The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:Them odds tho.

timmer wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Them odds tho.

That post, tho. I'm sorry, but MM's dead hand is pointing DIRECTLY at you.

A civ with a one-shot kill targeted someone, and they know if they target the wrong guy they will die instead. What do they do? They leave a little nugget in the thread immediately before the night ends, just in case. MM wasn't even trying to be subtle about it. You and Wilgy are willfully ignoring the obvious. YOU got indiglo lynched. WILGY tried to get me lynched. The two of you have led every lynch so far, with B.S. reasons, and now you are trying to move the thread past MM pointing directly at you.

But since clearly MM targeted you and clearly he died, I can't vote you. So I will be voting for Wilgy today, barring an insane change in the available information to me.

And no, I won't tell you what i think of surviving the lynch, Wilgy, I'm not going to hand you that information.

Elohcin wrote:DF was killed AND MM is dead?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You are overcomplicating it. There is only one ability: it makes Timmer completely immortal until his teammates are dead.

DrWilgy wrote:I agree with DDL regarding Timmer. DDL, how is Epi bad? I think Marmot suggested that he wouldn't target INH or I, but did target Epi, thus meaning he's immortal or civ.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?

Hopefully Epignosis.

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Are you talking about Red vs Blue or a different game?

Do you know nothing about me? Do you really think I know the name of the game I am talking about. If only games had faces...then I could describe what it looked like or pick it out of a line-up for sure.

this is unhelpful

Scotty wrote:
Elo, would a bad Epi normally kill you off if he knew you were on to him day 1?
I remember being on a baddie team with him once where he said he would rather end your time on the game if you had a lot on your plate and mafia was only getting in the way (paraphrasing, but he general idea is there). Do you think this constitutes?

Yeah, if I am rather busy and and cannot really participate anyway. If I signed up b/c he asked me to in order to get the game started and the que rolling. Then he might kill me right off and put me out of my misery. BUT, this is a tiny game, and I love it. I have lots of work this week, but I'm not drowning. He knows I very much enjoy small games. So I am not too sure that he would kill me night 1. A the time, I just thought it was weird that he voted so quickly and without reason. But I think he is just overwhelmed with other things maybe. Like I said, we have a lot going on in RL right now.

So in the same paragraph she admits that he would hypothetically kill her if she were busy, and admits that she is busy, but not too busy, so she doesnt know if he would kill her. She then throws a small shard of shade at him for his quick voting as if she might suspect him, but then uses the excuses that they're both busy. I'm not even sure what the moral to the story is. 'He could be bad, but he maybe could be good I dunno?'

DFaraday wrote:
I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before. I think I can trust Scotty this game. Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him. DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me. Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad. Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

@Daisy....have fun with your guest. Anyone we know?

and here she reaffirms that Epi probably isn't bad, and continues to be ambiguous in answering "I think I know why he may have done it" but won't share with the class..

Trusts Wilgy. Trusts me. Trusts timmer. Trusts DF. Trusts Epi so much that she votes off indiglo from the island.

DrWilgy wrote:Baddie team is: Timmer, INH and Elo 2.0

Scotty wrote:Just reread Spacedaisy's big meaty sausage of a post.



She might be on to something with INH. I formally would like to nominate her for civ grand wizard. and president of the United States plz

a2thezebra wrote:Kilgrave cannot be killed by any means until at least one of the other two members of Mafia are dead, so if you target an at-that-point-unkillable Kilgrave, you will die then as well.

Day 3 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Timmer is as good as confirmed scum at this point. Even disregarding MM's hint, what is the chance two players can survive lynches in a classic game? I mean...

I'm not feeling the INH lynch right now. I think for a bad, he is trying too hard to piss people off. Ive cpme to learn bads in this site are seldom obvious like that, and in general try to be likable way more than IHN are rigt now.

Im feeling Epi and Elo as bad though. Maybe Scotty or Sorsha, but mostly the former two. Eloh for the reasons Daisy said, Epi because I can totally see him and timmer bussing each other like that, especially in a game where timmer should be expecting to be confirmed bad at any point. Then again, the fact he was expecting to be confirmed adds a thick layer of wifom to all his interactions with other people.

Scotty wrote:Okie dokie. Good try, MM.

So we still know nothing of Epi's alignment except if he is bad he has to be Kilgrave. Whoever that is.

I don't want to jump on timmer just yet, but I would fathom that in no way is he Kilgrave.

Let's look at this logically. Would zebra give a bad timmer the ability to lynch stop AND have a baddie that can't die until his minions are dead? I think that's overkill in favor of he baddies. I think timmer is a civvie role.

For all intents and purposes, in this heist game, we've basically already been given info on all 3 power roles, and none of them are protective or investigative. MM was our vigi, timmer could stop a lynch (maybe just his own) and the baddie godfather is fucking lynch proof until the others die before him. I almost feel Kilgrave is TOO OP in this small game, and therefore (now that I've typed out this logic) that we must assume timmer is civ. This is going to turn into simple deduction at this point.

Timmer, would you feel comfortable saying who your role is?

Elohcin wrote:DF was killed AND MM is dead?

Yes. Do you have anything else to add to discussion, fair Elo?

Scotty wrote:Ohhhhhh I just blundered in my logic. Damned morning logic before coffee.

Timmer could very well be Kilgrave. Sorry bout that, DDL.

Basically ignore what I just said defending timmer. He's definitely scum.

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ timmer - Are you surprised you survived the lynch? Do you know why you survived?


The way timmer was posting after the poll was closed and before the post went up struck me as very civ, off hand. But hearing from him about it will be helpful.

See, I saw it as a person that knew they were going to be looked at as civ on the flip, and not necessarily an actual civ. I think he knew he was going to survive, and because the roles are hidden, his anonymity is a strong boon for his game. I know it would be if he were bad, shoving blame at Wilgy.

Granted, I'm feeling less than great about the prospects of Wilgy being civ.

Whether timmer is a civ or mafia aligned, he is definitely a power role. The other option is a possible 3rd party lynch pardon, but that would be a wasteful use on day 1 without info and I'm willing to rule that out completely.

Elohcin wrote:I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before. I think I can trust Scotty this game. Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him. DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me. Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad. Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

@Daisy....have fun with your guest. Anyone we know?

Elohcin wrote:hmm. Sorry Indiglo. Epi seems so authoritative to me for some reason. Then when his reasons matched my thoughts.....well....sorry.

Spacedaisy wrote:Assuming Epi really was MM's target, I can't see why anyone would still suspect him at this point. I mean the most likely reason he would not have died is because he is civ, given the fact we have already seen timmer survive a lynch and the most likely explanation of that is Kilgrave.

Given this I don't see any reason to keep him on my baddie reads. Elo was on there because I felt like she was defending Epi. Can someone outline their suspicion of her now?

I still see INH as a likely timmer teammate. Three reasons. First he randomized timmer on Day 1. If timmer was likely to survive a lynch and he knew it, best thing to do is distance early. Second, he pushed hard the idea that Wilgy was bad for voting timmer after he himself voted timmer. He went for the low hanging fruit IMO. Third, the question about pardoning still stands out to me, it seems like an unusual way to ask a pretty normal question.

I would revise my reads (this time in rainbow list) as follows:
Epi
Wilgy
Scotty
DDL
Sorsha
Elo
INH
timmer

Scotty and DDL have both made a couple blunders in the last 24 hours that have raised my eyebrow, so I dropped them a bit. I believe they are most likely civ just making a mistake but I don't feel as confident in my civ read of them as I do about Epi and Wilgy right now. Sorsha is orange by POE at the moment. If my civ reads are right, anyway.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Okie dokie. Good try, MM.

So we still know nothing of Epi's alignment except if he is bad he has to be Kilgrave. Whoever that is.

I don't want to jump on timmer just yet, but I would fathom that in no way is he Kilgrave.

Let's look at this logically. Would zebra give a bad timmer the ability to lynch stop AND have a baddie that can't die until his minions are dead? I think that's overkill in favor of he baddies. I think timmer is a civvie role.

For all intents and purposes, in this heist game, we've basically already been given info on all 3 power roles, and none of them are protective or investigative. MM was our vigi, timmer could stop a lynch (maybe just his own) and the baddie godfather is fucking lynch proof until the others die before him. I almost feel Kilgrave is TOO OP in this small game, and therefore (now that I've typed out this logic) that we must assume timmer is civ. This is going to turn into simple deduction at this point.

Timmer, would you feel comfortable saying who your role is?

Elohcin wrote:DF was killed AND MM is dead?

Yes. Do you have anything else to add to discussion, fair Elo?

Scotty had this quasi-defense of timmer, but then followed it up with:

Scotty wrote:Ohhhhhh I just blundered in my logic. Damned morning logic before coffee.

Timmer could very well be Kilgrave. Sorry bout that, DDL.

Basically ignore what I just said defending timmer. He's definitely scum.

after DDL pointed out the flaw in his logic. I really think this was just mistake, but it's not the first time he has soft defended timmer:

well, technically I posted that less than a minute after, but I came to that on my own before reading his response. Sort of like how I'm now remembering I literally just posted that I assumed Epi had to be one of the non-lynch proof baddies which is the complete opposite of what I meant. I just shouldn't mafia in the morning. I need to pee

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ timmer - Are you surprised you survived the lynch? Do you know why you survived?


The way timmer was posting after the poll was closed and before the post went up struck me as very civ, off hand. But hearing from him about it will be helpful.

See, I saw it as a person that knew they were going to be looked at as civ on the flip, and not necessarily an actual civ. I think he knew he was going to survive, and because the roles are hidden, his anonymity is a strong boon for his game. I know it would be if he were bad, shoving blame at Wilgy.

Granted, I'm feeling less than great about the prospects of Wilgy being civ.

Whether timmer is a civ or mafia aligned, he is definitely a power role. The other option is a possible 3rd party lynch pardon, but that would be a wasteful use on day 1 without info and I'm willing to rule that out completely.

Again, I don't feel sold on his being bad though, just not as confident on his being civ as I am about you and Epi.
i totally did defend him because I found the prospect of a baddie being lynchproof silly and timmer looked authentically annoyed with how it went down. Oh man I need to pee..stupid car rides

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'd go with Eloh. My gut says INH is too scummy to be scum.

And yeah I missed the MM hint. Sorry I'm terrible at catching those.

I hope people don't tunnel vision on these two players though. That may be exactly what mafia wants. I've nwver seen a syndicate game where the baddies were obvious and I doubt this will be the first one.

DrWilgy wrote:INH

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Voted epi thinking votes were still changeable, then realized they were not.

<facepalm>

Epi it is, then.

Scotty wrote:Holla

INh

Epignosis wrote:Guess I should vote somebody. Insertnamehere.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Guess I should vote somebody. Insertnamehere.

Epi are you the 3rd party?

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Guess I should vote somebody. Insertnamehere.

Epi are you the 3rd party?

You're fishing to see if you should bother killing me or not.

DrWilgy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.