The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Anastasia 'Dee' Dualla - Dee is the voice people hear on the other end of the line, as she is the one who relays the Admirals orders to the viper pilots as they fight. Her voice brings them home. Once in the game, Dee can PM the host during a night phase and stop any human death during that night. If Dee attempts to use this ability unsuccessfully (that is, she does not prevent any human kill that night), she retains the ability until she uses it successfully.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If I have a town read on you for whatever reason or to whatever degree, would you prefer that I broadcast it into the thread or keep it closer to the vest? Your answers might have a real effect on my treatment of you in this game, so lemme get 'em.

Silverwolf wrote:Someone asked what FoS means:

FoS=Finger of Suspicion

A term (abbreviated FoS) used to formally indicate "you're being watched." It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you"; typically in cases where the person doing the fingering does not want to actually vote the suspicious player.

FoS is used as a game mechanic; however, they can still be an important part of games when used as pseudovotes.

pseudovotes-In instances where a game mechanic makes voting risky or useless, pseudovotes are used instead. These are simply unofficial votes that are not counted by the moderator, but kept up with by the players themselves.

I'm probably gonna use this this game until I'm ready to vote for real.

Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy today so not sure how much I will be able to post. Just a heads up.

LoRab wrote:I can only hope that some of the puzzles/events don't involve tilde solving...neither my favorite nor what I'm good at.

Silverwolf wrote:Someone asked what FoS means:

FoS=Finger of Suspicion

A term (abbreviated FoS) used to formally indicate "you're being watched." It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you"; typically in cases where the person doing the fingering does not want to actually vote the suspicious player.

FoS is used as a game mechanic; however, they can still be an important part of games when used as pseudovotes.

pseudovotes-In instances where a game mechanic makes voting risky or useless, pseudovotes are used instead. These are simply unofficial votes that are not counted by the moderator, but kept up with by the players themselves.

I'm probably gonna use this this game until I'm ready to vote for real.

Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy today so not sure how much I will be able to post. Just a heads up.

I think SVS was just asking what it stood for (I had the same thought process as SVS as this one, actually). I don't want to assume her thoughts, but I know I was also trying to remember what it stood for when she asked the question.

So, within this mafia culture, it's basically saying you're suspish of someone or they are pinging your suspiciometer...which is how I think we all were understanding it (at least I was).

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:I can only hope that some of the puzzles/events don't involve tilde solving...neither my favorite nor what I'm good at.

Silverwolf wrote:Someone asked what FoS means:

FoS=Finger of Suspicion

A term (abbreviated FoS) used to formally indicate "you're being watched." It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you"; typically in cases where the person doing the fingering does not want to actually vote the suspicious player.

FoS is used as a game mechanic; however, they can still be an important part of games when used as pseudovotes.

pseudovotes-In instances where a game mechanic makes voting risky or useless, pseudovotes are used instead. These are simply unofficial votes that are not counted by the moderator, but kept up with by the players themselves.

I'm probably gonna use this this game until I'm ready to vote for real.

Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy today so not sure how much I will be able to post. Just a heads up.

I think SVS was just asking what it stood for (I had the same thought process as SVS as this one, actually). I don't want to assume her thoughts, but I know I was also trying to remember what it stood for when she asked the question.

So, within this mafia culture, it's basically saying you're suspish of someone or they are pinging your suspiciometer...which is how I think we all were understanding it (at least I was).

Do you say suspiciometer like "Suspishy O'Meter", or do you emphasize the 'O' like in speedometer?

DrumBeats wrote:My mafia experience is pretty good, I've been playing off and on at Bulbagarden for about 3-4 years. The site has a mix of experienced and inexperienced players, so I've played with both types of people a lot.

There definitely is the option of faking a townslip, hence the minor townread on it. I just thought it should be noted since nobody had called attention to it yet.

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:@golden, i put my vote on you only for viewing purpous. i will be doing that every phase untill i vote proper is that ok?

I think Golden explained that.

Golden wrote: The vote in the thread is the one that counts for game purposes.

The vote in the poll is merely so that everyone has a good visual aid to understand where the votes have gone.

It is against the rules to deliberately mislead by casting the two differently or at different times. Since it is clear you had no intent to mislead, I'll overlook it in this case. But everyone should be very careful not to vote in the poll until they know where their vote is going. I reserve the right to hold people to their poll vote in the thread.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:@golden, i put my vote on you only for viewing purpous. i will be doing that every phase untill i vote proper is that ok?

ika, you can hit view results to see the poll results without doing any voting-Just an FYI.

i know but its a pin to contstantly click it over and over when i wan tto view it

That would negate the purpose of being able to have a good visual aid to understand where the votes have gone, I'd think.

And it's more of a pain to have to go through every players posts in order to see where their vote is. The poll has a purpose. Why don't you want to vote in the poll? I can't help but wonder if it's to hide your votes in the thread throughout the game...

SokothQultuq wrote:Sorry I was unable to assist with the Cypher, usually I'm on top of things but was tied up. But I'm ripped rocked and ready to roll. So say we all!

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:im curious why zebra was here but never made any comments

Excuse me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

ika wrote:ok now i have light town read on silver.

im getting tired too

silver can i call soon we should need sleep

In both of your Syndicate mafia-aligned games, among your earliest contributions was to provide a town read on Silverwolf. What inspires this read, and more importantly to me: why is it "slight"?

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

yes. i know silvers meta and play like the back of my hand. i know what she does as scum and town

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

yes. i know silvers meta and play like the back of my hand. i know what she does as scum and town

Oh boy, my turn on the Silver and ika Meta Show.

So she would actively signal you that she is scum, if you were town, by doing the thing she knows you'd expect her to do as scum?

clarify i don't fully understand?

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

For why?

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Would scum Silver have abstained from contributing to such a challenge?

yes. i know silvers meta and play like the back of my hand. i know what she does as scum and town

Oh boy, my turn on the Silver and ika Meta Show.

So she would actively signal you that she is scum, if you were town, by doing the thing she knows you'd expect her to do as scum?

clarify i don't fully understand?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

For why?

for your posts.

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

She would do it cus she would not know what to do, even if she did post i would be able to see that her post were either

A) out of place
B) have a scum motivation behind it

her post also follow a certain tone and style that she can not fake no matter how hard she tries. we have dicussed it over many days and many hours in the past so is there a point to this?

Asking for letters and trying to figure out what a message would convey doesn't sound like a hard task to feign interest in.

There is a point in me asking if Silver wouldn't have contributed to the challenge if bad and if she would have done so, knowing that you (if town) would pick up on it being a scumtell. At which I remained incredulous that she would willingly signal that she's bad by not doing something.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

good thin i do have reasons but not saying just yet, you should know of all people that i dont do cases and any reason i do is very crappy at best

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

She would do it cus she would not know what to do, even if she did post i would be able to see that her post were either

A) out of place
B) have a scum motivation behind it

her post also follow a certain tone and style that she can not fake no matter how hard she tries. we have dicussed it over many days and many hours in the past so is there a point to this?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

good thin i do have reasons but not saying just yet, you should know of all people that i dont do cases and any reason i do is very crappy at best

ika wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

what?

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:rico is leaning scum right now
better town read on silver
vompii might be town?

im here for talk if people like

as for the argument about sig making the question is kinda getting moot at this point, as cylon he has little to no porupous asking it publicly,

The purpose would be to make thinkers like you believe he isn't a Cylon. If I'm going to read sig as anything for having the question, it is Civ, because I also had the same question in my mind.

Yes but you have to be consciously thinking to ask the question. if your cylon its not going to pop in your head at first sight

And you know how the culinary would think because...

But seriously, what about bero's posts about why it is more likely a cylon asking. I think it was Nero at least. Apologies if I am misremembering who said it.

Townread Lorab because a Cylon would know they are not called Culinarys. And wasn't it sig?

Ricochet wrote:EBWOP I'm drowning in editing quote tags already

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
If Silver would know that not contributing to a common challenge is her scum tell and that you would pick up on it, why would she do the thing (not contributing) that would make you pick up on her being scum?

She would do it cus she would not know what to do, even if she did post i would be able to see that her post were either

A) out of place
B) have a scum motivation behind it

her post also follow a certain tone and style that she can not fake no matter how hard she tries. we have dicussed it over many days and many hours in the past so is there a point to this?

Asking for letters and trying to figure out what a message would convey doesn't sound like a hard task to feign interest in.

There is a point in me asking if Silver wouldn't have contributed to the challenge if bad and if she would have done so, knowing that you (if town) would pick up on it being a scumtell. At which I remained incredulous that she would willingly signal that she's bad by not doing something.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote: Ah, I was worried it was for my looks.

I'll wait for you to develop actual reasons, then.

good thin i do have reasons but not saying just yet, you should know of all people that i dont do cases and any reason i do is very crappy at best

Ricochet wrote:How does an autocorrect go from Cylons to Culinary when Nylon is right around the corner?

Ricochet wrote:@Beats

I don't see how it can veer towards a townslip. If the design is faithful to the show, the certain Cylons have no memory of who the Final Five Cylons are. So the question could come from:

-- town Sig having no clue if he's Final Five (not received in his role at the start of the game)
-- town Sig having no clue how the Final Five will be revealed, regardless of him turning up as such or not, or
-- Cylon Sig trying to find out how the Final Five will be revealed (or if they have already).

Does this make sense?

Also, I think this is the first time such a obligatory "salute" rule has been introduced in games here. You not following the rule still must be accounted for, because rules are rules.

linki: ninja'd by indi

Matt wrote:Zeebs! What're you thinkin' so far?

Because I live in opposite land, I'm suspicious of Scotty for solving the puzzle. Derp.

Linki - Hi 3J! Guess you live in opposite land too

Matt wrote:Oh wow, I forgot to include that I think it's possible that if Scotty is bad, then he obviously had help from his teamies, and they chose Scotty as the "Great Puzzle Solver Guy" spokesperson. That's why I'd like to know if anyone else has previous knowledge of Scotty being good at stuff like this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Greetings comrades! Having thoroughly read and analized the thread I have decided to randomize my spreadsheets with a little help from the I Ching.

What did the I Ching have to say about me?

You will meat a tall handsome strangler who will sweep you off your feet.

Would this tall handsome stranger sweep me off my feet if he knew I don't eat meat?

You don't eat meat.

ika wrote:it was sig who said it...

you should get your people straight first.

but its seems to be clear that its cylons vs town witch truns into scum vs twon so all i need to do is basicly replace cylon with scum and you got your own answer

Ricochet wrote:Let's back it up a bit, because I never said you said anything about Silver doing a scumtell willingly. I said that.

Your read: Silver is slight town because she contributed to the contest.
My question: Would she have not contributed, if she were bad?
Your answer: Yes.
My follow-up: Why would she not contribute, knowing you would read her as bad for doing so?

This is the part where I asked if Silver would "willingly" let herself be read by you as bad, if indeed bad, simply by not contributing to the contest.

As for you claiming Silver could not change the way she plays - in this case, not contributing to the contest, if she were bad - I stipulated that the act of contributing, rather than not contributing and potentially getting yourself read as bad, is so not such difficult to achieve.

sig wrote:Ika/RIco two mafia members down. :P

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:it was sig who said it...

you should get your people straight first.

but its seems to be clear that its cylons vs town witch truns into scum vs twon so all i need to do is basicly replace cylon with scum and you got your own answer

Sorry about that. It must be really nice to have never confused players before or misremembered something.

My point was that there isn't such thing as one way baddies do things. That you might not have ugly of something doesn't mean that wouldn't have been someone else's initial instinct. To assume that there is one way to think is dangerous.

And in particular, not knowing how the cylon sate organized, or even if they have BTSC, or even what their win conditions are (or anyone's win cons for that matter), I'm not sure how you could speculate that a cylon wouldn't think of something.

Linkitis: vegetarians and pescitariand rule!

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Let's back it up a bit, because I never said you said anything about Silver doing a scumtell willingly. I said that.

Your read: Silver is slight town because she contributed to the contest.
My question: Would she have not contributed, if she were bad?
Your answer: Yes.
My follow-up: Why would she not contribute, knowing you would read her as bad for doing so?

This is the part where I asked if Silver would "willingly" let herself be read by you as bad, if indeed bad, simply by not contributing to the contest.

As for you claiming Silver could not change the way she plays - in this case, not contributing to the contest, if she were bad - I stipulated that the act of contributing, rather than not contributing and potentially getting yourself read as bad, is so not such difficult to achieve.

i like how you omit my bigger point that her genrating read is my bigger reason for it. the other is minor/

it rather is if you know silver. plz dont insuiuate that you know her better and her play. i know what she does and what she doesnt and 99% of the time its not "willingly" its jsut a subconscious action she does

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

(the hint is i dont make cases and if i do they are really fuckign shitty)

Ricochet wrote:
It was no omission, it started the discussion well interested in this aspect, of the two you stated.

I have insinuated no such thing. To be incredulous to a player can't simply "do action X", when "not doing action X" is supposed to make the player suspicious, is not the same thing as saying I know "better" what actions that player would do.

I don't know how to play mafia subconsciously. Sounds esoteric.

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

(the hint is i dont make cases and if i do they are really fuckign shitty)

You said I'm look rather bad, I asked what for, you said for what I wrote. That's sheer truism.

sig wrote:@Glorfindel you came in, made a post then poof.

Current thoughts on the game?

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

well it shows you quite well how i make cases and how i form reads on some aspects and making cases is part of forming reads

(the hint is i dont make cases and if i do they are really fuckign shitty)

You said I'm look rather bad, I asked what for, you said for what I wrote. That's sheer truism.

Yup, do you have a read on me yet?

sig wrote:It was kind off tongue and cheek, but your reaction is interesting.