The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

Zip over to half the games where I've been bad and caught out and take a quick look at my posts. I do that kind of "oh you've made your mind up just kill me already" when I'm a baddie and can't think of how to defend myself. I've done it as a neutral as well and very rarely as a civ. When people post like that it makes me suspect them more.

Yes, I can see that as well.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

I have never had teammates tell me how to play or defend. I have never told my teammates how to play or defend. Have you?

An excellent point. The only time I'd tell someone how to play is if they were new and asked me to. I'd possibly tell them if they didn't ask in that scenario, but it wouldn't be phrased as an instruction, rather just friendly advice. A player as experienced as Sorsha probably wouldn't get told what to do and if I were her in such a position I'd probably feel rather offended that a teammate felt I needed to be told how to play.

I really don't have time for all this, I'm at work, it's busy. Voted for myself. Bye.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

I have never had teammates tell me how to play or defend. I have never told my teammates how to play or defend. Have you?

Zeal for the game has consumed me in times past. When guidance is requested or I construct a plan of genius, I have made suggestions.

Sorsha wrote:I really don't have time for all this, I'm at work, it's busy. Voted for myself. Bye.

And damn.

Sorsha wrote:I really don't have time for all this, I'm at work, it's busy. Voted for myself. Bye.

But I first mentioned suspicions of you yesterday and I wasn't the first. You have had time. You're acting as if you're definitely doomed when the reality is that we've got two hours left and most players haven't said anything in a while. Any of them could come back in and turn the tide. Posts like this won't encourage them to.

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

What does wood have to do with her position?

And wow Sorsha!!! You seem upset and I wonder why.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

What does wood have to do with her position?

And wow Sorsha!!! You seem upset and I wonder why.

Clearly Epig was desperate for a particular sort of word and 'Xyloid' was the best he could come up with.

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

What does wood have to do with her position?

And wow Sorsha!!! You seem upset and I wonder why.

Clearly Epig was desperate for a particular sort of word and 'Xyloid' was the best he could come up with.

Bitch, please. "Xenon?"

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

What does wood have to do with her position?

And wow Sorsha!!! You seem upset and I wonder why.

Clearly Epig was desperate for a particular sort of word and 'Xyloid' was the best he could come up with.

Bitch, please. "Xenon?"

Dude, you know that was the best chemistry joke you've read all night on this website.

Can't say I've read any chemistry jokes on this website in the past week.

Epignosis wrote:Can't say I've read any chemistry jokes on this website in the past week.

Exactly. Even though I'm only right by default, I'm still right.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Can't say I've read any chemistry jokes on this website in the past week.

Exactly. Even though I'm only right by default, I'm still right.

Damn technicalities.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Can't say I've read any chemistry jokes on this website in the past week.

Exactly. Even though I'm only right by default, I'm still right.

Damn technicalities.

For there only being two hours left in this poll you'd think there'd be more people here sharing thoughts and casting votes wouldn't you? I intend to give Sorsha until 10:40 my time (an hour before the poll ends) to come back and make a better defense. If not, she gets my vote. Does anyone object?

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Can't say I've read any chemistry jokes on this website in the past week.

Exactly. Even though I'm only right by default, I'm still right.

Damn technicalities.

When people are this defeatist about getting suspicion I'm glad they get lynched.

Bullz -I do not object as I am doing the same for Hedgey. She said she would be back in an hour - I will wait. If she does not come back or fails to quell my suspicion I am voting for her.

Sorsha self voting and not giving much defense was odd. Hmmmm...

Ummmmm.
What just happened with Sorsha?

Also, Bullz: I was totally on board with you being civvish until your last post, and then I got really confused. Why the heck are you asking the thread for their input on whether or not your voting strategy/choices are objectionable??! I have never seen that. I don't know if it makes me think you're bad, but it certainly makes me think you're odd....

Also, I still don't suspect Sorsha and I'm sad that she's frustrated. Bummer. I do think her quip to DH about "getting over it" was interesting, though, and would love to hear some more elaboration on that point from either of the involved parties....

Boogs wrote:Sorsha self voting and not giving much defense was odd. Hmmmm...

You not saying anything about the suspicions on you is quite hmmmm too

Roxy wrote:Bullz -I do not object as I am doing the same for Hedgey. She said she would be back in an hour - I will wait. If she does not come back or fails to quell my suspicion I am voting for her.

Good I was mostly trying to drum up conversation with that comment so I'm very glad it got a response! Genuinely, if Sorsha could defend herself I'd reconsider voting for her. I feel like her defeatist attitude only makes things worse.

Linki: See above. I feel like the thread is too quiet for the amount of time we have left so I'm literally just throwing out questions in the hope someone will answer. I wasn't so much asking if my strategy was objectionable as asking does anyone think it's a bad idea to vote Sorsha and if so why.

Had more linki since I added the extra comment, so if any clarification is needed the linki addendum in my previous post is directed at Canuck.

Canucklehead wrote:Ummmmm.
What just happened with Sorsha?

Also, Bullz: I was totally on board with you being civvish until your last post, and then I got really confused. Why the heck are you asking the thread for their input on whether or not your voting strategy/choices are objectionable??! I have never seen that. I don't know if it makes me think you're bad, but it certainly makes me think you're odd....

Also, I still don't suspect Sorsha and I'm sad that she's frustrated. Bummer. I do think her quip to DH about "getting over it" was interesting, though, and would love to hear some more elaboration on that point from either of the involved parties....

I don't know what I'm supposed to get over.

It's probably either SVS or Sorsha for me, especially in light of the recent defeatist responses from Sorsha (and also things others have said that I won't rehash in detail, e.g., being too eager to claim transparency, etc.). I could chalk it up to pure frustration and work, or to a baddie not knowing what else to say in her defense. SVS said she'd be back to give a more thorough defense regarding Keterman's comments, so I'd like to wait a bit for that. However, I do think her behavior is rather...different in this game, as I've stated before. Not sure what that necessarily means alignment-wise, but I'm choosing not to ignore it and see how it plays out in the last bits of the Day.

@DH - You said Hedgeowl and Boogs were also possibilities for a vote. Can you elaborate?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Ummmmm.
What just happened with Sorsha?

Also, Bullz: I was totally on board with you being civvish until your last post, and then I got really confused. Why the heck are you asking the thread for their input on whether or not your voting strategy/choices are objectionable??! I have never seen that. I don't know if it makes me think you're bad, but it certainly makes me think you're odd....

Also, I still don't suspect Sorsha and I'm sad that she's frustrated. Bummer. I do think her quip to DH about "getting over it" was interesting, though, and would love to hear some more elaboration on that point from either of the involved parties....

I don't know what I'm supposed to get over.

It. Obviously. I also wish she'd elaborated on that but I don't expect she will do based on her attitude so far.

Certainly, I have been following the thread, and I doubt she is bad, I don't ever recall her making risky moves at the beginning of games when bad, and I have probably played more games with her than i have with anyone else in this thtead. I think she was trying to have gun, and is frustrated. But I don't always read her well, and could be wrong.

Since there was a push in my direction earlier, I would not be surprised to see a flurry of votes for me towards the end. I am gonna hold my vote until closer to the end in case I need to save myself.

Linki, Blooper, you really think my explanation of my vote is unreasonable?

nijuukyugou wrote:It's probably either SVS or Sorsha for me, especially in light of the recent defeatist responses from Sorsha (and also things others have said that I won't rehash in detail, e.g., being too eager to claim transparency, etc.). I could chalk it up to pure frustration and work, or to a baddie not knowing what else to say in her defense. SVS said she'd be back to give a more thorough defense regarding Keterman's comments, so I'd like to wait a bit for that. However, I do think her behavior is rather...different in this game, as I've stated before. Not sure what that necessarily means alignment-wise, but I'm choosing not to ignore it and see how it plays out in the last bits of the Day.

@DH - You said Hedgeowl and Boogs were also possibilities for a vote. Can you elaborate?

Part of my trepidation in accepting the Sorsha/SVS suspicions was lack of pushback against either of them getting lynched. Boog and Hedge provided some comments that met that criteria I think, so if they (SVS or Sorsha) are bad, then boogs and Hedge might be team mates of either of them trying to steer conversation away.

Fun not gun, thread not thtead autocorrect FTL

S~V~S wrote:
Since there was a push in my direction earlier, I would not be surprised to see a flurry of votes for me towards the end. I am gonna hold my vote until closer to the end in case I need to save myself.

I am pretty shocked you don't have any kind of defense. I will be eating dinner soon, so I need to vote. *votes S~V~S*

S~V~S wrote: Since there was a push in my direction earlier, I would not be surprised to see a flurry of votes for me towards the end. I am gonna hold my vote until closer to the end in case I need to save myself.

Just three votes have been cast so far, and only one of those was for you. I probably won't be voting you at this rate, so you've got at least 2 votes separating you and Sorsha. With the amount of people who are currently posting (We've got just over an hour before the poll closes), I don't think you're in any danger today.

Never in my life have I seen a game with two people accruing so much suspicion over Day 1 and not lifting a FINGER to defend themselves.

Did you read any of my posts? This am before work I explained myself for the 99th time, what other defense for I need, DH? That I'd the truth, what can I say? And Eloh, I did defend myself.

Elohcin, what do you think I need to defend other than my vote which I explained?

Fuck its hard to post on a moving bus lol

S~V~S wrote:Fuck its hard to post on a moving bus lol

Kindly ask the driver to stop? I'm sure if you explain the situation they and the other passengers will understand.

Looks like I've given Sorsha slightly more time than I said I would. She hasn't come back and I doubt she will so I'm *Voting Sorsha*.

The only thing Sorsha's self-vote tells me is that she's not really invested in this game and is too busy to care. Doesn't make me think strongly one way or the other about her alignment. SVS is acting a lot more subtly evasive though, and though she can be tough to read I have a funny feeling about her -- also, if she flips bad I would be more inclined to look at Sorsha as a possible teammate of hers. *Votes SVS* before I forget.

S~V~S wrote:Elohcin, what do you think I need to defend other than my vote which I explained?

You did not ask me but I did read your defense and checked out what you said about devoting most of your time to Fight Club that day. And it was true.Even though I am dead in that game I am really enjoying reading along!! Its been so exciting!!

Going to ask , other than my vote which I already explsinef is there anything else I need to address?

Linki, subtly evasive???????? What? Now here comes that push I mentioned Bullz.

S~V~S wrote:Certainly, I have been following the thread, and I doubt she is bad, I don't ever recall her making risky moves at the beginning of games when bad, and I have probably played more games with her than i have with anyone else in this thtead. I think she was trying to have gun, and is frustrated. But I don't always read her well, and could be wrong.

Since there was a push in my direction earlier, I would not be surprised to see a flurry of votes for me towards the end. I am gonna hold my vote until closer to the end in case I need to save myself.

Linki, Blooper, you really think my explanation of my vote is unreasonable?

No, the vote itself I understood (though I still think was odd :P). You had just mentioned earlier today that you were going to make a bigger post in response to Keterman's accusations earlier and I wanted to see that.

Have I seemed subtly evasive to anyone else?

Linki I said tonight, like after work, but apparently I Am subtly evasive and taking votes for not defending a day zero vote that was a fun thing. What in his post would you like me to address? Your words, on a bus Lol.

I did not expect to take votes over this tbh.

S~V~S wrote:I did not expect to take votes over this tbh.

My experience would suggest most people get votes for things they never expected would get them votes... In reference to you asking if others think you're evasive, I'm not yet sure how I feel about you personally but my only strong feeling in this game so far is Sorsha so take that for all it's worth.

S~V~S wrote:Have I seemed subtly evasive to anyone else?

Linki I said tonight, like after work, but apparently I Am subtly evasive and taking votes for not defending a day zero vote that was a fun thing. What in his post would you like me to address? Your words, on a bus Lol.

Sorry you're in such an inconvenient place to respond! My motion sickness would never allow me to do so, so kudos to you! Some of what he states is the first day puppy vote, which you've addressed many times. He then claims you are being hypocritical later on in the post by accusing Made for voting for nutella for "knowing what's up," even though you had voted for Sorsha for a vague, "silly" reason as well. I'd just like to know why you think it's odd for someone to think your behavior is off with your Day 0 vote, when you seem to find the same behavior in someone else to be lynch-worthy. My apologies if you've explained this before, but I didn't catch the explanation if you went through it in detail.

Because that sounded like a BTSC slip to me.

I thought I made that clear, I didn't think hr was being silly I thought he had baddie NTSC with nutella to be precise.

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

Damn, this was an impressive post. I am enjoying reading this game so much. Hats off to you sir.

Catching up now...

Btsc lol

Look my stop is soon, and I have to vote. I honestly have no way of knowing, but I don't think she is bad, but since she gave up (trying to avoid subtle evasiveness here) I am gonna vote sorsha.