The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned

Yo Syn

I feel like this might have been a joke post

But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this

So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?

Sure. I don't like when a player suggests we don't have enough info/can't get enough info when the game has just started. Comes across like a wolf trying to discourage town

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned

Yo Syn

I feel like this might have been a joke post

But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this

So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?

Sure. I don't like when a player suggests we don't have enough info/can't get enough info when the game has just started. Comes across like a wolf trying to discourage town

Wait, you're still taking that to heart?

I'm taking it as one of my first reactions to the game, if that's what you mean. It's not the hill I die on, just part of my method man

Can you point me to a game where you've taken umbrage with someone starting the game voting sleep and you were town? This is pinging me on all sorts of levels.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:19 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:14 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pm Made could actually be spewing all 3 Esooa, Sean, and Falcon town in 1 go if he's scum.

Correct.

i disagree about all 3 being spewed. the post was scummy but idk how much spew it actually holds.

I agree. An advanced rule of three would actually suggest there is at least one mafia among {Esooa,Sean,Falcon}, and I'm not convinced there aren't two.

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:19 pm who the FREAK is this mans? https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/membe ... file&u=968

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pm LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Early game unbridled aggression is townie for you. I correctly read you town in basic mafia (and it got called TMI) for reaction testing, as an extension of that. Putting down and pushing a gut scumread on Esooa specifically is also townie because she is not a great target to opportunistically push D1 as mafia due to being both OMGUS-y and able to obvtown herself. I don't think your falcon read is correct but I think you're townie.

Why is my Esooa read OMGUS-y?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 pm Let’s do this [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?

Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pm Sheep da doggy :3

[VOTE: made] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm @alison explain the Made read?

I didn't like the way he was pushing that there was one scum in the sleep voters; I didn't get any bad vibes there at all and almost wrote that pages 1-2 was mostly/all townies posting.

Quoting Seanzie's scumread of Falcon to push some crap narrative about you and Seanzie makes no sense and it feels like he prewrote that post in scumchat and was just randomly quoting a Seanzie post to shoehorn it in.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pm LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Early game unbridled aggression is townie for you. I correctly read you town in basic mafia (and it got called TMI) for reaction testing, as an extension of that. Putting down and pushing a gut scumread on Esooa specifically is also townie because she is not a great target to opportunistically push D1 as mafia due to being both OMGUS-y and able to obvtown herself. I don't think your falcon read is correct but I think you're townie.

Why is my Esooa read OMGUS-y?

Your Esooa read is not OMGUS-y.

Esooa is OMGUS-y.

Esooa is also able to obvtown herself.

Therefore Esooa is not a great target to take pot shots at on page 2 if you are a wolf since there is an X% chance she goes super saiyan and buries you for daring to scumread her.

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:29 pm lmfao why am i getting cold feet

he looks pretty caught to me but the fact that he's getting dogged like this looks kinda sus

i don't tr his entire wagon comp fwiw.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned

Yo Syn

I feel like this might have been a joke post

But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this

So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?

Sure. I don't like when a player suggests we don't have enough info/can't get enough info when the game has just started. Comes across like a wolf trying to discourage town

Wait, you're still taking that to heart?

I'm taking it as one of my first reactions to the game, if that's what you mean. It's not the hill I die on, just part of my method man

Can you point me to a game where you've taken umbrage with someone starting the game voting sleep and you were town? This is pinging me on all sorts of levels.

Not that exactly thing, no. But I'm famously paranoid for what others find to be weird reasons

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm @alison explain the Made read?

I didn't like the way he was pushing that there was one scum in the sleep voters; I didn't get any bad vibes there at all and almost wrote that pages 1-2 was mostly/all townies posting.

Quoting Seanzie's scumread of Falcon to push some crap narrative about you and Seanzie makes no sense and it feels like he prewrote that post in scumchat and was just randomly quoting a Seanzie post to shoehorn it in.

hmm, I didn't mind the sleep read--seemed the kinda thing people just randomly say at the start of games. I can see what you mean though. I'm used to Made being more slanky so I was considering his uh, initiative more scummy, possibly?

I've mostly been skimming as I'm playing video mafia while reading so I don't have an opinion on the second, though.

I think this is alright though; fwiw I agree with you that pages 1-2 felt pretty towny, kinda thinking ur town in general is why I wanted to know what you thought lmao

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pm LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Early game unbridled aggression is townie for you. I correctly read you town in basic mafia (and it got called TMI) for reaction testing, as an extension of that. Putting down and pushing a gut scumread on Esooa specifically is also townie because she is not a great target to opportunistically push D1 as mafia due to being both OMGUS-y and able to obvtown herself. I don't think your falcon read is correct but I think you're townie.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm pocket successful

i don't need you anymore lemon pepsi

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm @alison explain the Made read?

I didn't like the way he was pushing that there was one scum in the sleep voters; I didn't get any bad vibes there at all and almost wrote that pages 1-2 was mostly/all townies posting.

Quoting Seanzie's scumread of Falcon to push some crap narrative about you and Seanzie makes no sense and it feels like he prewrote that post in scumchat and was just randomly quoting a Seanzie post to shoehorn it in.

hmm, I didn't mind the sleep read--seemed the kinda thing people just randomly say at the start of games. I can see what you mean though. I'm used to Made being more slanky so I was considering his uh, initiative more scummy, possibly?

I've mostly been skimming as I'm playing video mafia while reading so I don't have an opinion on the second, though.

I think this is alright though; fwiw I agree with you that pages 1-2 felt pretty towny, kinda thinking ur town in general is why I wanted to know what you thought lmao

Where are you playing video mafia this late?

Also what's your read of Epi?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:33 pm Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

hey everyone take a look at NO FUN SEANZIE

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm @alison explain the Made read?

I didn't like the way he was pushing that there was one scum in the sleep voters; I didn't get any bad vibes there at all and almost wrote that pages 1-2 was mostly/all townies posting.

Quoting Seanzie's scumread of Falcon to push some crap narrative about you and Seanzie makes no sense and it feels like he prewrote that post in scumchat and was just randomly quoting a Seanzie post to shoehorn it in.

hmm, I didn't mind the sleep read--seemed the kinda thing people just randomly say at the start of games. I can see what you mean though. I'm used to Made being more slanky so I was considering his uh, initiative more scummy, possibly?

I've mostly been skimming as I'm playing video mafia while reading so I don't have an opinion on the second, though.

I think this is alright though; fwiw I agree with you that pages 1-2 felt pretty towny, kinda thinking ur town in general is why I wanted to know what you thought lmao

Where are you playing video mafia this late?

Also what's your read of Epi?

mini mafia. They actually have huge games tonight, I'm surprised. 15 players.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm

I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.

You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,

1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.

2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.

So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?

Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

I will if you will do likewise for Made.

I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

I will if you will do likewise for Made.

I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

Noncommittal trash.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:29 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm if we hammer I'm probably not going to play this game any molre because that would be really stupid

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

I will if you will do likewise for Made.

I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

Noncommittal trash.

Or... you're scum

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

I will if you will do likewise for Made.

I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

Noncommittal trash.

Or... you're scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm if we hammer I'm probably not going to play this game any molre because that would be really stupid

actually it would be really funny

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm if we hammer I'm probably not going to play this game any molre because that would be really stupid

actually it would be really funny

unless you're mafia again like the last game where i convinced everyone to maj

in which case it's still funny but only for me

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned

Yo Syn

I feel like this might have been a joke post

But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this

So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?

Sure. I don't like when a player suggests we don't have enough info/can't get enough info when the game has just started. Comes across like a wolf trying to discourage town

I wasn't seriously asking. My post was a copypasta.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:39 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm if we hammer I'm probably not going to play this game any molre because that would be really stupid

actually it would be really funny

unless you're mafia again like the last game where i convinced everyone to maj

in which case it's still funny but only for me

You literally made me slank for the rest of the game because I was so tilted at the hammer.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm Or... you're scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm Or... you're scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.

Or...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm Or... you're scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.

Or...

I flip a coin and decide if you die.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm Or... you're scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.

Or...

I flip a coin and decide if you die.

We've already alluded to a philosophical discussion about randomness, so I'm game. I'd like you to flip away... er.... I'd like you to flip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:29 pm lmfao why am i getting cold feet

he looks pretty caught to me but the fact that he's getting dogged like this looks kinda sus

i don't tr his entire wagon comp fwiw.

If you're referring to Made here, then which voters for Made are suspicious?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 pm haha getting DOGGED

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:33 pm Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too