Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [LEGION CONQUEST]

[LanMisa]

Why for both? Why maybe?

Chelsea's questioning of me feels towny since she isn't just trying to kill me or get me in a gotcha it's just trying to figure out what I'm doing.


Manny because of him looking to sheep Chelsea but doesn't instantly do it the moment she votes someone and questions it.

Maybe because it's something Manny can do as mafia but I'm choosing to think it's town.

The choice of reading someone by whim it's not giving the best answer.
I trust neither of them, especially because they look like distancing and playing 'towny'

That's not the impression I got from the exchange earlier, it felt to me like Chelsea was actually... taken back a bit? It felt like a proper chastising.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sker hype. Sker who potentially only has a 2 shot poison? No hype. Feel bad for them if they randed that. Oh well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also note: any post containing only a vote and nothing else will not count toward the post maximum.

You're only making things harder on yourself.

[Chelsea]

[VOTE: No one] aubergine

[Michelle]

Why for both? Why maybe?

Chelsea's questioning of me feels towny since she isn't just trying to kill me or get me in a gotcha it's just trying to figure out what I'm doing.


Manny because of him looking to sheep Chelsea but doesn't instantly do it the moment she votes someone and questions it.

Maybe because it's something Manny can do as mafia but I'm choosing to think it's town.

The choice of reading someone by whim it's not giving the best answer.
I trust neither of them, especially because they look like distancing and playing 'towny'

That's not the impression I got from the exchange earlier, it felt to me like Chelsea was actually... taken back a bit? It felt like a proper chastising.

I don't really understand your post, if you can say it again pls.

[LanMisa]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Also Manny's sheep on others so lazily is also a thing I don't trust.

I am still thinking at these, any feedback is welcomed

I don't have Manny as town yet which is a slight concern, I didn't see anything that would elevate him above neutral.

Manny asking for other people's reads isn't an issue, but passiveness is.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

What up Lime? We need to add you to the Davedob/Pawn/Jack wrestlechat.

[LanMisa]

Why for both? Why maybe?

Chelsea's questioning of me feels towny since she isn't just trying to kill me or get me in a gotcha it's just trying to figure out what I'm doing.


Manny because of him looking to sheep Chelsea but doesn't instantly do it the moment she votes someone and questions it.

Maybe because it's something Manny can do as mafia but I'm choosing to think it's town.

The choice of reading someone by whim it's not giving the best answer.
I trust neither of them, especially because they look like distancing and playing 'towny'

That's not the impression I got from the exchange earlier, it felt to me like Chelsea was actually... taken back a bit? It felt like a proper chastising.

I don't really understand your post, if you can say it again pls.

What I meant is: Chelsea's reaction to Manny buttering up to her felt natural and not staged. I think that she was... negatively surprised? Not sure how to express that better. Considering that Chelsea did not expect that approach and acted in a rejecting way I doubt that Chelsea and Manny are both part of a wolf team.

(And I generally townread Chelsea anyways).

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think there's a good chance I'll get bored, go missing almost the whole day and return EOD to either see a large wagon on me or lead away from wolf to a mislynch.

That’s your …. Civilian meta, is it not?

Basically, yeah. At some point, Creature will learn to buck his meta. Or maybe he already did in a game and I just don't remember it? Still probably townCreature itg.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hi Brad!
I'll listen to that song later in the day


Long Con seems town.
Scotty, not that much.
Creature asked for a toDay pass. I'll give it to him

Why not Scotty?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Claiming should be something precious and special that is done at just the right time, for the right reasons. Not given away Day 1 like a common street whore.

I feel like this is a cheeky role claim..

Is there a street whore role?

No. JaggedJimmyJay is in Fallout 2, not New Vegas.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok real talk right quick.
I don’t know how many of you jumnajis have played this game or are familiar wit the source material. I certainly have never played Fallout in any capacity- I just know they have vaults. Is this the one with the large bulbous looking dude with the conical hands that is the guardian of the little girl with the teddy bear?

Anyway, I’m probably not th best person to analyze mech but it’s what I do. It’s what I do.

Mech notes at a glance
18 player game with 3 guaranteed mafia and 2 indies is,..odd. A lot hinges on the secret mambo courier #5. If there’s one definite aggro 3p, it would make sense that there is a more benign one here with this player count. It’s too early to speculate on how many mafia. 3 mafia sounds a slightly town sided, and 4 sounds wolf sided, but that should be easier to speculate if the courier role is revealed in any way.

Town has a guaranteed 1x tracker/1x jailer, and then fuckin more chaff than a bucket of spuds. 12-13/23 is hard to manage, considering 12 of the possible roles are VT. This gurauntees at least someone is VT. Probably 4-5 is my guess. If there’s 4 mafia, we’ve probably got more town PRs to compensate.



Why am I sayin talk this, you may ask? Well, because I’m drunk and sometimes I just talk about shit.
I want to kill the evil 3p. @Mafia, if you wanna team up, I’ll promise not to go after you this game too early if we can find and eliminate the mean arsonist/poisoner/mushroom menace. Sound good?

Omg Scotty bad for wanting to focus on the 3p

[Chelsea]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

[Michelle]

Hi Brad!
I'll listen to that song later in the day


Long Con seems town.
Scotty, not that much.
Creature asked for a toDay pass. I'll give it to him

Why not Scotty?

For the slight shade at Creature and the mech post with 3 wolves.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

So you agree that Michelle is hitting some gnarly notes?

Not yet but obviously I know how to read you and how you play.

Michelle I'm giving time.

Why is it "obviously"?

I like this post from Long Con. Going back and forth in my head if I like these posts from Lime or not. Like the Scotty read is too easy but it's also so much too easy that maybe mafia doesn't give that read like that. I like LC questioning it either way.

(Note for new players. Hi @Dunnstral but also @DarlingMonroe @LanMisa @Manny. "LC" is Long Con." Lime Coke is abbreviated "Lime" or "Brad.")

[LanMisa]

Okay, managed to catch up properly. Thoughts so far:

Townreads: Chelsea, Scotty

Both had strong openings, don't shy away from making waves and throwing out reads early, both feel inquisitive and mindful

Slight townleans: Abigail, Michelle
Abigail had some volume that I consider "empty" but also one banger reads list. I kinda agree that wolves don't seem to have a lot of thread presence yet since I townread all the players who made waves so far.

Michelle feels towny in tone and approach as well but it has been ages since I had meaningful games with Michelle so I am not quite up to date on how to read her.

Neutral: Lime, Creature
Lime had the slight issue in my eyes that I felt like he was mostly going for the "everyone is happiness" approach, a strategy I like to do in uninspired wolf games that can come from TMI and a lack of easy pushes. I disliked the "forcing townreads" stuff. I don't have any direct issue with a single post though, so... we'll see where this goes.

Creature has a NAI Creature opening so far but as per usual I will roast you over the fiery pit if I don't get to see at least SOME reads and gameplay-related posts before the end of the phase - THIS is usually what makes Creature obvious, whether his whining gets backed up by an attempt of participation - or not.

Worrisome: Manny, seanzie, Dunnstral
Manny feels less energetic than I'd thought I'd see him play in a game with several of the people he himself recruited. I do have a potential explanation on why he'd play the way he does (at least if this could be compared to MU games) but... I honestly hoped to find Manny early D1 and just chill, which is not the case.

Dunnstral has had a lot of posts but nothing so far managed to stick with me. If someone else knows how to read Dunn I'm all ears, but from experience this is something that's either wolf indicative - or a clash of playstyle/personal tiredness.

seanzie had a lot of nothing paired with a long period of absence, and as I said earlier it's the one take from Scotty that I disagree with, so far.

Rest of the crowd didn't leave an impression enough to be on this list yet.

[LanMisa]

I think there's a good chance I'll get bored, go missing almost the whole day and return EOD to either see a large wagon on me or lead away from wolf to a mislynch.

That’s your …. Civilian meta, is it not?

Basically, yeah. At some point, Creature will learn to buck his meta. Or maybe he already did in a game and I just don't remember it? Still probably townCreature itg.

Unless Creature had a massive meta shift while I wasn't looking I claim this to be a premature read.

[Michelle]

Why for both? Why maybe?

Chelsea's questioning of me feels towny since she isn't just trying to kill me or get me in a gotcha it's just trying to figure out what I'm doing.


Manny because of him looking to sheep Chelsea but doesn't instantly do it the moment she votes someone and questions it.

Maybe because it's something Manny can do as mafia but I'm choosing to think it's town.

The choice of reading someone by whim it's not giving the best answer.
I trust neither of them, especially because they look like distancing and playing 'towny'

That's not the impression I got from the exchange earlier, it felt to me like Chelsea was actually... taken back a bit? It felt like a proper chastising.

I don't really understand your post, if you can say it again pls.

What I meant is: Chelsea's reaction to Manny buttering up to her felt natural and not staged. I think that she was... negatively surprised? Not sure how to express that better. Considering that Chelsea did not expect that approach and acted in a rejecting way I doubt that Chelsea and Manny are both part of a wolf team.

(And I generally townread Chelsea anyways).

I took that as distancing, maybe I should reread it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

Lately? Town. I haven't been putting as much effort into mafia in general in the last year or two and that makes it a lot harder for me to avoid yeet as a wolf whereas townJack can just do a burst of solving and either find a wolf, get out of dodge or both. Being super active for say 4 hours and gone for the other 20 just hurts me a lot more if I'm wolf aligned.

3P roles are best roles, though.

[Chelsea]

How old is this meta? I know Creature has gone through some sort of meta shift that doesn't make his meta= "Is Creature posting more than 10 posts? Town"

Like, they've won wolf games before. I know this is probably a bit ironic considering I have Creature in my townreads but still.

[Scotty]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

He’s said that wasn’t the reason that he townread me- it was my aggressiveness

Which is blatantly wrong because I’m plenty aggressive as wolf too. But that’s fine.

Also, I’ve already expressed that me mentioning mech is bound to be poo-poo’d and here we are

[LanMisa]

How old is this meta? I know Creature has gone through some sort of meta shift that doesn't make his meta= "Is Creature posting more than 10 posts? Town"

Like, they've won wolf games before. I know this is probably a bit ironic considering I have Creature in my townreads but still.

As late as this year. Creature is (to me) a tone and play read, not a volume read.

[Chelsea]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

Lately? Town. I haven't been putting as much effort into mafia in general in the last year or two and that makes it a lot harder for me to avoid yeet as a wolf whereas townJack can just do a burst of solving and either find a wolf, get out of dodge or both. Being super active for say 4 hours and gone for the other 20 just hurts me a lot more if I'm wolf aligned.

3P roles are best roles, though.

Funny considering how I viewed your entrance coming into the thread a tad painful in the trying to fit in way but I do like the way this is worded. Of course it could just be a true statement but considering the standards you've just set on yourself I don't mind sitting back and watching to see how it plays out for now.

[Scotty]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

Oh hi.

Well combine it with the post going after Michelle and you probably saw already I found him being aggressive early to be town indicative of Scotty.

I actually didn't read the second sentence idk why.

I'm flat out holding it since I believe in my read on Scotty.

Plus literally need something out of this shitty SOD.

God I wanna be wolf in a game with you so I can just absolutely snow you

[Chelsea]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

He’s said that wasn’t the reason that he townread me- it was my aggressiveness

Which is blatantly wrong because I’m plenty aggressive as wolf too. But that’s fine.

Also, I’ve already expressed that me mentioning mech is bound to be poo-poo’d and here we are

Talk about mech in and of itself is fine when it's relevant not the first few posts of the game where it helps nothing and is just empty noise in a thread. It's less the fact it's mech and more the fact it's easy, but that's an entirely different conversation not needed for this thread.

[Scotty]

Hello Manny, you forced me to join this so wouldn't it be you who has to carry me? I'm disappointed.

I cant carry mself, let alone carry you
why u wanna vote abigail btw?

Why must you ask to be carried then ask even more questions when the option presents itself to you? If you don't want to be get up off your butt and find your own vote.

Between all the empty filler posting the stuff that has content and explanation around it feels overly explained and LAMIST for how they've already presented the way they want to play.

If you see a better vote at these current times, I'm all ears.

Let me ask you... do you know who I am

Also it's bullsh8t to say my posts are filler I'm so sick of this narrative around me

I reverse my read based on your posts from this page. You are now a townread, with Seanzie and TSP.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

Lately? Town. I haven't been putting as much effort into mafia in general in the last year or two and that makes it a lot harder for me to avoid yeet as a wolf whereas townJack can just do a burst of solving and either find a wolf, get out of dodge or both. Being super active for say 4 hours and gone for the other 20 just hurts me a lot more if I'm wolf aligned.

3P roles are best roles, though.

Funny considering how I viewed your entrance coming into the thread a tad painful in the trying to fit in way but I do like the way this is worded. Of course it could just be a true statement but considering the standards you've just set on yourself I don't mind sitting back and watching to see how it plays out for now.

Um okay?

Wasn't my entrance like...not about the game itself for several posts?

[Chelsea]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

Lately? Town. I haven't been putting as much effort into mafia in general in the last year or two and that makes it a lot harder for me to avoid yeet as a wolf whereas townJack can just do a burst of solving and either find a wolf, get out of dodge or both. Being super active for say 4 hours and gone for the other 20 just hurts me a lot more if I'm wolf aligned.

3P roles are best roles, though.

Funny considering how I viewed your entrance coming into the thread a tad painful in the trying to fit in way but I do like the way this is worded. Of course it could just be a true statement but considering the standards you've just set on yourself I don't mind sitting back and watching to see how it plays out for now.

Um okay?

Wasn't my entrance like...not about the game itself for several posts?

You're trying to make the point that: "How can I be trying to fit in if my posting wasn't about the game?" Right?

I've seen many people who struggle to play as a wolf come in awkwardly and talk about things that aren't game-related. But, that wasn't even the issue I had with the post it just felt tonally strange. I'm not that concerned though as previously stated if you're that confident in your solves I'll wait to see it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack: Yay serial killers
Jack: Hi friendos Darlingmonroe and Michelle and Lime
Jack: Jay is a whore joke
Jack: Creature metaread town I guess
Chelsea: Hmm. Painful blending

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, do you prefer randing town or wolf?

JW.

Lately? Town. I haven't been putting as much effort into mafia in general in the last year or two and that makes it a lot harder for me to avoid yeet as a wolf whereas townJack can just do a burst of solving and either find a wolf, get out of dodge or both. Being super active for say 4 hours and gone for the other 20 just hurts me a lot more if I'm wolf aligned.

3P roles are best roles, though.

Funny considering how I viewed your entrance coming into the thread a tad painful in the trying to fit in way but I do like the way this is worded. Of course it could just be a true statement but considering the standards you've just set on yourself I don't mind sitting back and watching to see how it plays out for now.

Um okay?

Wasn't my entrance like...not about the game itself for several posts?

You're trying to make the point that: "How can I be trying to fit in if my posting wasn't about the game?" Right?

I've seen many people who struggle to play as a wolf come in awkwardly and talk about things that aren't game-related. But, that wasn't even the issue I had with the post it just felt tonally strange. I'm not that concerned though as previously stated if you're that confident in your solves I'll wait to see it.

Okay that makes more sense. Emphasis on struggle over blending.

[Scotty]

See for Scotty I largely wolf read early mech posts in games and in my data they are 70% of the time wolf posts but I think everything around the bread stuff is just so insanely town that I'm willing to lock that in early

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

Breads insistence that Scotty is town and his read is right against all challenges is just towny imo I'd not be willing to lock that though

Manny feels decidedly disengaged but that's something old me would hard town read however new me is trying to be more patient with what I town lock so I'm gonna say town lean

Chelsea pushing me I hate but only cause this narrative is the same one I get miskilled for constantly by and large I think... assuming Chelsea has no experience with me... that Chelsea is town

What I'm saying is I think the active part of the thread is all town

I will agree that in a vacuum, regardless of Lime Coke’s alignment, his endorsement does make me pretty town unless we’re both exactly wolves. He seems to stake a lot of credence on his godread of me after having only played like 1-2 games with me since we wolfed together 2 years ago.
More background on that game: it was just us in a jester game- I was a little hesitant because…it was a jester game so we needed to play close to our chest. He died early, and I was widely townread until town yeeted the jester. Then after that game I went on a 20-game town streak. Since then, every time I’ve randed wolf, I win. Being aggressive against teammates, being not aggressive. Whatever. I don’t even think he’s seen most of the games I’ve randed wolf.

This isn’t to self aggrandize, but I think his stance of godreading me, if coming from a wolf, is plain TMI. And coming from a town is just a bizarre hill to die on.


And that’s how I met your mother

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think there's a good chance I'll get bored, go missing almost the whole day and return EOD to either see a large wagon on me or lead away from wolf to a mislynch.

That’s your …. Civilian meta, is it not?

Basically, yeah. At some point, Creature will learn to buck his meta. Or maybe he already did in a game and I just don't remember it? Still probably townCreature itg.

Unless Creature had a massive meta shift while I wasn't looking I claim this to be a premature read.

Meh.

[Scotty]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post.

Agreed. Because I share this viewpoint I will light townread you. It shows Chelsea hasn’t really read the thread before making a blanket statement/read.

Also light scum read Chelsea.

Current list:

Townread:
Seanzie
Princess Abbi
TSP

Townlean:
Dunnstral

Scum lean:
Lime Coke
Chelsea
Creature

Scumread:
Michelle

[Scotty]

They talk later about their reasons and it was not the mech post. But you assume it is and run with it and ask questions about that.

It's strange to me that Lime Coke rushes to call you town too given the above.

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

It is a bit of a misrepresentation to frame it like this, they made their posts at the start of the day and haven't posted since then. As for me I don't have an opinion on Creature yet but didn't find their early posts to be alarming (though I also dislike when people say they're not good on day 1 like this)

It’s alarming when you look at creature through the lens of activity and gloomdooming. That’s more of a scum tell.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But in all seriousness, I think Lime Coke thinks he has a good read on what my town game looks like.

I think it *more* likely, however;l, that he’s TMIing me

Maybe. Or maybe you're the Wolf, and saying that is an attempt to give good mindset vibes to the thread.

It's possible that townLime is incorrectly confident in his ability to determine Scotty's alignment and has incorrectly handed out a lolwrong townread on wolfScotty. But I agree it's more likely just right townLime or tmi wolfLime. Or I guess wolfLime putting on a play with wolfScotty.

Weird for LC to be like "or maybe you're the wolf" cause like the wolfScotty townLime seems to be the least likely alignment configuration. Like true neutral.

[Scotty]

Why must you ask to be carried then ask even more questions when the option presents itself to you? If you don't want to be get up off your butt and find your own vote.

I can be carried and have curiosity they arent mutually exclusive!.
also u arent even voting her yourself, it wouldnt even be following u if i voted her now :curtain:

I do apologize you're right it would be a bit boring if you just did what I asked without a second glance. But, you're supposed to carry me why else would I join?

Surely you didn't want me to roll mafia again.

There is at least 1 mafia between Chelsea/Manny

I base this on the fact that they both rhyme

[Scotty]

Michelle is town.

Why

Michelle is town.

I unfortunately agree.

Por que

[Michelle]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post.

Agreed. Because I share this viewpoint I will light townread you. It shows Chelsea hasn’t really read the thread before making a blanket statement/read.

Also light scum read Chelsea.

Current list:

Townread:
Seanzie
Princess Abbi
TSP

Townlean:
Dunnstral

Scum lean:
Lime Coke
Chelsea
Creature

Scumread:
Michelle

Can you explain your read on Tony (1)?
And your scum read on me.
And Chelsea and Brad.
And whatever you want to add.

[Michelle]

As Esl and illiterate I have no idea how come Chelsea and Manny rhyme together.
But what do I know?

[Scotty]

Townread:
Michelle
Chelsea
Scotty

Townlean:
Manny
Dunnstral

I added Dunnstral to townleans because I think...whatever he's doing is towny.

You have felt more comfortable within the thread after our interaction. Bumping you up to Townlean

[Scotty]

And to all who didn't greet me, a pox on your houses

So long

And thanks for the all the fish

[Scotty]

My feeling is most of the mafia have yet to post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Ama.

Do you know how to change a tire?

[Jackofhearts2005]

How did I not notice @MacDougall was in this game? Sup brah?

[Scotty]

I AM TOWN!







The strongest of all warriors are these two - time & patience

Copycat

[Jackofhearts2005]

Bomething Romething Aomething Domething

I do actually townread this. Sorry wolves. Cry harder.

[Scotty]

Your posting style makes me think you are trying to get by on a vibe read this game. Your townreads feel similar to what other people at the time were saying without explaining why you think so.

Why is trying to get by on vibe reads mafia indicative?. You arent wrong on me doing that but i dont think is particularly AI.
Brad is a meta read, Scotty was a tone read, i could go look up the posts that made me have those reads but why bother when like u said its similar to the consensus?

I believe it is mafia indicative because I believe mafia like to try to get themself into a stable position where they are not a real consideration for the elimination. That is their main goal at the start of the game and it tends to be effective to look "towny" early.

You should bother to explain your reads so we know how you reached your conclusions. Your process can be more important than the result. You saying it is consensus anyway is not helpful.

I’m sold. Too many people are townreading Michelle on vibe posting this early and it’s wigging me out.

[VOTE: Manny] aubergine who is now a scumlean

[Michelle]

Ok. I like Jack now.

[Michelle]

I am waiting for my answer, Scotty

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can you point to where you feel they are being aggressive?

I see a few places where they are poking at people, can they really not do the same as mafia? (Or third party, but you made no claims to that effect)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok. I like Jack now.

Aww I like you too. As a sister.