a read I mostly share, so....not terrible tbh

Carot’s tough for me to make a good call on cause my time online hasn’t overlapped much with theirs

That is a pretty shallow take on it though. Like agreeing with the read is one thing, but I've constantly emphasized that there's a disparity between Carot's claimed read on me and her actions. Like Carot says I am scum a lot but does very little to actually push me, engage with me, make a case on me, show other people what she sees and why those things paint me as scum... yet is tunnelled enough on me to refuse to consider other pairings simply because I'm not in them, and has basically said she opposes any shot that isn't me.

Does none of that seem AI to you at all?

I feel like every time I ask you to give a take on Carot action X or Carot action Y you like, silently shrug your shoulders and go "I guess that's reasonable" or "yeah I think it's right" or "tbh I'm not convinced by your case on her".

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:36 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:31 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:28 am I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

What do you think about the way Carot has been fixated on me being scum?

Well, it’s a read I mostly share, so....not terrible tbh

Carot’s tough for me to make a good call on cause my time online hasn’t overlapped much with theirs

That is a pretty shallow take on it though. Like agreeing with the read is one thing, but I've constantly emphasized that there's a disparity between Carot's claimed read on me and her actions. Like Carot says I am scum a lot but does very little to actually push me, engage with me, make a case on me, show other people what she sees and why those things paint me as scum... yet is tunnelled enough on me to refuse to consider other pairings simply because I'm not in them, and has basically said she opposes any shot that isn't me.

Does none of that seem AI to you at all?

I mean, different people do different things with their reads, yeah? Like...I personally don’t really push reads usually, I just make them then either try to strongarm people into listening to them or barter with townreads to get them to accept my read if I’ll accept one of theirs or whatever. So like...I don’t think handling a read the way you’re describing is particularly AI, tbh? Now, if she makes the read but keeps pushing other places, that I could see maybe.

Or if you can contrast it to a town game where she handled a strong scum read differently, that would potentially be AI.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:37 am I feel like every time I ask you to give a take on Carot action X or Carot action Y you like, silently shrug your shoulders and go "I guess that's reasonable" or "yeah I think it's right" or "tbh I'm not convinced by your case on her".

I mean you’re not totally wrong, I just don’t have a very strong opinion about her

You keep asking about her and I keep giving you what I think, idk what else you want me to do here lol. I don’t think what you’re pointing out is particularly AI in a vacuum, if you can show it’s different from how they normally play then sure that might be something, otherwise just kinda sounds like they don’t play the way you want them to?

zzz

I'm not sure how to get through to you why I think what I think here

Yeah I mean

I’m not brushing you off without thinking about it, I’m just not seeing someone having a hard SR and not pushing it as AI in a vacuum? Partly cause I myself do that, guess it could be a blind spot, idk

If you were nutella who would you shoot this day phase and why?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:05 am If you were nutella who would you shoot this day phase and why?

My vote’s on you so

Probably you or sabie, for reasons I’ve laid out in the past I believe

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:05 am If you were nutella who would you shoot this day phase and why?

My vote’s on you so

Probably you or sabie, for reasons I’ve laid out in the past I believe

sabie? I don't recall this

Oh, I see it now after checking your ISO, you said tutuu's reads had a sketchy progression. Can you expand on this?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:22 am Oh, I see it now after checking your ISO, you said tutuu's reads had a sketchy progression. Can you expand on this?

I mean

I already expanded on it lol

Tldr version is their progression on you, namely how you went from “Alison is town” to “Alison is tinfoil read but only if they’re bussing carot” to “there’s a mafia between Alison and carot but not both.”

It didn’t feel like a natural progression to me.

I pulled quotes and whatever at some point to back this up, I’m not doing it again at 4:30am lol

Awwwww RIP LC Hope to play with you again soon! If I had to pick from the remaining three of protos plan I'd say dunya is the most sketchy. I felt like from the time I came in I thought she was alien but couldn't quite figure out what it is. Her end of day push on dizzy wasn't great. Some town reads on her came from her saying oh I never would have killed hally.

I also thought carrots end of day wasn't great either. Them saying dont shoot dizzy so they could look like hey see they were town I'm good and then kinda disappearing.


Nanook its funny you don't like tutuus suspicion on allison but you also think allison is bad. You suspect me for something I can't defend or explain. Dizzy agreed with me on the points I made against you and now they're dead.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:16 pm When you think about it the double no kill means we’re actually basically at D3, otherwise known as pre-nanook locks in time.


(Video mafia with syndicaters sounds fun, I’d love to play with you guys and gals!)

Stop slanking. The lack of town kills is not how you track progression. You track progression by counting total bunker saves remaining Vs aliens remaining. Town needs your locks to sort you.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:14 pm Huh I wasn't expecting this night kill
Hmn I don't know who are the last two anymore

The LC kill really confuses me too.

Not universally townread.

Not universally scumread.

Can't figure out what aliens are doing.

Maybe it's just LC wasn't in Nutella POE?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:23 am like, people in nutella's poe. they aren't surviving three phases. better use protects on epi/proto tbh.

like, it's reached a point in the game where coordinating a little bit wouldn't hurt because we can catch the bad guys if we do.

When the math teacher I work with tells me the bells are off, the bells are off.

proto says the bells are off and I've woken up and I believe him. Set those fuckers back 37 seconds.

Nobody needs to protect me. I don't want that.

Nobody needs to protect protoman. Proto doesn't want that (sorry if protoman bothers you- Megaman character).

This is trying to burn up protections and now that I realize proto isn't a scoundrel and honestly believe that shit, I'm all aboard.

You are town (I'm willing to lose the game if you are alien) but it feels like you are intentionally making it look like in this specific post you and me are performing scum theatre.

Protoman is not going to bother me if I am not going to be bothered by you calling me an autistic mathemagician.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:07 am

Dizzy flipping town kind of ruined things in my head. It was supposed to be Dizzy and Tony and we all go home and chew bubblegum.

So you're not a math genius who has this all planned out?

No? Never claimed to be.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:15 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:24 pm I didn't save epi btw. I just wanted to reduce POE but leave epi alive. I still have 3 bunker saves.

Aliens NOT no killing again makes me think they aren't pushing an agenda of keep POE wide and makes me want to kill into TSP, Dunya, Proto more.

You mean you told a lie?

I feel like 5head epi is going to make their reveal today or tomorrow. Which means LC was right. Also means Alison's read was right which was a weird AF one to me. I floated the idea in my head but squashed it. Knowing what I know now about Alison, makes me townread them more we came to similar unlikely motive for Epi, although they had more conviction to hold it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:13 am Like what is the town motivation for that post? How does it help you sort people at all? It's casting shade pure and simple.

I read it as pure commentary rather than casting shade on any logic. I agree after Nutella gave their kill list for Day 2, the posts started coming thick and fast and people were rapid firing reads and theories.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:19 am I just got to the "is proto autistic" stuff and I don't think it's impossible proto has autism (I'm diagnosed with Asperger's myself) but I also don't think it's very relevant for his alignment.

So Alison finding linking me to autism being NAI is good. My methodology can absolutely be applied as mafia which is why I have said twice I am within my mafia range.

It does help Epi solve my alignment though which I can understand.

Additionally it should help others solve epis alignment if they hadn't done so already. Epi has been verified to not kill new people when bad on day 1. Have confirmed Hally was new to Epi. If that is who Epi is as a person, I can't see that same person when the "bad alignment" making an autism read on me(also new person) for town credit. If that is the case, I have said already, I am willing to lose to it and 95% never re-evaluating them again for the remainder of the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:19 am I just got to the "is proto autistic" stuff and I don't think it's impossible proto has autism (I'm diagnosed with Asperger's myself) but I also don't think it's very relevant for his alignment.

So Alison finding linking me to autism being NAI is good. My methodology can absolutely be applied as mafia which is why I have said twice I am within my mafia range.

It does help Epi solve my alignment though which I can understand.

Additionally it should help others solve epis alignment if they hadn't done so already. Epi has been verified to not kill new people when bad on day 1. Have confirmed Hally was new to Epi. If that is who Epi is as a person, I can't see that same person when the "bad alignment" making an autism read on me(also new person) for town credit. If that is the case, I have said already, I am willing to lose to it and 95% never re-evaluating them again for the remainder of the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:19 am I protected nut last night btw. I hadn't read the thread yet, but saw the notification to protect her.

Can you also confirm you didn't bunkersave anyone on night 2? Sorry if you did already.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:35 am At some point somebody should see how LC and Hally’s reads overlapped if at all, but idk if that’s gonna be me or not

Also interested in the hard dizzy pushers tbh

Explain why looking through Hally and LC posts for overlapping reads helps find scum. Do town opinions get better after they die? Do you think aliens are killing town who suspect aliens?

Why aren't you including dizzy in the review.