Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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This is about the time I decided TH is probably town.TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today
so im sort of just biding my time until then
unordered readlist
martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy
epig
ricochet
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:42 pm Ok. I have a strong town read on Martin. Never rescind. Whoever disagrees with this is mafia.
This came after I made those reads fmpov and it makes me feel good. At the very least, these players are never w/w but I'm feeling they're t/t.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.
Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.
Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo
What are you seeing on Boq, Daisy? He's kinda barely posted.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.
I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.
[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine
Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.
slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.
Good thing I was asking you then.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:35 ameveryone is circumstantially town while I'm talking to themBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:00 amDoes that mean he's a town read in this game right now?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:42 am Epi I learned a lot about formulating reads from you and based on this and Bayesian stuff I’m gonna tell you that I sorta expect your read on Moonwink to be wrong (I have read zero moonwink posts)
How am I showboating? =pTripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:27 pm Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.
I've only played with them once or twice.
Are you trying to get me killed because you don't want to solve me or what?
It's been so long!
What does Lucy suspecting you tell you, given your experience together?TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:15 am Lucy and I were both scum in that game BTW
They were a lot less proactive there than in this game
I'm not going to say it, but Violet/Jack w/w. Just kidding. Hahahah. Except if I'm right.
I don't get this whole thing. Epig is "aggressive", as they say, in play style. But I don't recall him just snapping at people for nothing lolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:18 pm70%? idklucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:07 pmhow likely was it that epi would've snapped at me?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:54 pmThat is a little interesting, should one of them flip wolf.
But like why for me? Before the me town reading Martin thing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:23 pm This is about the time I decided TH is probably town.
So are Martin and Dizzy.
"Why?"
Mind your business.
This post can come from a mafia member.
I vehemently disagree with this mindset. We absolutely do not need to, nor should we, "lynch for information" on Day 1. We should all collectively vote for the player we feel is most likely to net us a mafia member. That Moonwink is defaulting to an info-lynch posture so early in the phase is Bad Look #3 or 4 in the early stages of my catch up. The others were in big quotes which were unwieldy to quote. I'll probably go into more detail later.
This post contains 2 paragraphs but it says 0 things.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
Yeah, we're treading water most of the time here. Welcome. AND SAYING NOTHING IS MY TOWN TELL SO PEEPEEPOOPOO ON YOU.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:35 pmThis post contains 2 paragraphs but it says 0 things.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:15 pm Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.
So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?
Wait what. Voting you for saying nothing is literally the opposite of an "info-chop"Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:34 pmI vehemently disagree with this mindset. We absolutely do not need to, nor should we, "lynch for information" on Day 1. We should all collectively vote for the player we feel is most likely to net us a mafia member. That Moonwink is defaulting to an info-lynch posture so early in the phase is Bad Look #3 or 4 in the early stages of my catch up. The others were in big quotes which were unwieldy to quote. I'll probably go into more detail later.
dolby or phraze, probably phraze cause i’m biasDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:39 pmYeah, nobody cares. Who would you shoot if you were me and Rico?
same name lmaoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:41 pm @TripleHaven Are you called something else on MU? I thought your username was the same, but can't find you in the games linked.
the town game had a broken linkDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:41 pm @TripleHaven Are you called something else on MU? I thought your username was the same, but can't find you in the games linked.
many games with phraze not posting much at all, she doesn’t give me enough posts to let me intuition do it’s thing, dolby has a 400 poster so he can possible contribute more which will let us read his alignment better and he’ll contribute more, phraze is absent of this
Paragraph 1:Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:39 pmWait what. Voting you for saying nothing is literally the opposite of an "info-chop"Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:34 pmI vehemently disagree with this mindset. We absolutely do not need to, nor should we, "lynch for information" on Day 1. We should all collectively vote for the player we feel is most likely to net us a mafia member. That Moonwink is defaulting to an info-lynch posture so early in the phase is Bad Look #3 or 4 in the early stages of my catch up. The others were in big quotes which were unwieldy to quote. I'll probably go into more detail later.
"I see what you are saying, but my position on the issue is not changed by this." Nothing.
Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:37 pmWith that kind of talk, Martin's gonna become the most likely nightkill N1 instead of Dizzy if he's town!TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:27 pm Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.
I've only played with them once or twice.
Also,
[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
"I will abstain from offering a read on this player. I will not be voting for him like the rest of you." Nothing.
"Day 1 rarely catches scum" is not a true statement where I come from.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:39 pmWait what. Voting you for saying nothing is literally the opposite of an "info-chop"Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:34 pmI vehemently disagree with this mindset. We absolutely do not need to, nor should we, "lynch for information" on Day 1. We should all collectively vote for the player we feel is most likely to net us a mafia member. That Moonwink is defaulting to an info-lynch posture so early in the phase is Bad Look #3 or 4 in the early stages of my catch up. The others were in big quotes which were unwieldy to quote. I'll probably go into more detail later.
telemundo is clearly the wolf voting me and to be expected, I hadn't yet reached Dolby (4)
You made a big deal about how this is the mafia championship earlier. This attitude of "Oh well, I don't care if I get lynched" does not exactly resonate with your previous posts (I am thinking of #138 and #151 in particular).lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:36 pmbecause I was just asking the question and forgot to include mafia, then I tweaked it after. I don't remember my first syndicate game verbatim, however the first cycle you started playing you got NKed and you expect to die n1 here + you're a finalist, I'd say you're extremely strong, but I don't know your specific strengths. as mafia you're filthy. my plan for you was to solve next to you was to see if you found pelts, if you don't Lynch a wolf by d3 I was gonna death tunnel you.► Show Spoiler
Give me a quick summary on why TonyStarkPrime has earned your vote, please and thanks. I'm sure I'll find it in this thread eventually, but I'm still only on page 5.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:36 pm I feel better about Lucy than I have. Probably. Moon is "weird", but that's their schtick. It's fine. Daisy, I think is just town. Same with Martin. These are all people I'm not very interested in voting. Probably won't vote Boq either.
So that's five people. But that's pretty much it for who I won't vote.
Can we/whoever is alive please post more on future days? Low content games is pro mafia imo. WEH
I have no reason to vote Tony and no reason not to. I pretty much have nothing.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine
For now.
Someone sell me on a case tbh
This is a good answer.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:49 amI see what you did there, but what you and I did was actually pretty different. And it is the difference that makes me feel like I didn't like your post about lucy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:48 pmThis series of posts is funny but I'm agreeing with Daisy here so I'mma leave it alone. Like that's almost exactly my mindset except I used the second section as a reason to not fully scumread Lucy whereas Daisy used it to not fully townread Lucy.Spoiler: show
I went into it not paying much attention to lucy but have a good feeling about her because she appeared to be asking town-minded questions. Then I forced myself to look because I realized I didn't know if she had offered anything of interest or offered any reads or content of her own and when I saw the answer was no, it flipped my feeling on her. I was clear about what had changed my mind.
But you simply said hey the things she did looks towny, so maybe my feeling of bad vibes on her is just paranoia. You said I have these generic bad feelings for no particular reason. But hey, look, she said towny things! So it must just be paranoia. That feels to me like putting the idea out there that people suspecting her at that point were just being paranoid and we can now dismiss them. Plus, various people said the same thing about lucy as I did. You were the one going the other way, downplaying the suspicion.
All that said, believing you are bad based on that would mean I would also have to believe lucy is bad. I don't know that I have a bad read on you separated from her. And with her return and hearing more from her, I'm still trying to decide how I feel. I think it's interesting she didn't comment on my answers specifically, despite her explanation. If one of you flipped bad, I would probably suspect the other though at this particular moment.
I also am torn on what I think of Moonwink, because I don't really understand them, and I don't know how to feel about that. I am trying to see where the motivation to say the things that Moonwink has said would come from, and I'm a bit baffled. I feel like they have spent more time trying to fake out nightkill and project possible protections or something than actually trying to sort some starting reads. But I'm not sure if that is just because I don't get what is going on there. Whatever man, I'm going to bed for the night.
I haven't decided if I am staying on Triplehaven or not. I'll read them again tomorrow and see what I think then.
PS My reads frequently suck, so take it all with a grain of salt.
wrong post?Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:54 pmYou made a big deal about how this is the mafia championship earlier. This attitude of "Oh well, I don't care if I get lynched" does not exactly resonate with your previous posts (I am thinking of #138 and #151 in particular).lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:36 pmbecause I was just asking the question and forgot to include mafia, then I tweaked it after. I don't remember my first syndicate game verbatim, however the first cycle you started playing you got NKed and you expect to die n1 here + you're a finalist, I'd say you're extremely strong, but I don't know your specific strengths. as mafia you're filthy. my plan for you was to solve next to you was to see if you found pelts, if you don't Lynch a wolf by d3 I was gonna death tunnel you.► Show Spoiler
PLAYER SALAD! Right here, smacking me in the face in the Mafia Championship.Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:05 pm Building off this
Not voting the green tier, apart from any massive ping. Would circumstance-wise pass TSP for toDay.
Probably still null on Epig, said his weekend was busy and last bit of activity was about how I'd imagine him having an hour to play here, quoting and answering step by step, working on pings.
Violet seems to step into it, but then stopped at #53 with a town read. mke
Vig choice still up in the air, how many suggestions were made?
Null towards sus listing about the same, except starting to feel better about Jack's latest stuff and maybe worse about Boquise, there's really nothing + blank vote.
And finally, my low list is still there out of more or less principled takes on how I view their MOs.
TH is snap-reading and reading-into-meta at times, but everytime I revisit his ISO, something feels thin.
lucy is profiling, but at the same time not willing or warmed up to do reads out of it.
Moonwink is resolute idiosyncratic, votes flying everywhere, pings-formulaic.
If asked which of the three I'd let another Day to see them develop better stuff or shake off the trend above, vibes-mostly, I'd feel a tad more optimistic re: TH & lucy than Moonwink.
[VOTE: Moonwink] aubergine
I do not love this post either. Ricochet shares a list (salad) of vague reads. Lucy asks him to explain said reads. Ricochet gripes, "Not sure what you're expecting of me." He is expecting substantiated reads.Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 am I'm still the same. If it's not your MO to detail reads this early, fine, but your questioning method doesn't amount to much on its own. As town, it would be an ok effort, but not cred-gaining in any way. As mafia, it would seem like credible effort to look, but only surface level.
It kind of says in the very post you're quoting that I have no reason. I have reason, however good or bad, to not vote a few people. Tony tends to win a lot as mafia. It made 2/2/2 wagons. That's pretty much the extent of my reasoning. As well as becoming uncomfortable with my TH vote, which is likely to just be a function of me being uncomfortable with voting anyone.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:55 pmGive me a quick summary on why TonyStarkPrime has earned your vote, please and thanks. I'm sure I'll find it in this thread eventually, but I'm still only on page 5.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:36 pm I feel better about Lucy than I have. Probably. Moon is "weird", but that's their schtick. It's fine. Daisy, I think is just town. Same with Martin. These are all people I'm not very interested in voting. Probably won't vote Boq either.
So that's five people. But that's pretty much it for who I won't vote.
Can we/whoever is alive please post more on future days? Low content games is pro mafia imo. WEH
I have no reason to vote Tony and no reason not to. I pretty much have nothing.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine
For now.
Someone sell me on a case tbh
NopeDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:06 pm You know what. I'm going to go with my first gut, which was
[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Which is sad. And very sad if I'm wrong.
I've arrived at Moon's' Lucypost. I do not follow, Moon. You call her posts "incoherent" and also suggest that Epis vote change off of Lucy should influence your read on Lucy somehow. Why? And why is her "incoherence" a bad thing?Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:28 pmlucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:47 pmstress testingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:39 pm Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
For being outed mafiaAgree with your interpretation on Dizzy's vote -- figured they were just helping me pressure you to see what would happen. I haven't really bothered thinking too deeply about anything else they've done yet.
Epi was the first person to vote you, actually -- if he hadn't voted you, I probably would've just continued bantering with you without a vote since I didn't know whether anyone would join me on you or not.
thanksDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:05 pmIt kind of says in the very post you're quoting that I have no reason. I have reason, however good or bad, to not vote a few people. Tony tends to win a lot as mafia. It made 2/2/2 wagons. That's pretty much the extent of my reasoning. As well as becoming uncomfortable with my TH vote, which is likely to just be a function of me being uncomfortable with voting anyone.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:55 pmGive me a quick summary on why TonyStarkPrime has earned your vote, please and thanks. I'm sure I'll find it in this thread eventually, but I'm still only on page 5.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:36 pm I feel better about Lucy than I have. Probably. Moon is "weird", but that's their schtick. It's fine. Daisy, I think is just town. Same with Martin. These are all people I'm not very interested in voting. Probably won't vote Boq either.
So that's five people. But that's pretty much it for who I won't vote.
Can we/whoever is alive please post more on future days? Low content games is pro mafia imo. WEH
I have no reason to vote Tony and no reason not to. I pretty much have nothing.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine
For now.
Someone sell me on a case tbh
Which things? What is off about them?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:06 pm You know what. I'm going to go with my first gut, which was
[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Which is sad. And very sad if I'm wrong.
just stress testing and stacking votes on me to watch what happensBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:10 pmI've arrived at Moon's' Lucypost. I do not follow, Moon. You call her posts "incoherent" and also suggest that Epis vote change off of Lucy should influence your read on Lucy somehow. Why? And why is her "incoherence" a bad thing?Moonwink wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:28 pmlucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:47 pmstress testingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:39 pm Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.
[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
For being outed mafiaAgree with your interpretation on Dizzy's vote -- figured they were just helping me pressure you to see what would happen. I haven't really bothered thinking too deeply about anything else they've done yet.
Epi was the first person to vote you, actually -- if he hadn't voted you, I probably would've just continued bantering with you without a vote since I didn't know whether anyone would join me on you or not.
I'm gonna boldly declare a town read on this player.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:26 amThat link didn't work for me, but it's not relevant anyway. I don't care what you did before as a civilian in another game.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pmhttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:21 pm Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.
oh look here's town me doing the same
I care what you're doing with the information you're gathering in this game.
That's why my vote is still on you.
