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Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
tutuu wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:49 am ...double team is an evasion move not an attack
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found ya 😉
Fails.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
Lmfao

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
by tutuu
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am I would never use snore. I'm more of a draco meteor typa girl
miss the 90% and curl in a ball and cry?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:59 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
tutuu wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am I would never use snore. I'm more of a draco meteor typa girl
miss the 90% and curl in a ball and cry?
I've never missed. Skill issue.

Draco Meteor into outrage typa girl

Ezpz

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:10 am
by tutuu
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:59 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am I would never use snore. I'm more of a draco meteor typa girl
miss the 90% and curl in a ball and cry?
I've never missed. Skill issue.

Draco Meteor into outrage typa girl

Ezpz
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Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:33 am
by samac
I definitely knew the game started and have definitely been here reading the whole time. Yes.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:34 am
by Delta
i believe you

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:37 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:11 pm hello hello <3

just a quick pop in, will be back later but hyped to play this game with you all :D

no prs to misyeet
D1. this couldnt possibly go wrong!
right
Wolfy pop in noted :P

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:37 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
tutuu wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:10 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:59 am
tutuu wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:52 am I would never use snore. I'm more of a draco meteor typa girl
miss the 90% and curl in a ball and cry?
I've never missed. Skill issue.

Draco Meteor into outrage typa girl

Ezpz
Image
I'm a giga chad

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:38 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:33 am I definitely knew the game started and have definitely been here reading the whole time. Yes.
Me too

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:39 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
I feel like I've played with Ted maybe only once though but I think they would bee aware of how I play so I not fan of read on me.

But omgus bad so...

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:40 am
by Delta
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:37 am
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:11 pm hello hello <3

just a quick pop in, will be back later but hyped to play this game with you all :D

no prs to misyeet
D1. this couldnt possibly go wrong!
right
Wolfy pop in noted :P
awoo
I'm a good wolf I'm harmless I promise

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:40 am
by samac
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:42 pm
Xanjori wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:39 pm
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:38 pm
Xanjori wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:37 pm Oh nice I dont even have to move my vote, easy.
of course youre lurking
go away wolf
):<
If im not at work or asleep im always lurking.
The fact that you don't lurk while at work suggests a lack of dedication to what is truly important - playing a child's game with anonymous adults on two-decade-old forum software.
Child's game??
Adults only!

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:41 am
by samac
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:05 pm If I howl will it bring wolf!mother to thread?
*Awoooooooooo*
*Awoooooooooo!*
Hi my child.

YOU COULD HAVE PINGED ME ON DISCORD AND TOLD ME IT STARTED WHEN I DIDNT SHOW

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:41 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
I hope this game is only adults... cause...I kinda had a manic phase of posting that is pretty AO lol

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:18 pm someone do something interesting
i want to break this game open & get stuck in

otherwise im just gonna default to doming xan for a few hours

that normally works :p
Kinky.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
by Delta
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:18 pm someone do something interesting
i want to break this game open & get stuck in

otherwise im just gonna default to doming xan for a few hours

that normally works :p
Kinky.
NO
NO
THUNDERDOMING

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:43 am
by Delta
kill me

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:43 am
by samac
Oh Jesus how long are these cycles 72 hours?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:44 am
by samac
You all sure do profess your towniness a lot.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am
by Delta
is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:18 pm someone do something interesting
i want to break this game open & get stuck in

otherwise im just gonna default to doming xan for a few hours

that normally works :p
Kinky.
NO
NO
THUNDERDOMING
Nah they right that was very kinky

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:44 am You all sure do profess your towniness a lot.
I'm town

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Silence wolf

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Also a lot of people keep taking things in saying jokingly serious.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 am
by Delta
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ
sounds like something a wolf would say
condolences on the wolf rand ):

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:42 am
Delta wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:18 pm someone do something interesting
i want to break this game open & get stuck in

otherwise im just gonna default to doming xan for a few hours

that normally works :p
Kinky.
NO
NO
THUNDERDOMING
Ooooh.
Okay then.
You’re welcome for that.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:48 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ
sounds like something a wolf would say
condolences on the wolf rand ):
Damn.
RIP.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
by samac
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ
U woofin?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
But also it's like the wrong take

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
by samac
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ

U woofin?
No ma’am.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:53 am
by samac
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
But also it's like the wrong take
I have the wrong take or she had the wrong take!

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:53 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:47 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:46 am is that an issue?
can you not profess your towniness in the same way?
wolf??
Oh I tend to just prove it with actions.
Not shout TOWN on thread.
But if it’s the cultural norm who am I to judge?
HI. I AM SAMAC AND I AM TOWN.
Now I never get yeeted and town wins right? GG EZ

U woofin?
No ma’am.
Okay. Samac town.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:54 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
But also it's like the wrong take
I have the wrong take or she had the wrong take!
She had the wrong take

But it's okay I still love her

Image

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:55 am
by samac
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:54 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
But also it's like the wrong take
I have the wrong take or she had the wrong take!
She had the wrong take

But it's okay I still love her

Image
Cool. I dunno how I feel about the take yet but i she does make me feel warm and comfy like I’m home in most of her posts by page 3.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:56 am
by samac
Seanzie wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:51 am [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
No :(

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:57 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:55 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:54 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:53 am
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:52 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
But also it's like the wrong take
I have the wrong take or she had the wrong take!
She had the wrong take

But it's okay I still love her

Image
Cool. I dunno how I feel about the take yet but i she does make me feel warm and comfy like I’m home in most of her posts by page 3.
Intriguing. I felt nothing. But I believe you when you say you do.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:57 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:56 am
Seanzie wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:51 am [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
No :(
It's okay cause Sean is a woof

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:01 am
by Delta
where my head is at right now:

townlean on tedxtr but want to hear a little more from him to feel comfortable in thinking that
particularly wanna hear more about esooa/psv not being w/w

slightest of townleans on seanzie/falcon for coming into the game with the intent to solve
but like above need to hear a little more because i dont really wanna misclear anyone for trying to play the mafia game they signed up to

zenon/tutuu are in like. perpetual rvs. i dont really know what to make of it.
theyre like special nullreads. ive acknowledged you're here but i have no clue what your alignment is.

you have a bunch of people in actual null until they get into the game
so like xan / wilgy / (kinda) samac / belzy

and then you get to esooa/psv
esooa i've been vocal about my worry about - stems off of coming across overly pocket-y with their reads & the self awareness scares me a little. also maybe a little silly but like. maybe slipped its 10v2? because i dont think the ratio ever got confirmed but i could be wrong T_T
psv had an alright entrance but her posting ab seanzie & falcon feels kinda eh - might just be trying to pocket the louder side of town because they had something about esooa pocketing me too? i dunno i cant word this one as well. gut feels mainly. :shrug:

if i had to bump someone down it's probably gonna be tutuu because they had some ehh moments themself but i have no clue what is/isnt AI for them which makes things difficult.

"deltaaa theres not enough happening in the game to have a full worldview already!!" watch me. :slick:
I just want to provide something for someone to talk to me about please

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:02 am
by Delta
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
oh? can you tell me a little more if possible?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:03 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:00 am see even now you're posting why you read people this way but give yourself avenues to walk back those reads if you need

with falcon, you have meta on them but place them light town for now
with seanzie you say the aggression could go either way
with me you go 'oh well ive read a wolf like this before so idk'

maybe I'm just paranoid but it's the little things :s

thank you though <3 appreciate you taking the time to go through things for me
You also make me feel warm.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am
by samac
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:02 am
samac wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:49 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:53 pm I don't think Esooa and Delta are t/t
This makes me feel comfy with PSV for her to say this this early.
oh? can you tell me a little more if possible?
that read came super early and I often feel like wolf PSV tests the waters a little more, is a little more hedge-tastic early game.
Then I had a moment of paranoia with her and her interaction with Sans which paradoxically made me feel even better about her. She doesn’t have a filter and often says sketchy shit as town.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:01 am where my head is at right now:

townlean on tedxtr but want to hear a little more from him to feel comfortable in thinking that
particularly wanna hear more about esooa/psv not being w/w

slightest of townleans on seanzie/falcon for coming into the game with the intent to solve
but like above need to hear a little more because i dont really wanna misclear anyone for trying to play the mafia game they signed up to

zenon/tutuu are in like. perpetual rvs. i dont really know what to make of it.
theyre like special nullreads. ive acknowledged you're here but i have no clue what your alignment is.

you have a bunch of people in actual null until they get into the game
so like xan / wilgy / (kinda) samac / belzy

and then you get to esooa/psv
esooa i've been vocal about my worry about - stems off of coming across overly pocket-y with their reads & the self awareness scares me a little. also maybe a little silly but like. maybe slipped its 10v2? because i dont think the ratio ever got confirmed but i could be wrong T_T
psv had an alright entrance but her posting ab seanzie & falcon feels kinda eh - might just be trying to pocket the louder side of town because they had something about esooa pocketing me too? i dunno i cant word this one as well. gut feels mainly. :shrug:

if i had to bump someone down it's probably gonna be tutuu because they had some ehh moments themself but i have no clue what is/isnt AI for them which makes things difficult.

"deltaaa theres not enough happening in the game to have a full worldview already!!" watch me. :slick:
I just want to provide something for someone to talk to me about please
Delta when have you ever seen me not in perpetual rvs. I use mafia games as a chat room... normally I have a post cap to force me to at least balance it but here I don't lol

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am
by samac
Esooa wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:53 am
Seanzie wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:12 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:10 am
Seanzie wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:07 am
Esooa wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:59 amPLEASE POST
Do you have any reads?
no I've just been trolling to get people to post cause idc about anything posted yet

I can make some reads if you want but they'd be pointless
You aren't town.
Also super aggressive

Gonna just read Seanzie as too aggressive to be a wolf

But maybe he's like that as a wolf?

As a general principle it'll be most likely correct so I'm going with it atm
Wait
Is this one you have meta on?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:01 am where my head is at right now:

townlean on tedxtr but want to hear a little more from him to feel comfortable in thinking that
particularly wanna hear more about esooa/psv not being w/w

slightest of townleans on seanzie/falcon for coming into the game with the intent to solve
but like above need to hear a little more because i dont really wanna misclear anyone for trying to play the mafia game they signed up to

zenon/tutuu are in like. perpetual rvs. i dont really know what to make of it.
theyre like special nullreads. ive acknowledged you're here but i have no clue what your alignment is.

you have a bunch of people in actual null until they get into the game
so like xan / wilgy / (kinda) samac / belzy

and then you get to esooa/psv
esooa i've been vocal about my worry about - stems off of coming across overly pocket-y with their reads & the self awareness scares me a little. also maybe a little silly but like. maybe slipped its 10v2? because i dont think the ratio ever got confirmed but i could be wrong T_T
psv had an alright entrance but her posting ab seanzie & falcon feels kinda eh - might just be trying to pocket the louder side of town because they had something about esooa pocketing me too? i dunno i cant word this one as well. gut feels mainly. :shrug:

if i had to bump someone down it's probably gonna be tutuu because they had some ehh moments themself but i have no clue what is/isnt AI for them which makes things difficult.

"deltaaa theres not enough happening in the game to have a full worldview already!!" watch me. :slick:
I just want to provide something for someone to talk to me about please
Also what has Esooa done that pushes forward a wolf agenda?

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 am
by ☆Princess Abigail☆
I'm only 80 posting.

Depression.

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:09 am
by Delta
Zenon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am
Delta wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:01 am where my head is at right now:

townlean on tedxtr but want to hear a little more from him to feel comfortable in thinking that
particularly wanna hear more about esooa/psv not being w/w

slightest of townleans on seanzie/falcon for coming into the game with the intent to solve
but like above need to hear a little more because i dont really wanna misclear anyone for trying to play the mafia game they signed up to

zenon/tutuu are in like. perpetual rvs. i dont really know what to make of it.
theyre like special nullreads. ive acknowledged you're here but i have no clue what your alignment is.

you have a bunch of people in actual null until they get into the game
so like xan / wilgy / (kinda) samac / belzy

and then you get to esooa/psv
esooa i've been vocal about my worry about - stems off of coming across overly pocket-y with their reads & the self awareness scares me a little. also maybe a little silly but like. maybe slipped its 10v2? because i dont think the ratio ever got confirmed but i could be wrong T_T
psv had an alright entrance but her posting ab seanzie & falcon feels kinda eh - might just be trying to pocket the louder side of town because they had something about esooa pocketing me too? i dunno i cant word this one as well. gut feels mainly. :shrug:

if i had to bump someone down it's probably gonna be tutuu because they had some ehh moments themself but i have no clue what is/isnt AI for them which makes things difficult.

"deltaaa theres not enough happening in the game to have a full worldview already!!" watch me. :slick:
I just want to provide something for someone to talk to me about please
Delta when have you ever seen me not in perpetual rvs. I use mafia games as a chat room... normally I have a post cap to force me to at least balance it but here I don't lol
its more the fact that the lack of postcap means that you're free to just rvs to hell and back
its like you said, post cap normally forces some balance
thats kinda whats eh to me since theres no balance

Re: Turtle Mafia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:10 am
by Delta
esooa is like
self aware scummy
a lot of her early posts are just calling people town for breathing and then townreading those who pointed out that its odd
it all just comes across kinda eh. i dont know what her agenda necessarily is but how she's entered the game spooks me.
its not much for now but like
:shrug: