The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:48 pm Y'all tell me why Quin is a civilian please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:01 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:22 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

totes agree with you here. i prefer my day 0s less text wall'y and technical. the game/player breakdowns are fine, but when i get overwhelmed reading on day 0s and sometimes day 1s i tend to lose interest in the game. Not always of course.

"totally agree with guy who people are already calling bad because his posts have just been about complaining JJJ is doing work, but I need to add on how I don't like day 0 activity. Ok I've done my work see you tomorrow"

This post bugs me. Why does it matter that rey voiced agreement with someone other people were calling bad? What is that yellow thing?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:25 am

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

This is so specific that I struggle to believe it.

i can see why it feels fabricated, but is it an accurate representation of sabie outside roleplay? i checked the ongoing game and can see a lot of variety in her posts, more beefy content as the game progressed. we won't talk about that now since we don't know her alignment and the game is ongoing.

then i checked a world asunder and honestly, i did see more beefy content as a whole from her there. the observation isn't completely unwarranted for someone who's played with her in a few games recently. but it was day 0. she was role playing a character she loves in a show she expressed genuine excitement about even in the sign up thread. and she did have a funeral and personal reasons yesterday. the question is would she use roleplay to mask discomfort at being given a scum role or not?

as much as i'd like to give ddl shit for that, i don't think it was a bad observation. i just dislike how he made it, and tried to get it to stick, then pulled out of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:55 pm I think rey's suspicion of me looks quite authentic. See for yourselves and tell me if you disagree.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:01 pm[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:15 am It's a good observation made my someone who doesn't even know my playstyle. My entire mafia career has been haunted with my over-hyped "intuition" tbh and then not being able to translate that into a case. You contradict yourself when you said you were expecting more intuition and then expecting deeper analysis...

I'm not gonna judge the quality of your intuition (which, for the record, is amazing), but whether you are trying to use it or not. And you're not.

Normally you come here and start calling everyone's alignments for reasons we can barely understand. You just yell "Of course, X is obviously civ/bad, I can feel it!"

Your cases in this game read like something *I* would write. Because I'm not an intuition based player, I'm an overly rational guy who sucks at reading people and works better when there is information or strategy to analyse. You are writing the kind of pseudo-rational babble I usually make to attempt to do work on Day 1, and is barely right more often than not.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 amCivilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:55 pm I think rey's suspicion of me looks quite authentic. See for yourselves and tell me if you disagree.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:10 pm voting DDL.

i don't know if he intentionally likes to exaggerate or state things that aren't true as facts, but coupled with my earlier suspicions of him and now this misrepresentation of me which just piggybacks off of mac's "RYM-dunya-days intuition", i think what he wrote is all a load of baloney.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:08 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:15 am It's a good observation made my someone who doesn't even know my playstyle. My entire mafia career has been haunted with my over-hyped "intuition" tbh and then not being able to translate that into a case. You contradict yourself when you said you were expecting more intuition and then expecting deeper analysis...

I'm not gonna judge the quality of your intuition (which, for the record, is amazing), but whether you are trying to use it or not. And you're not.

Normally you come here and start calling everyone's alignments for reasons we can barely understand. You just yell "Of course, X is obviously civ/bad, I can feel it!"

Your cases in this game read like something *I* would write. Because I'm not an intuition based player, I'm an overly rational guy who sucks at reading people and works better when there is information or strategy to analyse. You are writing the kind of pseudo-rational babble I usually make to attempt to do work on Day 1, and is barely right more often than not.

nope, i don't do that. i'd love evidence of where you've seen me do that. i think i know what i do and don't do. that's far out, even for me.

please review my previous civ games. take a look at mountains mafia, my first heavy game on here as civ.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:23 pm i'm flattered, but i disagree. i read people i had never played easier because i had no biases, so i relied on tone and contradictions in their posts. i wasn't taking that game as seriously as i do a regular mafia game either. i was just looseballing it and having fun.

i actually have more fun on NF than i do here so that's something for me to think about lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:24 pm Dragon D. Luffy, quick question.

What is your present state of comfort regarding the state of this game?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:29 pmWeird question. Comfort regarding what?

Hmm...

Feels like we have 4 or 5 voices who are doing some epic civ play but half the players are blending.

But Day 1 seems like it's progressing very well, considering how little of it has passed.

And not very uncomfortable regarding myself. There are some people suspecting me but there are always people suspecting me, and there are some defending me, so this looks like a game to be night killed rather than lynched. Which sucks because between this one, nova's game and my own game I'll be in 3 games next week.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 amCivilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:25 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

This is so specific that I struggle to believe it.

i can see why it feels fabricated, but is it an accurate representation of sabie outside roleplay? i checked the ongoing game and can see a lot of variety in her posts, more beefy content as the game progressed. we won't talk about that now since we don't know her alignment and the game is ongoing.

then i checked a world asunder and honestly, i did see more beefy content as a whole from her there. the observation isn't completely unwarranted for someone who's played with her in a few games recently. but it was day 0. she was role playing a character she loves in a show she expressed genuine excitement about even in the sign up thread. and she did have a funeral and personal reasons yesterday. the question is would she use roleplay to mask discomfort at being given a scum role or not?

as much as i'd like to give ddl shit for that, i don't think it was a bad observation. i just dislike how he made it, and tried to get it to stick, then pulled out of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:10 pm I'm rescinding my town read on Epignosis. DFaraday's suspicions lacked clear names in the absence of prods (as Epi validly observed), and his ensuing explanation seemed to force suspicion upon Mac.

These posts are horseshit though:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 amCivilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:54 pm @ColinIsCool wake up

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:54 pm @ColinIsCool wake up

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:34 pm I can see cbob being bad too solely for using a smiley face emote.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:25 pm Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

Everything Mac is saying here feels fake.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:37 am current rainbow. i feel good about epignosis most, followed by sabie and quin at equal levels i'd say. i haven't seen enough content from dfaraday but nothing has pinged me.

i need more content from nova, coliniscool hasn't posted yet and reywaS did that one post that pinged me where he complained about someone's play style but then took it back at the end...which i think is demotivating and purposeless. need to see more "game-related" content from him.

the last 4 are people i have reasons to feel iffy about. let's see what happens this day phase.

dunya
Epignosis
sabie12
Quin
DFaraday
novaselinenever
ColinIsCool
reywaS
colonialbob
Macdougall
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:18 pm Her orange section is full of people I like and her dark green section is a little too.

Everyone dunya feels neutral about are the ones I wanna lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:18 pm Her orange section is full of people I like and her dark green section is a little too.

Everyone dunya feels neutral about are the ones I wanna lynch.

Does it mean anything to you that those are all among the least active participants?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:22 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:25 pm Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

Everything Mac is saying here feels fake.

What's DFaraday like in btsc?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:16 am I still feel good about Quin. I'm gleaming genu-quin in his spitfire.