The Syndicate

Mongoose wrote:I' do not relish having to respond to all of that (oh man), but I will. (Just not right this second because work).

insertnamehere wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I' do not relish having to respond to all of that (oh man), but I will. (Just not right this second because work).

I will, and right now at that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've played with and hosted Mongoose multiple times and I feel pretty confident that we're seeing her baddie game -- because it looks really similar to her Meat Boy game IMO.

She has 23 posts, most of which don't have much game-related content, and this actually gets her in trouble as a civvie. But there is a distinction to be made between what on-topic content she does have as a civvie early on in games and a baddie. As a baddie, she is more agreeable, and her on-topic content typically more than half consists of her adding onto thoughts contributed by other players but without any substance, like the below: Ah, the old "OT content = bad" excuse. Also, how are those posts "without substance?" It's contributing to the discussion, and nothing in those posts stood out to me as padding.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I got the impression that this was a directional poll, not a rewarding poll. I could be wrong about that, but it was the impression I got. I am unlikely to vote for someone based on their vote in that poll.

At this point, only one thing is sticking out to me, and that is Hedgie implying she would consider voting for Vomps based solely on the number of his posts. That does not sit well with me, tbh. If i had to vote this second, i might vote there, but i don't so I won't. Maybe she was just joking?

She said something similar at the start of last game (I think it was the one you modded), so it's at least consistent.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I have to agree re Vomps, I will read back before work, and see who posted actual content, and who did not. I will probably vote based on that.

Other than Hedgie, did anyone actually recommend a Vomps vote?

I did a re-skim and I don't see anything of that nature.

It's like when I "buddy up" to other players more so when I'm bad.

She also is more opinionated when she's baddie, but fails to articulate reasons for her suspicions more when she's bad (at least when she's civvie she articulates reasons, even if they confuse most people): OK, let's play "devil's" advocate. So, Mongoose is known for articulating suspicions in a confusing way. If I were her, I would hold off on "articulating" suspicions until I could form a complete coherent case.

Mongoose wrote:

nutella wrote:I wonder, if divination had won out, could we have divined who the baddies are?

Grasping at straws. And just so I can beat Lizzy to the punch before she accuses me of trumped up nonsense ( ), I will admit this is not the most salient case. Hells bells, it's not even a case, but it's above random voting.

ANYWAY

Verbose mongoose is verbose

I feel like this could be Nutty trying to throw suspicion off of her own trail. Like trying to distance herself from baddies. Perhaps. Our host Jeffrey Llamer would never let it so easily be discerned.

This is a terrible case and I strongly suggest you vote elsewhere. It's Day 1 and it's all I got so far. This is the most ridiculous, overblown pseudo-case made from one statement on Day 1 ever, but I promised myself I'd not be a space cadet in this game.

Let's roll.

LA

This post just screams not genuine to me, upon re-read. Subjective.

Mongoose wrote:I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

This is where she starts dropping my name, asking if I've "lost the plot a bit", but she never explains what that means exactly or how it makes me bad. She's been subtly pushing the thread in my direction ever since this post, and it seems she's been successful if you base it on the votes thus far. Or maybe, and stop me if I get too insane here, she noticed you acting strange in the thread, and brought you up because of that reason? But no, anyone who suspects you must be bad. You aren't about to start accusing me of being in the Illuminati, are you? Also, I couldn't care less about Mongoose saying you are "odd". You are trying to paint everyone who votes for you as children for Mongoose's pied piper, when really it's more that you: A. Voted to lynch a civvie on Day 1, B. Voted to lynch Boogs, who I am 90% sure is a civvie, on Day 2, and C. your absences from the thread match up to when the last baddie would have to be gone in order to not send in an action.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

1. Can you explain why you trust Boogs?

2. Do you have anyone you DIStrust, even a bit?

3.What are your thoughts on Hedgeowl?

I numbered them for easy reference, hope you don't mind.

1. I don't, I just don't mistrust him yet.

2. Sock. Definitely Sock.

3. She's being consistent with her motives (from past games I mean), so I can't tell yet either way.

This is her next post. She never says why she seems to trust Boogs; she actually says she doesn't, but before she said she "wasn't so keen" on a Boogs vote, which seems contradictory. No, no it isn't. This is mafia, if you trust someone 100%, you are a sucker. Just because I don't trust you, doesn't mean that I will vote for you, it just means that I distrust someone else more. But she also never explains why at all. She doesn't even say he seems sincere. She just says she doesn't mistrust him yet. This may seem nitpicky, Probably because it is nitpicky. but it's actually a key part of how Mongoose plays when she's bad.

She then says she distrusts me, definitely. Again, never explains why. See below.

Mongoose wrote:I agree wholeheartedly about Hedgie. I've never seen her as driveby voter.

I need to be very careful with my words, so that's why I didn't post more last night (also my boss was hanging around foreevvvver), but I'm home now and I have a bit more time before my work is throwing me a going away party tonight!

Let's see how cogent I can be about this - I am definitely examining Boog as much as anyone else (who is such a lovely human being/cat by the way), but I was hesitant to take Sock's word for it. I found his post drumming up support for a Boogs vote to be fun and funny, but weird: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 434#p72368

I'm examining why things went down the way they did last night, but I think it could very well be Sock. I would hate to push him out so early (he died so early in last game, but at least he really was bad), but it explains a lot if he is Aleister Crowley. And yeah, specifically Crowley, not just a bad hoss in general.

This just pings the freak out of me because she says "I need to be very careful with my words", and she emphasizes she is examining Boogs as much as anyone else, but hesitant to take my word for it. My word for what? My vote is fun and funny, but weird? And AGAIN, how does this make me bad? And how is it even weird? Sure, it's in horoscope language, but I HAD to vote right that second, and I stated in the Fight Club thread and elsewhere I would be out of town from the 10th-13th, so how is it weird exactly? Or maybe, and stop me if this sounds too "incoherent" for you, but maybe she found your posts to just be odd. The wording, and phrases, all of that. Not just the curse. We've all read a post that just felt 'off' to us. Fuck, you even pointed out a quote from Mongoose that you just called "odd" with no further explanation. Maybe, after being called incoherent, and hard-to-understand, she had to choose her words and cases carefully in order to avoid making the same mistake.

All I'm getting from you is a lot of vague feelings and NO U's.

Answer: She's making shit up because she's bad.

OK, so you 100% think that she is bad. I'll come back to this later.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It would explain so much if you could elaborate on why you think that as well.

I promise I'm not being intentionally obtuse, but I gotta hold back a bit. Generally, I analyzed how Night 1 went down (no deaths) and filled in the blanks from there. There are other explanations for it, of course, so I could be very well wrong. I'm not at all "Super Sure" but am in the category of "Definitely Suspect" though.

Even without my annoyingly cryptic explanations, I think his actually thread behavior is odd. That in of itself isn't maybe ammunition for suspicion, but it's definitely eye-catching.

She refuses to explain.

My thread behavior is ODD. Again, she can't even explain what makes it odd. But she says it's "definitely eye-catching" and somehow that makes me bad, even though she never comes out and says it.

See above.

Also, she almost claims to have info, which I would believe much more than MP being good.

Then, of course, this:

Mongoose wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I can't imagine I won't vote for him as well. I woulda last vote if I hadn't been so inept about what day of the week it was. He's not been around as much, so it's hard to analyze behavior as much as I'd like, but I think he's been a bit strange this game.

Now she makes it look like she is agreeing again with someone else.

Why can't you imagine you won't vote for me, Mongoose? How about, and stop me if I'm too vague enough for you, she agrees with my analysis, and it matches with her overall feeling of unease that she receives from you.How am I strange? You still FAIL to explain how that even is the case, let alone how it makes me bad. And now, an alternate explanation. Mongoose received info on you, and you know she can't come out and say that fact. So, Mongoose is intentionally vague, and you, expecting that, pounce on her for not "explaining her suspicions".

Lest we all forget that if someone really wanted to, they could just as easily have purposefully missed their NK PM on N2 just to get me framed and lynched. The fuck? Last time I checked, no one playing was mentally disabled. That would be maybe the worst possible move. Multiple people were gone that night, not just you. But, of course, you are extremely important, and any action against you isn't because of paltry suspicions, but a grand baddie conspiracy in order to lynch you! I don't know why, but hey, why not? You're making shit up because you're bad. Get a civvie lynched, it would work. This would be the dumbest fucking idea ever, how much can I re-iterate that? And who was the only person subtly pushing the thread in my direction before N2? Mongoose. Pardon me one moment.

And let's not forget that there's other explanations for a missed NK: block, etc., although I will also admit that two failed NKs is definitely more than a bit strange.

Seriously, I will eat a hat if Mongoose is a civvie this game. I am THAT confident. Hey Elochin, I need a hat shaped cake delivered to MP pronto.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Now I'll hold off on voting just in case someone can poke holes in this, but I'm really feeling strongly about a Mongoose vote at the moment. Let me know what you think, guys.

nutella wrote:MP seems pretty convinced about Mongoose, and his case is definitely substantial enough to make me suspect her. Not sure how I feel about INH, he's kinda confusing me. *votes mongoose*

Mongoose wrote:Late host is late.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

I'm just poking ya. But it's after 640?

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

I'm just poking ya. But it's after 640?

Check your daylight savings time settings.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for the game, Llama!

You're welcome, but there are still four missing votes and a sold 18 minutes.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for the game, Llama!

You're welcome, but there are still four missing votes and a sold 18 minutes.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Good luck getting yourself out of a lynch tomorrow.

Mongoose wrote:Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

S~V~S wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

Mongooses Stars, Day 4:

With Pluto (Jeanne Dixon rocks it old school, once a planet, always a planet) in your house of Violence, there may be danger ahead for you, but there does not have to be. If your adversaries have Venus in their house of Suspicion, they might see that a lone baddie Mongoose would not be likely to make bold statements. The upcoming influence of the Weasel constellation might also lead them to see how you may have jumped to the conclusion that you did.