Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

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i still find it hard to believe you didnt know you could speak outside of thread but it's probably a stupid avenue to pursue in any capacity given its just "i dont believe you" "ok"

ftr I knew we could speak outside the thread :P

for what reason did you decide to willfully not communicate outside of the thread then?

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

lmfao

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

i still find it hard to believe you didnt know you could speak outside of thread but it's probably a stupid avenue to pursue in any capacity given its just "i dont believe you" "ok"

ftr I knew we could speak outside the thread :P

for what reason did you decide to willfully not communicate outside of the thread then?

the need hadn't arisen

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wait vanity is in thread ive been waiting all day for this

vanity vanity vanity!!!!

click this!!!

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trans rights, trans rights, trans rights. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

classic.

would be funnier if we were w and you were v but that's not the case

or maybe it's still funny since we're v and we still think you could be wolfing

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i still find it hard to believe you didnt know you could speak outside of thread but it's probably a stupid avenue to pursue in any capacity given its just "i dont believe you" "ok"

ftr I knew we could speak outside the thread :P

for what reason did you decide to willfully not communicate outside of the thread then?

the need hadn't arisen

i don't understand, and i don't think i will understand, so... okay.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

i also had like six posts in the thread by that point what was i gonna dm jpic about

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wait vanity is in thread ive been waiting all day for this

vanity vanity vanity!!!!

click this!!!

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trans rights, trans rights, trans rights. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

classic.

would be funnier if we were w and you were v but that's not the case

or maybe it's still funny since we're v and we still think you could be wolfing

well now im inclined to claim mafia to make you laugh

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iso'd akemi again and am still coming away with a village read, especially with how nutella switched from two and through to bottom text. if two and through was already determined to be janitored at that point (which i'm not sure is the case but there have been arguments that it was an n0 janitor), then it makes more sense for akemi to just stay on the wagon that's going to be janitored, because we receive 0 information from that. even if bottom text flipped v, we still would've gotten information from that flip.

also i still think they aren't w/w with two and through and two and through just seems like a wolf to me at this point

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

theyre basically all in thread, im pretty hands off right now

why are we off the hook for mech reasons when you've made it clear you don't believe our claim coexists with yours/poop(who you V read, iirc?)

if you think we're a wolf then tunnel us, don't dance around it and save us for a later ML

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

theyre basically all in thread, im pretty hands off right now

why are we off the hook for mech reasons when you've made it clear you don't believe our claim coexists with yours/poop(who you V read, iirc?)

if you think we're a wolf then tunnel us, don't dance around it and save us for a later ML

bruh my top townreads are suggesting to leave you alone for mech reasons, and as someone who is not an expert in mech, i'm not exactly inclined to flat disgree. i'm not going to just selfishly tunnel you in light of that.

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im more just calling out what i see when i see it

not really holding a hand right now

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

theyre basically all in thread, im pretty hands off right now

why are we off the hook for mech reasons when you've made it clear you don't believe our claim coexists with yours/poop(who you V read, iirc?)

if you think we're a wolf then tunnel us, don't dance around it and save us for a later ML

bruh my top townreads are suggesting to leave you alone for mech reasons, and as someone who is not an expert in mech, i'm not exactly inclined to flat disgree. i'm not going to just selfishly tunnel you in light of that.

if you don't believe the mech reasons are sufficient then i don't think it's selfish to do your own thing

if people disagree with you then they won't follow suit

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as an example of "calling things out when i see them" i feel like your last posts regarding me are wolfier than not

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

hats off to gav for finding the only way to use that role and not get a fairly conclusive result

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

theyre basically all in thread, im pretty hands off right now

why are we off the hook for mech reasons when you've made it clear you don't believe our claim coexists with yours/poop(who you V read, iirc?)

if you think we're a wolf then tunnel us, don't dance around it and save us for a later ML

bruh my top townreads are suggesting to leave you alone for mech reasons, and as someone who is not an expert in mech, i'm not exactly inclined to flat disgree. i'm not going to just selfishly tunnel you in light of that.

who is saying this

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hats off to gav for finding the only way to use that role and not get a fairly conclusive result

on one hand "lolseth", on the other, i'd probably claim wolf medium too so i can't blame them

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can you tell me what your reads are bottom text? i've been leaving you alone for a decent chunk of the dayphase and your solving has been less than spectacular to say the least. i understand that you're off the hook for mech reasons but your posts don't convince me that our deathtunnel here is wrong.

theyre basically all in thread, im pretty hands off right now

why are we off the hook for mech reasons when you've made it clear you don't believe our claim coexists with yours/poop(who you V read, iirc?)

if you think we're a wolf then tunnel us, don't dance around it and save us for a later ML

bruh my top townreads are suggesting to leave you alone for mech reasons, and as someone who is not an expert in mech, i'm not exactly inclined to flat disgree. i'm not going to just selfishly tunnel you in light of that.

who is saying this

akemi and poop explosions.

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[VOTE: trans rights] aubergine

this is half because i want to move my vote off of hyena/syn and half because [REDACTED]

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Hi I slept until noon lol what up

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okay so let me go over what you've actually done this dayphase katze.

you called h&v's role a village role for mech reasons,

you called toopy & binoo's claim rand w,

you've shaded us NUMEROUS times,

you call the way mana's claim to not come from a village thought process,

you voted timsuptogettinserious for thinking that you could be a roleblocker when you think if you were a wolf you'd just claim town roleblocker,

and you also contemplate thunderdoming poop explosions, which doesn't go anywhere. beforehand, you say esooa called them villagery, and also called them villagery in a single post.

none of this is inspiring to me. none of this is showing me that you're a villager that truly believes in their reads. in fact, i can't even get a sense of what your reads are. this is why i'm asking you what your reads. do you think the team is me/timsuptogettinserious/mana or something? i guess it's plausible given we've essentially been defending each other. well, forget about all those times i've called their posts wolfy but whatever. like i don't actually see conviction in your reads based on how you're hopping around. if you're saying your posts can cause me to clearly know what a reads list from you would look like, then i'm just gonna have to go bs.

like here's my rough draft based on ONLY this dayphase:

villagers:
poop explosions
toopy & binoo? somewhat based on last dayphase
honey & vinegar

wolves:
trans rights
timsuptogettinserious
mana

is this an accurate representation of what you think about the game? if you think you have the game close to solved, why aren't you acting like it? what i'm calling you out for is a disparity between how you're approaching the dayphase, and your reads. you didn't follow through with your timsuptogettinserious read, and chalked it up to "emotions", you also called out mana for their claim but are not voting them at this point, and your approach to our slot has only seemed to throw as much shade to us as possible. am i supposed to know you're an obvious villager from this dayphase or something? because you seem less like a villager and more like someone in anti-spew. i do have it somewhat indoctrinated into me that "all over the place" doesn't equal wolfy, but seriously, what are you doing?

let me also point out that, while you had a problem with me calling you mechanically minded, a good majority of your reads have ALSO been centered around mechanics, so can you tell me what's up with that? how are you actually approaching this dayphase? what are your reads, without actually dodging the question? and for the love of everything good and holy, why should you be an obvious villager at this point and why am i a wolf for thinking you're a wolf, yet i'm not pushing you for mech reasons? i will also say it's somewhat based on thread temperature. falconknows has been the top wagon for the entire day and it doesn't look like that's changing without some shifting.

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i'm still probably going to vote falconknows at this rate, and mist doesn't have objections towards that. i also don't know if she's going to show up or when she'll be here. my play makes no sense this game if i'm a wolf.

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can you also let me know what your stance on two and through's alignment is bottom text?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

@Akemi Hazelnut if FK and I are town, who is bad?

@FalconKnows if AH and I are both town, who’s bad?

ugh idk probably h&v/bottomtext with a chance of poop or tr deepwolfing me

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did mana's flurry of posts swing you one way or another nutella?

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you called h&v's role a village role for mech reasons,

i specifically said that i think the "including self" part was probably >rand V, and then took that back some time later when i considered a few other things (mostly town KP vs wolf KP, it could just be a worse wolf vengeful?) and am currently kinda shrugze on it tbh

you called toopy & binoo's claim rand w,

i did?

i think all i said was "they shouldn't be cleared for claiming medium because i've seen people fake medium several times but it's still seth who is probably still a villager"

you've shaded us NUMEROUS times,

probably exaggerated but im not going to factcheck

you call the way mana's claim to not come from a village thought process,

correct

you voted timsuptogettinserious for thinking that you could be a roleblocker when you think if you were a wolf you'd just claim town roleblocker,

if i were a wolf roleblocker who roleblocked mana n1 i'd have claimed town roleblocker roleblocking mana n1 if i wanted a safe claim, yes

that's a huge fucking if for like 5 different reasons but ive already gotten annoyed at this insinuation

and you also contemplate thunderdoming poop explosions, which doesn't go anywhere. beforehand, you say esooa called them villagery, and also called them villagery in a single post.

sounds like me

none of this is inspiring to me. none of this is showing me that you're a villager that truly believes in their reads. in fact, i can't even get a sense of what your reads are. this is why i'm asking you what your reads. do you think the team is me/timsuptogettinserious/mana or something? i guess it's plausible given we've essentially been defending each other. well, forget about all those times i've called their posts wolfy but whatever. like i don't actually see conviction in your reads based on how you're hopping around. if you're saying your posts can cause me to clearly know what a reads list from you would look like, then i'm just gonna have to go bs.

thats pretty wolfy of me lol

and no thats probably not the team

like here's my rough draft based on ONLY this dayphase:

villagers:
poop explosions
toopy & binoo? somewhat based on last dayphase
honey & vinegar

wolves:
trans rights
timsuptogettinserious
mana

yes
yes
eh

trending downwards but not wolf yet
no
probably

is this an accurate representation of what you think about the game? if you think you have the game close to solved, why aren't you acting like it? what i'm calling you out for is a disparity between how you're approaching the dayphase, and your reads. you didn't follow through with your timsuptogettinserious read, and chalked it up to "emotions", you also called out mana for their claim but are not voting them at this point, and your approach to our slot has only seemed to throw as much shade to us as possible. am i supposed to know you're an obvious villager from this dayphase or something? because you seem less like a villager and more like someone in anti-spew. i do have it somewhat indoctrinated into me that "all over the place" doesn't equal wolfy, but seriously, what are you doing?

i don't think timsuptogettingserious is a wolf, they made a series of posts i strongly disagreed with and found to be incredibly likely to be a fake string of posts (and i still struggle to see eye to eye with said posts) but have found the rest of their phase to be villagery

i was voting mana earlier, i still have no qualms voting them really

i don't think im shading you that much

if i explained to you why i think my play is very villagery then i think it invalidates my play; you can just say "oh so you're doing X for towncred okay wolfze"

katze doesn't know what antispew is

i am doing katze things

let me also point out that, while you had a problem with me calling you mechanically minded, a good majority of your reads have ALSO been centered around mechanics, so can you tell me what's up with that? how are you actually approaching this dayphase? what are your reads, without actually dodging the question? and for the love of everything good and holy, why should you be an obvious villager at this point and why am i a wolf for thinking you're a wolf, yet i'm not pushing you for mech reasons? i will also say it's somewhat based on thread temperature. falconknows has been the top wagon for the entire day and it doesn't look like that's changing without some shifting.

i don't know that's a bit hypocritical of me when you put it like that but i think i took issue to your specific phrasing of that read. not gonna look for it right now, maybe in a bit. my reads are becoming more and more mechanics based because this game is becoming more and more mechanics based, and while i'm personally a believer of "reads > mechanics" i also... don't ignore mechanics. growing up in the bullshit rolemadness that is FoL taught me that they are unfortunately important at times.

im approaching this day phase mostly hands off. it's harder to get a grasp in this game than it usually is for me, for various reasons. my position is the worst medium of pariah and player, where i barely even get the benefit of reading people based off of their approach to me (in which i think poop/synhyena have had varying levels of good approaches to me) but i'm still feeling like my takes are taken with very small grains of salt because i'm considered a borderline outted wolf. this, combined with the fact that i am basically soloing a hydra game today (admittedly i could prod esooa harder), makes it hard to really... do things for me. take that how you will

i'll follow up on the reads part in a later post.

i don't think you're a wolf specifically for pushing me, but i think your push on me is among the worst of what i've seen today and your approach to me this page in particular (barring the post i am currently replying to) has been kinda bad. i think you've trended down a bit today overall, but that's mostly off of gut shit. the fact mist feels like they've kinda disappeared isn't helping but i think that's due to real life shit more than anything so im trying to ignore that part.

falcon being the top wagon all day is noted and i have exactly zero view on that slot.

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can you also let me know what your stance on two and through's alignment is bottom text?

3p>wolf>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>town

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i specifically still lean 3p over wolf but maintain that they are very likely to not be a villager

i do think solving with V!TaT worlds in the back of your mind is like, fine? but definitely a lower priority; i think their EoD in particular wasn't exactly villagery since i recall them just ghosting the thread and last second silently voting us in an effort to self-pres where i don't recall them ever expressing any temperature of wolfread on our slot

not that really anyone did until right before EoD but

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and also i think seth is still probably just town and in that case their claim leans me stronger to them being non-town

i vaguely recall someone mentioning tim/hk both being stubborn, this doesnt sound incorrect from my experience, but i'm pretty sure hk is someone who'd stab me at the thought of me claiming cop as non-cop and i think as a dead janitored villager you are doing a massive disservice to your alignment to not be more cooperative to a medium, because at the worst you're giving the wolves a fakeclaim?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

did mana's flurry of posts swing you one way or another nutella?

i think it was somewhat towny yeah

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i find it slightly disingenuous that you're calling our push onto you the worst of the day when you don't even disagree with a majority of my points regarding why i think you're a wolf

i do recognize that you aren't calling that specific post bad but

the amount that you shaded me is at least like 3-4 posts. it's been frequent occurrence this dayphase as far as i know, and you should KNOW that i read your iso based on that post.

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voting me is useless katze. you should know this. if you think mana is a wolf, case them because they have 0 votes.

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i find it slightly disingenuous that you're calling our push onto you the worst of the day when you don't even disagree with a majority of my points regarding why i think you're a wolf

i do recognize that you aren't calling that specific post bad but

the amount that you shaded me is at least like 3-4 posts. it's been frequent occurrence this dayphase as far as i know, and you should KNOW that i read your iso based on that post.

i say it how i see/feel it, haters can disagree

i mean i think your large post i just replied to is a post most wolves don't write, admittedly; and while i assume you categorize yourself as a "not like other wolves" kind of player i think you're strong enough to get nominated as the backup MU rep (gz again btw) so clearly there's something there. still tempted to push you back up a peg for it but i'll reconsider it later

you know my iso better than i know it, but im not going to iso myself when i barely want to iso other people just to fact check you

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voting me is useless katze. you should know this. if you think mana is a wolf, case them because they have 0 votes.
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i do know that. and if you've read my posts you should probably know that i've written out pretty extensively why i think manas approach to their claim was wolfy and probably TMIed me town and given you're making it a point that you've read my iso im not entirely sure what more you want from me

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voting me is useless katze. you should know this. if you think mana is a wolf, case them because they have 0 votes.

i do know that. and if you've read my posts you should probably know that i've written out pretty extensively why i think manas approach to their claim was wolfy and probably TMIed me town and given you're making it a point that you've read my iso im not entirely sure what more you want from me

whoops

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fwiw i missed that you voted mana. my eyes were mostly grabbed by the post where you talked about why you thought the claim was bs, so i'll rescind that point.

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voting me is useless katze. you should know this. if you think mana is a wolf, case them because they have 0 votes.

i do know that. and if you've read my posts you should probably know that i've written out pretty extensively why i think manas approach to their claim was wolfy and probably TMIed me town and given you're making it a point that you've read my iso im not entirely sure what more you want from me

whoops

is it only based on the claim and not their gameplay? i've seen something that makes me think mana's claim of being blocked might be legitimate but i'll leave it at that.

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voting me is useless katze. you should know this. if you think mana is a wolf, case them because they have 0 votes.

i do know that. and if you've read my posts you should probably know that i've written out pretty extensively why i think manas approach to their claim was wolfy and probably TMIed me town and given you're making it a point that you've read my iso im not entirely sure what more you want from me

whoops

is it only based on the claim and not their gameplay? i've seen something that makes me think mana's claim of being blocked might be legitimate but i'll leave it at that.

their gameplay didn't inspire me either but i'd be lying if i said it was strongly based off of that

and what you're talking about is why im no longer voting mana, and we are extremely subtle

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i guess you talked about how mana didn't really do anything during d1 but at this point, the slot has done stuff, and theoretically if they're a wolf, their posts should show it.

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Yo, not reading that shit.

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

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tbh vanity if you ISOed me today im surprised you didnt pick up on the blatant contradiction i did earlier today that i was worried people would jump on me for

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im reading falcon iso

stupid read: villager for fakeclaiming their flavor

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[VOTE: Mana] aubergine is mafia or the wolves are all deep.

annnnnnnddd it's gone

(I scum read this for the "or the wolves are deep", not the vote. The vote makes sense, the reasoning is on the nose af if scum in a "HAHAHAH FOOLED YOU" kinda way)

Lmao okay I was mostly just thinking "sheep Mac" until I checked pings

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something that does stick out to me is, while mana has some against the grain reads on poop explosions and akemi, they're still pushing the lead wagon. i'm back and forth on if that's wolfy or not so that's why i'm throwing it out for others to chew on.

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it'd be cool if Haley was mafia due to flavour

lol'd at this

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I see that help has still not been sent
Please
Anyone that values van

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i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

what you want to know?

Yeah, what Bo said. Whatcha wanna know?

vaguely villagery string of posts for more stupid reasons

I just got really tinfoily but I like it a lot

still want to hear what this is about

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tbh vanity if you ISOed me today im surprised you didnt pick up on the blatant contradiction i did earlier today that i was worried people would jump on me for

if it's related to your role, we did pick up on that. i'm still reading to see if you're referring to something else.

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my conclusion is "probably not W/W with the janitored player"

this is helpful

why are they top wagon

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So Mana's been getting all the talk all day

Everyone has them in PoE
Half the game has them as a wolf
Constant point of discussion

No wagon