The Syndicate

I thought your case on MP was good TH. I'm torn between him and inh. I'm still going to hold off for a bit before I vote. So many random votes! I really didn't expect it for this lynch.

juliets wrote:I thought your case on MP was good TH. I'm torn between him and inh. I'm still going to hold off for a bit before I vote. So many random votes! I really didn't expect it for this lynch.

Seems it's going the spread vote way after all.

Here is where I am. i am likely to vote INH also. He is the only one who stands out for me at the moment. Either that or..........random!

Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Juliets, my concern about MP is that I haven't really seen his civvie game recently, he's been a baddie or independent. Maybe I'm latching onto the wrong things about him. But I didn't like how his opinion on FZ kept switching even though she made no new posts that would influence his thoughts. I also didn't like that he tried to pin his own idea of voting a non-poster onto Llama, that seemed strange.

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Turnip Head wrote:I also didn't like that he tried to pin his own idea of voting a non-poster onto Llama, that seemed strange.

To be fair, although I have eased off a little recently, when I first started playing Mafia I was relentless about going after non-participants. It's understandable that MP remembers me for that, even though I am a kinder, gentler llama these days. You just weren't around to see it at the time.

I agree the FZ thing is weird though.

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

Ah...your famous civ "instinct"!

Wow, this has got to be the most active day 1 I've seen here, in terms of real hunting. I like it!

MP definitely seems all over the place and even though he received a lot of suspicions, TH is the first one to have voted for him. Didn't Dom say he was voting for him? What happened to that vote? The thing I liked least was his sudden vote for Daisy. Where the hell did that come from, and what's up with his suspicions of me. Is he, or is he not?
Thing is, I started out thinking he was one of the people who I trusted the most, but recent events made my good feelings decrease. I tend to trust my gut feelings in the start of the game, so I really don't want to vote for him. I felt he was the one who was pushing the game forward the most.
The, there is Epi. I absolutely loved Epig's analysis of MP, and the funny thing is, before I left for the day I thought I was going to vote for Epi' because I've only played two games with him, one where he was a baddie and one a civvie, and the differences were remarkable, and I felt he was reminding me of that baddie game. But after what he's said in the last 24 hours, he's seeming a whole lot more civvie to me, but we'll see.

I don't think I can follow the INH vote, because it seems like a crappy reason to vote for someone, no offense. Over defensiveness, especially at this stage, is almost always a civvie behavior. Baddies try to keep their cool, and being over defensive so early in the game, is just going to get you in the exact place he seems to be in right now. So, I have to wonder if one of those talking about voting him is a baddie (Daisy, Julliets, and I don't remember who else).

Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

@linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Or you guys could vote for Dom. Just sayin'

Why? Did I miss something?

Not really. I just think he's bad.

Ah...your famous civ "instinct"!

Which we've already established is not very good!

FZ. wrote: Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

Vompatti is always like that. He is really hard to read because he is always so zany.

FZ. wrote: @linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Dom's first post where he was like "Oh boy howdy, you folks sure like to talk, gee wilikers!" rang false to me, but I wasn't sure. I asked him to elaborate on his Day 1 process to see if I could get anything out of his answer. His answer seemed guarded and intentionally non-specific, and his reasons for his vote seemed flimsy. So, yeah, I don't trust him.

FZ. wrote:Wow, this has got to be the most active day 1 I've seen here, in terms of real hunting. I like it!

MP definitely seems all over the place and even though he received a lot of suspicions, TH is the first one to have voted for him. Didn't Dom say he was voting for him? What happened to that vote? The thing I liked least was his sudden vote for Daisy. Where the hell did that come from, and what's up with his suspicions of me. Is he, or is he not?
Thing is, I started out thinking he was one of the people who I trusted the most, but recent events made my good feelings decrease. I tend to trust my gut feelings in the start of the game, so I really don't want to vote for him. I felt he was the one who was pushing the game forward the most.
The, there is Epi. I absolutely loved Epig's analysis of MP, and the funny thing is, before I left for the day I thought I was going to vote for Epi' because I've only played two games with him, one where he was a baddie and one a civvie, and the differences were remarkable, and I felt he was reminding me of that baddie game. But after what he's said in the last 24 hours, he's seeming a whole lot more civvie to me, but we'll see.

I don't think I can follow the INH vote, because it seems like a crappy reason to vote for someone, no offense. Over defensiveness, especially at this stage, is almost always a civvie behavior. Baddies try to keep their cool, and being over defensive so early in the game, is just going to get you in the exact place he seems to be in right now. So, I have to wonder if one of those talking about voting him is a baddie (Daisy, Julliets, and I don't remember who else).

Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

@linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Me

I can understand your point though. If INH was bad he'd be crazy to make a post like that.....maybe. Unless he simply lost his temper even though he was bad. These arguments are always somewhat circular.

Have family comin, but voted for the top poster or highest? MP ftw! Also, stop spreading the vote ya'll!

Back later tonight.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

Vompatti is always like that. He is really hard to read because he is always so zany.

FZ. wrote: @linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

Dom's first post where he was like "Oh boy howdy, you folks sure like to talk, gee wilikers!" rang false to me, but I wasn't sure. I asked him to elaborate on his Day 1 process to see if I could get anything out of his answer. His answer seemed guarded and intentionally non-specific, and his reasons for his vote seemed flimsy. So, yeah, I don't trust him.

I get that Vompatti is supposed to be zany. It's his MO, his card. But it just felt too much to me. In my first game here, I was really frustrated with how A person and him didn't bother posting anything that seemed remotely on topic (and then AP killed me cause I annoyed him, lol), but it felt like he just didn't bother. The way he just explained how he voted, seemed like trying too hard. He was being funny-check, zany- check, like he made sure everything he's supposed to be was there. I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, but it didn't come off as genuine to me, but rather as though he was trying to be what was expected.

As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?

I'm going to vote MP. I don't play much with inh so maybe I am reading too much into his defensiveness and it appears from what others say he's that way regardless of alignment. With MP, I didn't like the FZ. suspicion but I liked even less that he turned and voted SD, as someone said, out of nowhere. Plus he wanted to vote Dom it seemed just because llama did. It feels too early in the game to have that kind of trust, and llama said he's really not that good at judging character. There were other points TH made in addition to this and altogether it is leading me to vote MP.

Turnip Head wrote:Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?

Didn't really like that vote. And why say stop spreading the votes, when there were more people with one vote already, just like MP, and she just gave him his second one? It's like she's trying to push for his vote. Not sitting well with me.
Damn, now I need to decide where to place my vote

juliets wrote:I'm going to vote MP. I don't play much with inh so maybe I am reading too much into his defensiveness and it appears from what others say he's that way regardless of alignment. With MP, I didn't like the FZ. suspicion but I liked even less that he turned and voted SD, as someone said, out of nowhere. Plus he wanted to vote Dom it seemed just because llama did. It feels too early in the game to have that kind of trust, and llama said he's really not that good at judging character. There were other points TH made in addition to this and altogether it is leading me to vote MP.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, it was me. I'm troubled by what just happened with the hedge vote, though.
I guess this could be from a two team thing as well. Hmm

Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

I wonder where K4J is. Not like him to not be here so close to the lynch without voting

kneel4justice wrote:Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

Lol, talk about the devil....are you?

I am probably going to vote MP.

1. He made a post that could only serve disingenuous purposes at best.
2. Although he asked me (specifically) for my thoughts, he implied that my questioning of the purpose of one of his posts was irrelevant.
3. Under pressure from Leamiteo, he went on about how his Mafia style is to emulate his civilian style, something unnecessary and over-the-top, given the context.
4. I had not said much, but when I began to talk (at his prompting), he suggested that I was "building the groundwork" for votes against him.
5. After all that talking and making other people talk, he ends up voting for spacedaisy, and says she never explained to him how "unnecessarily strong posts make someone bad." Newsflash: Nothing short of a damning slip makes anyone bad on Day 1. But most people aren't voting for people because they think they are bad.

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Do you still think MP is a civvie?

Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

FZ. wrote:Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

What I meant was that most people are randomly voting (or at least pretending to) on Day 1.

I don't think of Vompatti.

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Do you still think MP is a civvie?

I don't know, but I think the points made against him by TH and Epi are pretty strong. If I hadn't already voted for Dom, I would consider a vote for MP. That being said, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. This is his first game in a while, and it sucks to get voted out on Day 1. Also, he is just fun to play with due to his extreme verbalizing.

FZ. wrote:Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

INH.

Well, I had to catch up and skim over a few of the later posts (and a few things I wanted to respond to, but I'm running out of time). It could just be my predisposition to suspect MP, but he just seems too opportunistic and all over the place and too Captain Obviousish. Then TH and Epi made good points. So that's the best I've got right now.

*votes MP

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

What I meant was that most people are randomly voting (or at least pretending to) on Day 1.

I don't think of Vompatti.

See? This is why I want to lynch these kind of players. Because no one ever thinks about them...except me, obviously. And it's annoying

@linki: thanks, llama. Yeah, at this point is seems like my vote will not matter much anyway, because Epi said he'll vote for MP, and I can't blame him. If MP is a civvie, he kind of dug his own grave with being so scummy, with how he voted for Daisy and his back and forth with me. And I really thought he was a civvie yesterday.

And yeah, I think voting for INH is just wrong

linki: and here goes another vote for MP. I hope you're right

So, who should I vote for now? :P

I don't have to vote for MP. I have ten minutes.

Don't ever think your vote is wasted just because someone else has more votes. That's not a good mindset to have.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:If I have to vote for something on Day 1, I am more likely to vote for something that seems like an unnecessarily strong post than random vote. If you feel more comfortable voting for Dom for lack of aggressiveness, go for it. I just don't know that I expect anyone to be all that aggressive on Day 1, unless there is some slip up or something.

Linki: leamyconstant, I would never judge you! Vote for who you wish for whatever reason you choose.

I'm casting my vote for INH for lack of anything better, or for time to wait and see if anything else develops.

I still don't understand; you didn't explain to me how unnecessarily strong posts make someone bad.

I'm voting for you, in a twist of events.

Lol whet?

I have to stick to my suspicions.

Votes INH

Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.

FZ. wrote:Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.

I can see myself voting for a range of people. I'm eccentric!

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.

I can see myself voting for a range of people. I'm eccentric!

Tell me something I don't know
I mean of those who actually have a chance of being lynched. For me, there's Daisy, who started the INH vote, and Vompatti, who seems to be lurking but not posting (unless he left and he has this page open)

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.

I can see myself voting for a range of people. I'm eccentric!

Tell me something I don't know
I mean of those who actually have a chance of being lynched. For me, there's Daisy, who started the INH vote, and Vompatti, who seems to be lurking but not posting (unless he left and he has this page open)

What if we voted for DFaraday and tied it up?

Turnip Head wrote:MP's suspicion of FZ feels made up to me, lol. I reread her 7 posts and I don't see a single trace of anything that could be construed as "insincere". MP pushed the notion a few times before settling on not finding her suspicious but continues to namedrop FZ even after that.

I think one thing baddie-MP likes to do is toss out a suspicion, then intentionally waffle on it a few times before settling on something else. It makes it look like he's actively baddie hunting when really he's running himself around in a circle.

I don't really suspect MP for saying Llama has a good gut. I tend to think MP makes those sorts of generalizations all the time. Perhaps MP has seen Llama's gut instincts pay off moreso than not. Although I am questioning his intentions behind stating it.

Spacedaisy, what do you make of the fact that MP ended up quickly turning around and voting for you?

It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.

On the other hand, I'm going to feel really stupid if I manage to save MP, and he ends up being a baddie

linki: I guess I don't have to worry about this after all, K4J

FZ. wrote:Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

I do no see what is bad about Daisy's vote. Seems like it makes sense to me. If I had chose to vote for INH, that would be my reason.
Why are you against MP? You're all over the place but I don't get why. Maybe because I wasn't here to watch it go down live I don't feel the suspense as I sometimes do.

I don't feel great about this, and wish I could have heard MP's response to some of my concerns, but here's to hoping.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't feel great about this, and wish I could have heard MP's response to some of my concerns, but here's to hoping.

He's here now and has 15 seconds.

Wow, just got home. This is so INSANELY upsetting to me I can't even express it in words. I was looking forward to this game SO much. Now I won't be able to likely even play a big game on my own site before I start my PhD program.

Apparently, I can't ever play without attracting a ton of suspicion to myself, so whatever.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:MP's suspicion of FZ feels made up to me, lol. I reread her 7 posts and I don't see a single trace of anything that could be construed as "insincere". MP pushed the notion a few times before settling on not finding her suspicious but continues to namedrop FZ even after that.

I think one thing baddie-MP likes to do is toss out a suspicion, then intentionally waffle on it a few times before settling on something else. It makes it look like he's actively baddie hunting when really he's running himself around in a circle.

I don't really suspect MP for saying Llama has a good gut. I tend to think MP makes those sorts of generalizations all the time. Perhaps MP has seen Llama's gut instincts pay off moreso than not. Although I am questioning his intentions behind stating it.

Spacedaisy, what do you make of the fact that MP ended up quickly turning around and voting for you?

It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.

I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy

FZ. wrote:So, who should I vote for now? :P

Damn, I missed the vote with all the posts coming in after mine and having to ignore them...not that it mattered.
MP better be a baddie

Who is EEEEEVIIIIIL???

Poll runs till Sat May 31, 2014 10:42 pm


A Person
0
No votes

birdwithteeth11
0
No votes

Boogs
0
No votes

Bullzeye
0
No votes

Captain Bunny Killer
1
nijuukyugou (16) 4%

DFaraday
2
Elohcin (12), Kylemii (14) 8%

DisgruntledPorcupine
1
Metalmarsh89 (3) 4%

Dom
1
thellama73 (5) 4%

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis
0
No votes

Flyin' High
1
insertnamehere (15) 4%

FZ.
1
DFaraday (10) 4%

Hedgeowl
0
No votes

insertnamehere
2
Spacedaisy (8), Snow Dog (22) 8%

juliets
1
A Person (13) 4%

kneel4justice
1
Boogs (4) 4%

Kylemii
1
DisgruntledPorcupine (17) 4%

Leamiteo
0
No votes

Lizzy
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Mongoose
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
6
Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

reywaS
0
No votes

Snow Dog
1
Bullzeye (6) 4%

Spacedaisy
2
MovingPictures07 (9), Vompatti (11) 8%

>SpaghettiEverywhere
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Turnip Head
0
No votes

Vompatti
1
Leamiteo (7) 4%

Beorn (Host/Mod)
2
Polaris (1), Russtifinko (2) 8%
Total votes : 24