The Syndicate

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:25 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:20 pm NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.

I don't claim to be able to read Kami, but it's impossible to be this confident about her.

I'm pretty confident Kami is a wolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:31 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:29 pm syns post was a joke

I didn't see that hyena agreed with the team though

regardless, if Alison doesn't stop there's a 100% chance I vote her EoD. I'm done talking about it

Do it. I'll make sure you get flipped after Kami.

go ahead and try lol

Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

could be

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

idk what you're talking about with the creature read at all

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

idk what you're talking about with the creature read at all

For a long time Creature was polarized postcount wise. If he was town he would have a reasonable postcount, if he was wolf he would barely post. He has since fixed this tell but the point is that it demonstrates that his MO as wolf is to lay low and that he naturally has a low amount of investment/energy to give when he is wolf.

I believe his posts about hypo theory demonstrate enough genuine care about the game that I townread him. It's not a full clear but I don't have concerns about him at all.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

idk what you're talking about with the creature read at all

I've only played one or two games with Creature, and all I know is that he can be slanky-- and in that sense he does seem different from when I wolfed with him. But he's also given literally 0 reads. He can definitely be a villager too but it's a long day so I'm happy to talk about him.
Re Hyena: I want to reread but could potentially imagine a wolf playing decent.

apparently making mech posts then saying you don't want to play mafia is an enthusiastic towny

I don't think creature is necessarily mafia but

meh

One of the specific things that made me townread Hyena was when they said "nanook is here but seems disengaged", and then when Esooa challenged them on it, they said they didn't actually scumread it (probably because it's par for the course with nook), but they were throwing it out there to see who would jump on it and try to shade nanook for it. It's the kind of reaction test that Hyena likes to use a lot as town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:45 pm apparently making mech posts then saying you don't want to play mafia is an enthusiastic towny

Creature made long posts trying to coordinate the town's hypo claims, I think that shows a degree of investment he would have a difficult time simulating as mafia. I don't necessarily think of him as an enthusiastic townie in the same way JJJ or Hally tend to be, but he clearly cares about the way people go around doing their hypo claims.

Teal colored villagers
Alison-- yeah
Esooa
EJJ
Blue
Kami-- probably
Nanook I think
Syn?????
Gray
Hyena-- going to reread
Creature
Falcon-- some posts were decent I thought
I think that's everyone that has posted. I don't have any actual wolves which is a problem.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:31 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:29 pm syns post was a joke

I didn't see that hyena agreed with the team though

regardless, if Alison doesn't stop there's a 100% chance I vote her EoD. I'm done talking about it

Do it. I'll make sure you get flipped after Kami.

For people who know Alison: is stuff like this in her wolf range?

Yes.

I would be a pretty shitty player if that wasn't in my wolf range lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:00 pm I would be a pretty shitty player if that wasn't in my wolf range lol.

I mean that's not sort of stuff I post in either role myself, which is probably why I find it villagery. But if it's in your wolf range then that's great too.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Teal colored villagers
Alison-- yeah
Esooa
EJJ
Blue
Kami-- probably
Nanook I think
Syn?????
Gray
Hyena-- going to reread
Creature
Falcon-- some posts were decent I thought
I think that's everyone that has posted. I don't have any actual wolves which is a problem.

Which posts of mine were decent?



I'm starting a scrapbook

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:05 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Teal colored villagers
Alison-- yeah
Esooa
EJJ
Blue
Kami-- probably
Nanook I think
Syn?????
Gray
Hyena-- going to reread
Creature
Falcon-- some posts were decent I thought
I think that's everyone that has posted. I don't have any actual wolves which is a problem.

Which posts of mine were decent?



I'm starting a scrapbook

Actually I just like your first one. You look like you can definitely be a wolf.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Syn?????[/color]

What's with the ????? here

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:08 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Syn?????[/color]

What's with the ????? here

Probably some sort of cry for help looking for someone who knows their meta. What are your thoughts there?

I'd lean town there because I got the vibe he was voting me out of contrarianism/annoyance that I was pushing a certain way of playing the game, rather than trying to get me killed because he wants a townie dead.

that's my secret, I always want a townie dead

<-- poster has good reads

that's my secret, I always want a townie dead

<-- poster is said townie

this is identity theft

this is identity theft

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:12 pm [VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

on reread up to this point, I can see this a lot more and Hyena a lot less, fwiw.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:33 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:12 pm [VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

on reread up to this point, I can see this a lot more and Hyena a lot less, fwiw.

seeing Esooa a lot more is what gets you pocketed for an F3 loss

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:47 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:33 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:12 pm [VOTE: ejjinami] aubergine

on reread up to this point, I can see this a lot more and Hyena a lot less, fwiw.

seeing Esooa a lot more is what gets you pocketed for an F3 loss

nah this isn't a cfc game

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Probably LHF

falcon and being the "eh, need to pick someone" chop, name a better duo

I don't even know how to interpret Syn any more lol

i contain multitudes

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:47 pm Nanook, if you like Ejji, you should try to pocket her. :P

warning, I’m fat. Not very suitable for pockets
feel free to try if you want to tho

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:50 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:48 pm Sorry im too obvious villager youre gonna have to push for a misslynch somewhere else
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

You are not obvious villager at all and I fully intend to get you killed by the end of today.

LOL good luck not gonna happen kiddo

thank you for proving that you’re not SvS

…..that’s probably all I’m gonna say about that :/

Shortly cuz I don’t really feel like quoting all posts

Hyena seems to be focused more on asking questions than getting conclusions. He’s doesn’t seem to care if the answer is sth that would normally be considered helpful or not (not focused on doing the “objectively townie” things)
Honestly, this is probably a very dumb meta read but I feel like this is just town

Esooa still doesn’t feel like scum either. They seem to be prodding people here and there, showing confidence in their votes yet changing them at a whim every once in a while (ignoring drama, not adding fuel to the fire, focusing on getting reads instead of lynching them). This doesn’t always have to be AI but at least at this very moment they are most likely not pushing a wolf agenda

I THINK luckbox should be town for the same reasons as well… (the reasoning is just stronger) They just don’t seem interested in easy drama?
They’re just doing their own things, getting reads separate from the game state

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Teal colored villagers
Alison-- yeah
Esooa
EJJ
Blue
Kami-- probably
Nanook I think
Syn?????
Gray
Hyena-- going to reread
Creature
Falcon-- some posts were decent I thought
I think that's everyone that has posted. I don't have any actual wolves which is a problem.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:08 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Syn?????[/color]

What's with the ????? here

Probably some sort of cry for help looking for someone who knows their meta. What are your thoughts there?

Them having no scum-reads despite the players eating each other alive seems like a decent town-tell

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:42 pmI'm not sure you'd think you couldn't know a person's wolf game from wolfing with them-- you definitely can. But that's sort of besides the point. It's the village game of hers that I saw that I'll be comparing her to. And you're probably right that I shouldn't be confident at all.

Imo, the underlined parts, lack of confidence in scum-reads with full intent of defending the town-reads, feel genuine

up to the town-pool they go

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:56 pm I lean nanook scum

why?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:33 pm I am starting to think Alison is a villager fwiw but am plenty weary.

why?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:36 pm honestly Alisons push is worse than kamis imo

lmao, roasted

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:19 pm

hyena wrote:snip

Towny shit right here.

yes
give me another town-read, please

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:43 pm But he's also given literally 0 reads.

Yeah, that depends on my mood and if I can get any reads. Would've been simpler to get reads if I was wolf.

We get it ejj you're town.

Reading back now

and I’m not gonna say much about the thunderdome between kami and alison.

kami is a clown, most of the things they’re doing are probably more related to their habits/personality than alignment

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:17 pm My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

Omg you got me! My peek I do every game as villager is why I'm a wolf!

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:20 pm NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

If I were to guess those would be the only posts from them I’d MAYBE consider AI
100% not SvS with alison
The last post would make a bit more sense if they were ridiculing a player they genuinely thought was a wolf. A wolf trying but failing would be funnier than a townie genuinely doing their best

(this would need a meta check tho. Doesn’t work if they’re just an ass)


and most of alison’s posts are likely heavily influenced by emotions (regardless of alignment). Their ability to filter out NAI noise doesn’t seem to be that high but at the very least I believe that their anger when they last stopped posting was most likely genuine:

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:47 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:36 pm honestly Alisons push is worse than kamis imo

Kami has done literally nothing townie this game and the more you try to convince me that tunnelling one player is actually townie play from them after I've made a pretty legit scumcase on Kami the more I start to think you're wolves with them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:50 pm

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:48 pm Sorry im too obvious villager youre gonna have to push for a misslynch somewhere else
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

You are not obvious villager at all and I fully intend to get you killed by the end of today.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:54 pm I think you're mafia so obviously I'm not going to treat you as seer, wtf

gun to the head: I’d rather believe that emotions caused by a scum-read on someone are more likely to be town-indicative


I feel like my way of getting reads might not be that good for this site in general tho… If I were to post my reads rn, I’d most likely end up town-reading all active players, which most of the time means that I’m just wrong somewhere

Realistically:

[luckbox] - Their intentions seem just purely townie
[hyena] - less confident but not enough to enter the paranoia pool

Paranoia pool:
[kami, alison, esooa]

but
alison and kami are 100% not SvS for obvious reasons
alison and esooa are likely not SvS because of alison’s angry responses and threats towards esooa
If I am terribly wrong about my reads, esooa and kami TECHNICALLY can be SvS but most of the time there isn’t more than 1 scum among the paranoia pool

Possibly 0 if my reads are good…

So I’m probably ignore them for the remainder of D1 as well, until they post sth possibly more AI.

yawn
[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

or actually wait

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

bigger wagon

@Luckbox Inc I had a dream last night that creature was mafia

anyways n0 Kami v (this one's real)

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:23 am @Luckbox Inc I had a dream last night that creature was mafia

Lol. I'm a little scared because my investment level isn't high enough yet to cause me to be dreaming about this game.

I have dreams about mafia games all the time

Alison what’s your read on esooa?

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:02 am Alison what’s your read on esooa?

Almost certainly wolf if Kami is wolf

Probably town if Kami is town, because if Kami is town and Esooa is wolf I think she'd want to stoke the flames of me vs Kami rather than poke at other options.

good thing kamis town