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Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:02 pmI give this vote a B-MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!I give this vote a C-, borderline F.
Voting a wagon while hedging a town? Makes me just want to townread LC by association with this vote.
I give this vote a C- as well.baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergineMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!
please don't die martin
these wolves will rip me apart!!!
I don’t know baker as a player, but this screams performative, and not in the one winning any awards
I give this vote a B+
Being that it was the initial vote and stayed there for the last 2 hours of the day, while Wilgy was involved and present, is not incredibly suspicious.
Gotta be honest, I came into today based on backreading comments at end of day wanting Wilgy’s head, but I don’t think his vote on that wagon is the most suspicious after looking at the votes in iso.
Baker had seemingly no reason to vote falcon based on what’s shown. It could be said Stick was just looking to ‘consolidate their vote’ which is a towny quality in binary terms, but the post voting for LC while shrugging about the falcon vote was super weird to me.
How is this logic even legal?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pmYou’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:43 pm scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare
think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better
mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then
I think I need to sort you
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:06 pmNoteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservationMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it
do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?
you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective
I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.
This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?
I will townlean Wilgy for this post. I think we are all thinking Abi looks sus from this but honestly Scotty has been making pushes on a very false narrative that can harm town more. Wilgy voting DM here is a towny reaction to that.
Why would you be sus of that? You haven't been here and are an unknown element that needs to be removed.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:13 am catching up soon, but hella SUS of Wilgy's + Martin's vote towards me....
Why Abi/I?baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:06 pmScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:02 pmI give this vote a B-MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!I give this vote a C-, borderline F.
Voting a wagon while hedging a town? Makes me just want to townread LC by association with this vote.
I give this vote a C- as well.baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergineMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!
please don't die martin
these wolves will rip me apart!!!
I don’t know baker as a player, but this screams performative, and not in the one winning any awards
I give this vote a B+
Being that it was the initial vote and stayed there for the last 2 hours of the day, while Wilgy was involved and present, is not incredibly suspicious.
Gotta be honest, I came into today based on backreading comments at end of day wanting Wilgy’s head, but I don’t think his vote on that wagon is the most suspicious after looking at the votes in iso.
Baker had seemingly no reason to vote falcon based on what’s shown. It could be said Stick was just looking to ‘consolidate their vote’ which is a towny quality in binary terms, but the post voting for LC while shrugging about the falcon vote was super weird to me.
This whole focus on the wagon reeks of bad intentions. Normally I wanted to prod between Abbi/Wilgy today but Scotty voting the LHF slot out of this wagon/flip looks very bad.
"Performative" is a baseless accusation and actually proves my point in that post. I didn't like you sniffing me earlier in D1 and coming to D2 you already want to feast on me. Disgusting play!
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
What's wrong with his assumptions?baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:11 pmHow is this logic even legal?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pmYou’re crazy if you think falcon’s wagon had all town on it.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:43 pm scotty
abbi
master radishes
darling
garebare
think that's what I'll want to sort out, just wanted to write it down so I can sort things out in my head better
mild chance I've mistakenly townread someone but that's something for future martin to worry about if I don't find this PoE to be all that enlightening and I am somehow not dead by then
I think I need to sort you
Who are you to call the EoD wagon formation wolfy? You weren't even there!!!
Where is the nuanced reads elsewhere this game? Why if town, does it take Scotty pushing you to get a read like this?baker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:16 pmScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:06 pmNoteworthy? Not really. If there’s only 2 mafia, and abbi is bad, her partner doesn’t need to pile on an errant wagon, especially one that she herself didn’t even bother voting for in self preservationMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it
do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?
you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective
I’d expect wolves to be willing to vote…where the colors of the wind take them, like Pocahontas.
This is a weird inquiry. Do you think we should be looking more at Abbi?
I can see w!Scotty making this post in hopes of throwing a possible LHF Abi under the bus and Abi could be either alignment here. This is not a post many town can make. There is a negotiation here with an appeal to authority(Martin).
why do i need to be removed if im town, im almost convinced youre wolfDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:22 amWhy would you be sus of that? You haven't been here and are an unknown element that needs to be removed.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:13 am catching up soon, but hella SUS of Wilgy's + Martin's vote towards me....
How do I know you are town?DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:41 amwhy do i need to be removed if im town, im almost convinced youre wolfDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:22 amWhy would you be sus of that? You haven't been here and are an unknown element that needs to be removed.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:13 am catching up soon, but hella SUS of Wilgy's + Martin's vote towards me....
Define town Wilgy play. You've seen me town twice and Wolf once. I don't think I'm playing like either this game.
which I did the same thing on Severance when wolves tried to take me out creating a weak, false narrativeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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Fair, double checked as I only remembered you doing it in timelines.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:04 amwhich I did the same thing on Severance when wolves tried to take me out creating a weak, false narrativeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:55 am Just gonna put this down here, but your crack back suspicion looks exactly the same as it did when you were wolf in timelines:
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That's kinda just factually incorrect as I voted you out incorrectly in Ted Lasso.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:03 amout of the 3 games, the only time you were voting for me you were wolf, so.... just like this game
you sus wilgy yet are voting w/ him for 2 consecutive days... sure... AKA huge red flagMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:18 pmyou're town, cautious lean town on stick
everyone else is up in the air, though I am a bit tempted to sheep your read of scotty and to sus wilgy a bit. Scotty I hold back on because I haven't seen him scum in ages (I think) and yet when he's town he's usually preety strong in showing that, and wilgy I'm holding back on because I feel my only issue to pick with him is his wolf read of you and thats petty lol.
@Stick what happened with the first point? so much for believing falcon was town then being a part of the vote to lynch them at end of day 1....
we need your post + vote if youre town, and we want a fighting chance
Savage town Scotty momentScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:32 pmYea. WeMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:25 pm especially since, uh, we may have voted one off recently
Who was even on my wagonMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Oh and Scotty since Flacon's flip, we know from your perspective (assuming town) that the abbi wagon had all town on it
do you think its noteworthy that nobody really joined that wagon? If the wolves were intentionally avoiding that wagon, who would you say that felt most inclined to do so?
you don't need to answer those questions specifically, but I think your thoughts would be contributive to how we all collectively solve the game given your unique insight from that perspective
Why wouldn't wolves want limp noodle Abbi around I'm an easy kill later in the game.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:03 pmTalking to the ‘other intentions’ hypothesis- I don’t know why mafia would have any information on that slot. So to me it’s eitherMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:53 pmThat sounds like a good summary. Though if it indicates alignment I would lean wolf since I feel like vote resistance is less likely to occur on towns, especially with a low-activity thread. Vote resistance on wolves would also prob be more reasonable in such an environment, as town activity will likely be unpredictable, though I am well aware I am talking right now to a former wolf who actively bussed their buddy in the game I recently hosted.
A) Abbi is a partner to 2 other mafia not biting on her on purpose
B) Abbi was just town and a non threat to mafia, as she wasn’t making much of an imprint in the thread and nonproductive collateral when they could get someone else that had more of a handle on the thread
I think it’s B
Tbh killing unknown elements is gonna just kill a lot of towns for no info in most casesDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:22 amWhy would you be sus of that? You haven't been here and are an unknown element that needs to be removed.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:13 am catching up soon, but hella SUS of Wilgy's + Martin's vote towards me....
No idea and yesDarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:04 amwe need your post + vote if youre town, and we want a fighting chance
what are ur reads on the players who voted for falcon? are u still confident on your stick town read?
Most likely yes. Just a matter of when those odds are best in our favor if we must.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:30 amTbh killing unknown elements is gonna just kill a lot of towns for no info in most casesDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:22 amWhy would you be sus of that? You haven't been here and are an unknown element that needs to be removed.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:13 am catching up soon, but hella SUS of Wilgy's + Martin's vote towards me....
can you elaborate on this? do you think wolves wouldve tmi'd falcon there/tried to white knight them? what if abbi is a wolf? you dont seem to consider that world here, because in w!abbi worlds wolves wouldve jumped on any counter wagon imoMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:34 pm also I don't really feel like DrWilgy tried to take advantage of the situation wherein a wolf might since they would know falcon to be town
dont worry, that was a light hearted comment im not serious :p in hindsight we shouldnt have flashwagoned an AFK guy in a closed setup game, but it happens!! i wasnt really thinking about PRs ill admit lol. there was still a save overnight tho so we're not in too bad of a spot. i still have a townlean on you i thinkMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:52 pmunfortunately, I am several years into my mafia career and so am not so prone to being guilt-ridden by mistakes
regardless though I partially stand by on my actions because I don't think Falcon took showing himself to be town seriously
forum mafia is more than about solving, even if you have the perfect solve you still have to convince people about why you're town, why X is bad, counteract WIFOM issues, etc etc etc
also, worst comes to worse, we'll have some wagon shifting to look at if we presume the wolves cared about appearances
ok i know i just said i had a townlean on you but this is giving performative wolf vibes again im sorry flsdflMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:01 pm also, like
re "crazy"
I guess I could be crazy but honestly fuck that the opinion / not you, we have 250ish posts, several very low posting/contributing players, and I'm not consistently superb at playing mafia
right now I'm just trying, saying things, dumping whatever thoughts I have that might even be 10% relevant
contributing somehow in the hopes we all figure something out
maybe that constitutes crazy but like its not as if I can avoid being that if the circumstances promote it or whatever
this is...a pretty ok analysis of those votes, ill say. mostly because i think your assessment of what my vote there looks reasonable and id have agreed with it if those posts werent made my me LOLScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:02 pmI give this vote a B-MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!I give this vote a C-, borderline F.
Voting a wagon while hedging a town? Makes me just want to townread LC by association with this vote.
I give this vote a C- as well.baker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:54 pm[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergineMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:52 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
party at my place tonight if I'm indeed obvious villager!
please don't die martin
these wolves will rip me apart!!!
I don’t know baker as a player, but this screams performative, and not in the one winning any awards
I give this vote a B+
Being that it was the initial vote and stayed there for the last 2 hours of the day, while Wilgy was involved and present, is not incredibly suspicious.
Gotta be honest, I came into today based on backreading comments at end of day wanting Wilgy’s head, but I don’t think his vote on that wagon is the most suspicious after looking at the votes in iso.
Baker had seemingly no reason to vote falcon based on what’s shown. It could be said Stick was just looking to ‘consolidate their vote’ which is a towny quality in binary terms, but the post voting for LC while shrugging about the falcon vote was super weird to me.
okay this is a pretty townie development of thought nglScotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:12 pmYou weren’t. You started it- I clarified in my next post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:05 pmWeird implying I was part of the pile on.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:47 pm Something funky with that end of day vote pile on falcon.
I’m looking at you, Martin/wilgy/stick/baker.
Not all of those are bad, but I find it hard to believe that was all town. Nothing about falcon seemed particularly suspicious to me.
My initial perception is it was a save on Abbi based on votes, but that’s if there were 3+ mafia. Abbi didn’t even save herself which is…uhhh…sure something.
Anyway 9v3 seems overpowered. Could be 9 v 2 v 1 I guess.
But I dunno what the 3p would be. SK seems almost impossible with no kill last night.
Probably operating under 10v2 with some powerful scum PRs until we see a reason to believe otherwise.
10 v 2 is a 4 misyeeter
9 v 3 is a 3 misyeeter
Both theoretically within a realm of balance, the latter being slightly scum favored. Probably try to play for the first and hope?
I think you came out of that looking townier, which is annoying because I really thought I had you
