The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

It's so ironic that you missed the point when I mentioned college. You took it as an insult. I meant it as a compliment.

I don't think DH is bad. I never have.

Do you want to answer my question or not? I'm sick of this.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm I don't believe in coincidences like that.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

DH has something to say about that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:03 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

DH has something to say about that.

Hey Quin, I recall you being on a tribe with me where most of the first five days of the game were litigations of whether speedchuck was bad or not...

so like...

you pretending to have amnesia or not? Your (and SVS's) entire defense of speedchuck is predicated on the idea that this is the only reason to think he is bad.
It is not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

Super.
You were there-- who might have done it?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:52 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Dom did you see my theory that because Cecil survived 8 days in Pikachu without being killed after I outted him and then he got killed right when we swapped around, one of the Cerberus swappers killed Cecil?

I did not nor do I really understand.

Can you please explain point by point?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

It's so ironic that you missed the point when I mentioned college. You took it as an insult. I meant it as a compliment.

I don't think DH is bad. I never have.

Do you want to answer my question or not? I'm sick of this.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

How long do we wait for a bonafide revealer?

Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:11 am I am not wielding a pitchfork.

I'm speedchuck's teammate, remember?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:06 am DH-- do you seem to have an understanding of why Wilgy is suspect for this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:04 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

That's why we're voting Wilgy.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:19 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:11 pm I'm confused, SVS what is your read on chuck?

I think he could be bad. I have been saying so since, Oh, LC was lynched the first time. I have had moments when I doubted it, Chuck is rather nice even when you back him into a corner. But like I have said about 88 gazillion times I am having a hard time getting past how aggressively he defended LC.

If you recall, when he first had his role revealed, I grudgingly accepted it, but then when I thought about it, I started going back the other way. I was trying to let is slide and periodically remind him that I still suspected him. But then Nutellas flip with it's "Cannot target a teammate" line, and so much for quietly watching him and poking him periodically.

I wanted to watch him and try to catch him so it could be proven even if he were to flip civ. Then this all came up, and now he is going to be lynched and he will probably flip civ. I wanted to give him a fairer hearing, try him based on the thread, rather than a questionable connection to a role reveal, but again, that isn't going to happen now.

#2153 Post by Long Con » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:36:24 pm
Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:03 am SVS-- you aren't defending speedchuck like DH didn't defend LC.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:08 am also why did cbob totally disappear once his role was revealed?

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:27 pm Someone protect SVS.

She is a civ.

plz explain

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:09 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:27 pm Someone protect SVS.

She is a civ.

plz explain

I can feel it in my bones.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:09 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:27 pm Someone protect SVS.

She is a civ.

plz explain

I can feel it in my bones.

Why did you ask for somebody to protect her instead of just calling her supatown or whatever?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:17 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

what bomb?

Last person to vote for him got a bomb, it's in the day 6 Lynch post.

ohhhhh is that how Nutella was daykilled

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:56 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:53 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:50 pm There would be little to no benefit in having a civ mirror of nutellas role that revealed legitimate roles publicly. If anything that would benefit nutella's mafia team proportionately more than the civs, and might also benefit the second mafia team as well.

Ergo, Chuck was revealed by Nutella.

What? Being able to publically confirm somebody's alignment and role is of no benefit to town?

Not with Nutella's role in the game, and not if that person is just going to get nightkilled and possibly turned mafia.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:49 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

You keep taking for granted that Nutella's team knew Speedchuck's alignment.

I don't know where you are taking that from.

For all we know, they thought he was a civ and tried to frame him. Or at the very least, they gambled on the high possibility he was a civ.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:58 am Do we have a list of people who still have 2 lives?

Are Wilgy and Boomslang among them?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:08 am So we have killed 17/46 lives so far, a ratio of 37%

This will be a long game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am What is the reason for voting Boomslang? What team do you think he's on, and what do you make of Marmot's aggression toward him?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am What is the reason for voting Boomslang? What team do you think he's on, and what do you make of Marmot's aggression toward him?

I'm not voting Boomslang.