My head is at if I find 6 townies I win but I've only found one confident town read
Is that townie falcon?
(And thanks for the other response).
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:55 am
by Michelle
Wiml copy pasting the poll on phone is not so friendly but keeping the VCs from time to time is useful.
I mark the text and when my phone is moody it moves the mark and I have to do it again. Bigger the game, harder the job, but in this game is a piece of cake
I started to do it long ago and it's not AI for me btw
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.
His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.
Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.
He'll probably post.
Like this.
Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you
Mind explaining what you mean here?
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:57 am
by Wiml
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:55 am
Wiml copy pasting the poll on phone is not so friendly but keeping the VCs from time to time is useful.
I mark the text and when my phone is moody it moves the mark and I have to do it again. Bigger the game, harder the job, but in this game is a piece of cake
I started to do it long ago and it's not AI for me btw
Ty! Yeah I agree that it's a good idea to post them semi-regularly for solving purposes.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:58 am
by Michelle
I understand that Wiml, but also I understand Epi. The question in that post implies a fake concern if you ask me, and it's the kind of non contributive post a wolf would use at the game start.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am
JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.
Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.
Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.
Talk to me about Abigail pls
Mostly vibes while reading her posts.
She has good vibes as wolf too.
You're not wrong.
I'll see how the rest of the day plays out for her I'll tone the read down a bit.
This one
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:20 am
by Wiml
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:58 am
I understand that Wiml, but also I understand Epi. The question in that post implies a fake concern if you ask me, and it's the kind of non contributive post a wolf would use at the game start.
I appreciate this perspective because, while I don't necessarily agree, it helps me have more confidence in believing that Epi genuinely believes in the push that he's making.
On reflection, I think there's some validity in what you're saying and that it's true that it might be slightly above rand wolf behaviour in a vacuum but I think it's a very justifiable thing for Abigail to ask if town as well and am probably going to focus on things that I think are more strongly AI than this one.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am
Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town
Michelle has said why
They've answered
Michelle has said no
And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no
And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.
It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.
I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.
I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me
I take that you consider my vote on you fabricated. Give me details
I think that you are accusing me of things you are actively doing far more than I am wrt pocketing specifically
And I do not believe you believe your reasons for voting me when you have seen me play before.
I do believe them exactly because I saw you playing before and also caught you wolfing despite the fact everyone in the thread was against my push because you had a pure tone.
Aand I am pocketing my town reads when I am town in all my games if you want to call my attitude pocketing.
That's how I play.
Tbh a great player taught me that and I found it friendly and suited with my personality. It increases town's positive energy.
And if I am wrong about you, just do your thing, it's not like I have reads set in stone in the first quarter of D1
Mind linking the game you're referencing here? Seems like an interesting one to look into.
It's nice that we seem to have pretty similar philosophies towards communicating with our townreads in games.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:25 am
by Wiml
Michelle's ISO is solid.
I'm not coming out of it thinking "so towny lock town" or anything but I genuinely believe that she cares about solving the game.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:32 am
by Michelle
Wiml I quoted it already, it's Game 6 of Champs this season
We even talked endgame when she told me she played like her town game so I caught her for the wrong reason and I explained her why it was different for me.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:32 am
by Wiml
@Lime Coke
This might be the only time we play together for a while since I'm not yet sure if I'm going to keep playing FM or go back to retirement.
So if you're town you gotta impress me today and show me how much you've improved firsthand since we last played together, right?
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:33 am
by Wiml
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:32 am
Wiml I quoted it already, it's Game 6 of Champs this season
We even talked endgame when she told me she played like her town game so I caught her for the wrong reason and I explained her why it was different for me.
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am
My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.
1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.
I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.
[VOTE:
Abigail] aubergine
I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.
I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.
Sus... but actually probably towny...
Meh let's lock that in for the fuck of it
Town Core.
JJJ
+5
This might be partially answered in the question I asked above but if you could please clarify the following:
- Why is this towny from JJJ?
- Why are you adding JJJ to your confident towncore so nonchalantly when you've consistently expressed a lack of confidence in your play prior to this point? (p#204 as an example). I know that you put a lot of pride into these sort of reads, are you not concerned about being wrong again on a towncore read?
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am
My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.
1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.
I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.
[VOTE:
Abigail] aubergine
I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.
I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.
Sus... but actually probably towny...
Meh let's lock that in for the fuck of it
Town Core.
JJJ
+5
This might be partially answered in the question I asked above but if you could please clarify the following:
- Why is this towny from JJJ?
- Why are you adding JJJ to your confident towncore so nonchalantly when you've consistently expressed a lack of confidence in your play prior to this point? (p#204 as an example). I know that you put a lot of pride into these sort of reads, are you not concerned about being wrong again on a towncore read?
I told JJJ why I thought that was towny
I can't find the post but I did explain it.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:13 am
by Wiml
JJJ if you could link some town games from a different site at some point I'd appreciate it.
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am
My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.
1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.
I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.
[VOTE:
Abigail] aubergine
I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.
I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.
Sus... but actually probably towny...
Meh let's lock that in for the fuck of it
Town Core.
JJJ
+5
This might be partially answered in the question I asked above but if you could please clarify the following:
- Why is this towny from JJJ?
- Why are you adding JJJ to your confident towncore so nonchalantly when you've consistently expressed a lack of confidence in your play prior to this point? (p#204 as an example). I know that you put a lot of pride into these sort of reads, are you not concerned about being wrong again on a towncore read?
I told JJJ why I thought that was towny
I can't find the post but I did explain it.
Thanks, yeah I noticed it after I posted the question and I feel fine with thinking you could believe that.
Got a response to my second point?
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:18 am
by Wiml
GTH Abigail is town but I'd be lying if I said I felt I had a strong justification behind that tbh.
Not going to try to force a premature read there outside of that rn.
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:40 pm
So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.
*solved*
Is this to suggest you view everyone that has posted so far as civilians?
No lol I was just joking. But in general I fins that most of the early loud players are 90% civ.
These type of generalizations are what lead the town to trouble.
It's the same with me must solve between X and X.
It is just as possible for a *loud* player to be wolf as there is for *lhf* to be a wolf.
C'mon Kate you know I expect better than this from ya.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:03 pm
Why do you always have five spaces between two lines?
I
Could do
More?
lmao
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:37 am
by Wiml
Lime Coke, talk to me more about your perceived meta differences between JJJ this game and when you last saw him wolf?
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:39 am
by falcon45ca
[VOTE:
epi] aubergine
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:39 am
by Wiml
JJJ being a wolf is probably the worst possible gamestate for us rn so putting current and future effort into solving him is a good idea.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:45 am
by Roxy
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:45 am
Uh just want to clarify that despite having a lot of words about my read there that my read / vote on Michelle was more of a RVS + weak scum indicative lean thing and less of a genuine solid scumread thing.
I'm just wordy.
hey, don't think we have ever played and I am glad you posted this as your thing on Michelle was weak imo. It is way too early on D 1 to toss votes out all willy nilly imo. Ofc we all play different and a few people do pop off votes quite early that I easily dismiss as unlikely to stick.
You being wordy is like having another SpaceDaisy playing, jk but me and Daisy have had previous interactions that were not great bc of the wordiness.
welcome to TS.
I disagree with PApa (lol see what I did there) that there is a likely wolf that voted them. Too soon to say and be so sure.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:47 am
by Roxy
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:03 am
I always comb my hair and apply deodorant before entering the game thread.
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:05 am
Also @JaggedJimmyJay here are my last 2 finished games one town one mafia at MU, not turbos/mashes/anons (because I played 2 anon games, 2 mashes and 3 turbos but they are not regular games)
Thank you for these. On a quick scan, you made reads on SCCHAMP and Abgiail/Zenon (in each respective game) early on that fit the theme I had asked about earlier. That's a nice boost for you.
I disagree using other games from completely different sites to make a read on a game here.
Just my own personal rule. Mostly bc it is not fair. Some people play by phone and can't/won't follow links to read up on their own and will instead go with how you read them (your own personal view vs their own).
Not saying you are a baddie but I am also not saying you are town.
That is tbd. Just reminding others to make their own minds up for theor reads vs just accepting what someone else says bc they followed links.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:56 am
by Roxy
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am
If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:
@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both
Sorry for the mass ping!
no wtaf? I do not play your way I play my own tyvm <3 I hope you will do the same.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:56 am
by falcon45ca
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:39 am
JJJ being a wolf is probably the worst possible gamestate for us rn so putting current and future effort into solving him is a good idea.
Jay is town thus far.
If he's still here D3 and we've not flipped a wolf, he's Maf
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm
To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.
Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.
Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?
I don't believe you interpreted JJJ's statement this way.
Fake entrance.
[VOTE:
☆Princess Abigail☆] aubergine
a ott response - ping. a baby one.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:58 am
by falcon45ca
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am
If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:
@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both
Sorry for the mass ping!
I'm not gonna link em, cuz it's annoying AF on mobile (for me at least), but I'll tell ya some to check out.
Backyard Baseball, Scooby-Doo are two good ones to check out, as they're games that I won as Maf and end gamed.
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am
If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:
@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both
Sorry for the mass ping!
no wtaf? I do not play your way I play my own tyvm <3 I hope you will do the same.
What do you mean? I'm only asking you to link a couple past games of yours, not asking you to play in any specific way.
I just want to learn about the people playing in this game who I don't know.
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:45 am
Uh just want to clarify that despite having a lot of words about my read there that my read / vote on Michelle was more of a RVS + weak scum indicative lean thing and less of a genuine solid scumread thing.
I'm just wordy.
hey, don't think we have ever played and I am glad you posted this as your thing on Michelle was weak imo. It is way too early on D 1 to toss votes out all willy nilly imo. Ofc we all play different and a few people do pop off votes quite early that I easily dismiss as unlikely to stick.
You being wordy is like having another SpaceDaisy playing, jk but me and Daisy have had previous interactions that were not great bc of the wordiness.
welcome to TS.
I disagree with PApa (lol see what I did there) that there is a likely wolf that voted them. Too soon to say and be so sure.
Oh and hi!
I don't think it's ever too early to cast votes or make pushes, you just have to be aware that if you're doing these things early that they should be taken with a pinch of salt in terms of accuracy and treated accordingly.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.
His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.
Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.
He'll probably post.
Like this.
Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you
Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:05 am
by Roxy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am
It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.
The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names
I admittedly forced it here but still.
I disagree with the "high accuracy" portion of this post as the games I have played it has had only a 50/50 accuracy no worse than GTH reads imo.
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am
If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:
@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both
Sorry for the mass ping!
I'm not gonna link em, cuz it's annoying AF on mobile (for me at least), but I'll tell ya some to check out.
Backyard Baseball, Scooby-Doo are two good ones to check out, as they're games that I won as Maf and end gamed.
Appreciate the responses, I'm happy to go find the games myself.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:09 am
by falcon45ca
Lime Coke...he knows me well enough to know that everything I've done is well within my town range.
I don't believe he believes his read.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:14 am
by Roxy
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am
If I try to provide a more concrete rainbow that isn't just dichotomized for a POE pool:
Names are still not ordered within individual colors. In this case, the bottom four form a default "POE pool" that leaves room for one of the names above to drop back in if necessary. I will try not to get too absorbed into this world view (I acknowledge my rationale for each read isn't extremely thorough yet), but it's going to stagnate as long as the thread is dominated by a subset of high-activity posters. That's no slight on the folks that haven't gotten deeply involved yet; I understand time is a limited resource.
I would like to point out quite fairly I might add that I will never be a top poster.
Does that mean my reads are less than your bc you have more posts> Uh - nope.
Deeply involved is very subjective and unfair to use as people have lives work insane hours and have to be a YaYa at night.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:14 am
by Wiml
I think JJJ is more likely town than not so far but I'm taking a break for a bit.
Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:15 am
by Wiml
Somebody should be obvious town, I'd appreciate it.
Names are still not ordered within individual colors. In this case, the bottom four form a default "POE pool" that leaves room for one of the names above to drop back in if necessary. I will try not to get too absorbed into this world view (I acknowledge my rationale for each read isn't extremely thorough yet), but it's going to stagnate as long as the thread is dominated by a subset of high-activity posters. That's no slight on the folks that haven't gotten deeply involved yet; I understand time is a limited resource.
I would like to point out quite fairly I might add that I will never be a top poster.
Does that mean my reads are less than your bc you have more posts> Uh - nope.
Deeply involved is very subjective and unfair to use as people have lives work insane hours and have to be a YaYa at night.
Ftr I don't think JJJ meant this as a slight at all.
Nobody in the yellows at the time of that post had posted anything game-related (only 1 person, you, had posted). It's pretty fair to say that those people hadn't yet been deeply involved yet and all he's saying there is that you haven't had the time to play as of then, not that you're a worse player or have less accurate reads.
Names are still not ordered within individual colors. In this case, the bottom four form a default "POE pool" that leaves room for one of the names above to drop back in if necessary. I will try not to get too absorbed into this world view (I acknowledge my rationale for each read isn't extremely thorough yet), but it's going to stagnate as long as the thread is dominated by a subset of high-activity posters. That's no slight on the folks that haven't gotten deeply involved yet; I understand time is a limited resource.
I would like to point out quite fairly I might add that I will never be a top poster.
Does that mean my reads are less than your bc you have more posts> Uh - nope.
Deeply involved is very subjective and unfair to use as people have lives work insane hours and have to be a YaYa at night.
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am
If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:
@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both
Sorry for the mass ping!
no wtaf? I do not play your way I play my own tyvm <3 I hope you will do the same.
What do you mean? I'm only asking you to link a couple past games of yours, not asking you to play in any specific way.
I just want to learn about the people playing in this game who I don't know.
I won't do it bc I disagree on playing a meta based game state. You can play by meta if ya want to I never will base my game on them nor can I learn about player just by reading a past game, if you can more power to ya.
I have played many games on this site. Have fun in the Museum of the Mafioso.
