The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know, but saying something such as "Hey, you don't have info on me" seems like a reflexive response from a baddie. LC just said that he doesn't, so emphasizing that point seemed unnecessary. Perhaps I am reading it too deeply.

Long Con wrote:Bullzeye, TH seeming "reasonably good" most of the game is hardly an indicator of Civvieness. He's a very good player, I expect him to be able to do something that simple. It's the players that go out on a limb and take risks that I trust more, not the ones that seem good.

S~V~S wrote:What I think my problem was, was that I had totally the wrong idea about who cursed me the other day. And when I flipped it in my head, reading things without that bias I started to get a better understanding of what people were saying. Things kinda clicked, so thanks MM for making me reread with a different mindset.

I could vote for Liz or Epi. I do think he is probably bad. Don't love voting for the cursed, but I could still vote for him.

I would prefer a Liz vote but the time I had hoped to spend pulling quotes went to arguing with Rabbit. An old and fun pastime that I have missed

Gotta say that Juliets Coffee thing was weird. Like someone said JC in chat and had to explain what it stood for. I know people suspect slips more than they actually happen, but that was very odd.

S~V~S wrote:What I think my problem was, was that I had totally the wrong idea about who cursed me the other day. And when I flipped it in my head, reading things without that bias I started to get a better understanding of what people were saying. Things kinda clicked, so thanks MM for making me reread with a different mindset.

I could vote for Liz or Epi. I do think he is probably bad. Don't love voting for the cursed, but I could still vote for him.

I would prefer a Liz vote but the time I had hoped to spend pulling quotes went to arguing with Rabbit. An old and fun pastime that I have missed

Gotta say that Juliets Coffee thing was weird. Like someone said JC in chat and had to explain what it stood for. I know people suspect slips more than they actually happen, but that was very odd.

juliets wrote:Long Con and Metalmarsh have about convinced me Epi is the right person to vote for this lynch. The only problem is I'm one of the old school Rev people who believes that voting for people who can't reply is unsportsmanlike. On the other side of the coin, he has been able to respond to LC prior to this insanification and I don't think he's done a very good job of that. If you disagree with me I would appreciate you pointing me to the post where he puts on a good defense. And in this game, it's safer from a millionaire standpoint to vote together.

I normally hold my vote until I'm reasonably sure no bombshell is going to hit so I will do the same today and meanwhile think about voting for someone who can't reply in this particular case.

linki

S~V~S wrote:What I think my problem was, was that I had totally the wrong idea about who cursed me the other day. And when I flipped it in my head, reading things without that bias I started to get a better understanding of what people were saying. Things kinda clicked, so thanks MM for making me reread with a different mindset.

I could vote for Liz or Epi. I do think he is probably bad. Don't love voting for the cursed, but I could still vote for him.

I would prefer a Liz vote but the time I had hoped to spend pulling quotes went to arguing with Rabbit. An old and fun pastime that I have missed

Gotta say that Juliets Coffee thing was weird. Like someone said JC in chat and had to explain what it stood for. I know people suspect slips more than they actually happen, but that was very odd.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

S~V~S wrote:Liz has said she has not played with this group, iirc when she first joined she said she stumbled on us in a search engine or something to that effect.

She referred to Juliet's as Juliets Coffee. She has not used that name here. The explanation LiZ gave did not ring true to me. So where did she hear that? In a chatroom? It was just an odd thing for her to say.

LizKeen wrote:

juliets wrote:I did not play games at Lostpedia as Juliets Coffee. I played as ImaPisces. And how many games did you read at Rev?

I was trying to quote and paste and answer on my phone and posted the wrong site. I didn't play at Lostpedia that meant to say Hedville. And probably 2 or 3. I decided not to play there because people looked like they were being really nasty to each other. It's one of the reasons I quit all together. I played at The Piano once or twice too. Can't remember the name of the site before that.

S~V~S wrote:Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

Okay my votes: Day 1 I voted Zombarella because I didn't feel bf would have been so bold if he was a baddie. I voted Zombarella because there wasn't much to go on and I thought that comment she made might have been outing herself.


Day 2 I didn't think MM was bad most especially based on those posts the last day. But I missed the vote. I was less sure about Zombarella because from the ear phones I knew the mafia planned to put the doctors ability on whoever Zomba voted for. I took that to mean they were going to set Zomba up to look suspicious. Hence, why I told her to be careful where she put her vote. I wanted to vote you that day but that didn't seem to be where anyone else was looking and I didn't want to vote MM.

Day 3 I still wasn't sure about Zomb, especially with those posts she made right before I voted but as I've explained more than once I thought the lynch the next day might come down to her or me and I wasn't going to vote myself. Had I had a chance to be around closer to the vote I probably would have voted Zompatti because I already pointed out his posts were less than useful. I know its easy to say after the fact. I can say if I had been a baddie teammate with Zombarella I would not have voted her that early even to save myself. Again I have no way to prove this.

Day 4 I voted DP because I couldn't wrap my brain around him having that elephant charm unless he was the beast. Yes, it's been said the celestials might want it for something and yes it's also been pointed out all sorts of game mechanics could have accounted for it. I wasn't willing to chance a duck is a duck.

Vompatti as I've said twice now seems to want to be voted for. Which could explain his useless odd posts. No, I won't vote for him at least not right now because either he's the millionaire or for some reason wants us to think that. If he is is the millionaire then by my count he has 8 votes already (that could explain the day 1 self-vote) and who knows how much power and if one of those powers is the ability to avoid a lynch I don't want to waste a vote AND give him more power.

You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Epignosis wrote:
I see you
I see you though your eyes can tell lies I sympathize

Well that's creepy. What am I wearing?

S~V~S wrote:
And I was tryig to disguise myself in a sock puppet game. And gone for the day =/= insanified. At Rm & LP, generally lynching those unable to defend was not done. I still don;t like to do it, and I know there are others who feel as i do. Call us old ladies.

I don't like to do it either. But I refuse to grow old and as to whether I'm a lady it depends on who you ask. :P

However, Epi seems to do quite well posting in song.


Or maybe not. I have no idea what this means:

Epignosis wrote:
Sol, Dhoop
Sun
Ilios
Naytheet
Ah Kin
Saule
Tonatiuh
Qurax
Gunes, Grian
Surie
Ir
Samse

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I feel your pain.

Dom wrote:LC isn't the only one accusing you.
Why are you ignoring me?

S~V~S wrote:Liz has said she has not played with this group, iirc when she first joined she said she stumbled on us in a search engine or something to that effect.

She referred to Juliet's as Juliets Coffee. She has not used that name here. The explanation LiZ gave did not ring true to me. So where did she hear that? In a chatroom? It was just an odd thing for her to say.

S~V~S wrote:Liz has said she has not played with this group, iirc when she first joined she said she stumbled on us in a search engine or something to that effect.

She referred to Juliet's as Juliets Coffee. She has not used that name here. The explanation LiZ gave did not ring true to me. So where did she hear that? In a chatroom? It was just an odd thing for her to say.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:LC isn't the only one accusing you.
Why are you ignoring me?

Because Dom, all you said to me was "So you know who Luke is?" followed by "I do not think you do" followed by "I am doubting TH is civ tbh". I don't really have anything to say about any of that, and they read like petty accusations. I never implied I knew who Luke was, and it's not something I would discuss openly if I did. Give me something worth replying to and I'll respond

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?

I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

Really now, is that what you think?

Dom wrote:Really? Because you vehemently disagreed with LC here:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?

I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

Really now, is that what you think?

I read this as a role claim or a claim that you know who the safe cracker is.
Why?

Dom wrote:I read this as a role claim or a claim that you know who the safe cracker is.
Why?

LizKeen wrote:I feel like the Celestials and the mafia are voting the same people. I can see why the mafia would do it but is there some reasoning the Celestials would do it? Either that or there's some recruited folk.

LizKeen wrote: Is there usually this much requoting in Syndicate games? I'm really wondering if it's a mafia tactic just to be a massive distraction. If so then you're doing well.

LizKeen wrote:I think the simple solution is we're going to have to come up for new words for theory and Possibility, for clarification purposes.

Speaking of which, has anyone theorized the possibility the millionaire could gain more power to recruit?

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why?

Because I couldn't get past that he had the elephant charm and I didn't understand why anyone would want to steal that item.

LizKeen wrote: Like you pointed out, I voted early because it was either that or chance missing another vote and at that point I had no way of knowing how the lynch was going to go. The suspicion at that point seemed to be me or Zomberella so a vote on Vompatti wouldn't have made sense. If you look at the posts you 'll see I wasn't back that day before the vote. Given how many votes he got that day and that post he made yesterday I think it may be a very good thing he didn't get any more votes. It seems he actually wants them. And actually my suspect list hasn't changed much, if at all. My only problem is there's about 7 people on it and there's supposedly only 4 mafia left.

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:There is something bothering me after reading your posts, I have to read again and try to put the posts in context, and make them fit with your voting record.

Make them fit? Just to make me look bad?

LizKeen wrote: Vompatti as I've said twice now seems to want to be voted for. Which could explain his useless odd posts. No, I won't vote for him at least not right now because either he's the millionaire or for some reason wants us to think that. If he is is the millionaire then by my count he has 8 votes already (that could explain the day 1 self-vote) and who knows how much power and if one of those powers is the ability to avoid a lynch I don't want to waste a vote AND give him more power.

LizKeen wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Bullzeye wrote:

LizKeen wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Touched on this previously, but I'm going to mention it again. Seems like she was expecting trust or some kind of defense from MM for not going after him.

juliets wrote:Bullz the slip discussion is from a recent post. I think you did a good job laying out a case. Are you thinking of voting Liz instead of Epi today?

juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.

I don't know actually. I've only been bad with Epi once that I can remember and he distanced from us by killing off three of our team in one night. Granted, those circumstances were vastly different. I'm not sure of his attitude to distancing but anything is possible really.

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.

I don't know actually. I've only been bad with Epi once that I can remember and he distanced from us by killing off three of our team in one night. Granted, those circumstances were vastly different. I'm not sure of his attitude to distancing but anything is possible really.

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.

I don't know actually. I've only been bad with Epi once that I can remember and he distanced from us by killing off three of our team in one night. Granted, those circumstances were vastly different. I'm not sure of his attitude to distancing but anything is possible really.

Vompatti wrote:In this moment I am voting for Turnip Head.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think I'm going to go with Epig this time though. Him bringing up the whole "info" thing before LC ever mentioned it in his case still seems really fishy to me.

Canucklehead wrote:Also, fwiw, if Epi flips bad I would be very unsurprised to find that LizKen is the millionaire and that anyone dropping votes on her late is a teammate looking to mitigate the loss of Epi by increasing her power.
Just a thought.

S~V~S wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Also, fwiw, if Epi flips bad I would be very unsurprised to find that LizKen is the millionaire and that anyone dropping votes on her late is a teammate looking to mitigate the loss of Epi by increasing her power.
Just a thought.

Do you have anyone in mind? Since, you know, I said I was voting late and probably voting for Liz?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And Jules, no one ever said Liz had a will. Or anyone but Zomba.

I got nothing now.

Epignosis wrote:Zmb & LzKn bth mssd vt.

I explained why I missed the vote. I wasn't even here. I did not get penalized.

I am so utterly frustrated with this game! People are picking and choosing which of my posts to bring up as it suits their needs. If I'm so bad who exactly are my teammates? Noone! Let me say this AGAIN..I wasn't trying to protect Zomba, I posted 2 or 3 pages back what I heard night 1 and I took it that the doctor was going to target Zomba's vote to make her look bad and set her up for a day 3 lynch. Later I realized this also could have been an attempt to make distance themselves from her. I would love to hear other opinions on how they would take it. As there seems to be a lot of legitimate suspicion on her I have no idea if we're falling right into their hands or not. Does noone care that what I heard flat out makes Turniphead's post about the doctor-to make MM look bad-a lie? Juliet, so much has gone on since I posted who I was originally suspicious of...remind me who you want my take on again. At this point it just appears I've made myself an easy lynch target and that sucks. If that succeeds and you all have to start saying my bad I would be taking a long look at Epignosis, Juliet's Coffee and Elohcin, TH and Vomp. (And sorry, I do apologize for mistaking your gender)



I also meant to answer earlier whoever it was that commented on the Zelda game having a lot of requoted posts. I played that game a few months ago. I've slept since then. I don't remember. I wish I had eidetic memory. I only remembered about Fingersplints because I was suspicious of her at once point and found out when the game was over I was wrong.

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

Smash her face then!!!!!

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?

Born in the night
She would run like a leopard
That freaks at the sight
Of a mind close beside herself
And the nearer I came
How the country would change
She was using the landscape
To hide herself.

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.

And all the pieces fit forever
In the game.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?

Born in the night
She would run like a leopard
That freaks at the sight
Of a mind close beside herself
And the nearer I came
How the country would change
She was using the landscape
To hide herself.

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.

And all the pieces fit forever
In the game.

I... have no idea what this means.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:5 smashcoins says that SVS votes LizKeen today.

Smash her face then!!!!!

Cyber-smash. Here I come SVS!!!!!