The Syndicate

I voted for Epi because he was just a little TOO playful and threatening. He seemed off. If he is indeed Wasatch , then he had nothing to lose by voting for himself, because he can't die as long as the other baddies live.

Snowman wrote:I voted for Epi because he was just a little TOO playful and threatening. He seemed off. If he is indeed Wasatch , then he had nothing to lose by voting for himself, because he can't die as long as the other baddies live.

Makes sense, thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on anyone else right now?

Re: the Wasatch theory, his behavior definitely would make sense if he is Wasatch, especially since giving up is totally out of character for him.

EBWOP

And what do you make of Zomb thinking you're worthy of a vote?

An Epig lynch seems like the best option today. *votes*

I thought the lynch was over today with all this voting. Meh! I probably won't change my mind.

Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

I voted early because I saw a bunch of votes and thought I was going to miss the lynch. (still looking for a different blush)

Epignosis wrote:Everyone at this point can't know what I'm talking about, but I have to believe at least a few others do. It makes sense why there's all this civilian BTSC and why stuff will shift the way it will (although how things shift is still cloudy to me).

I'll just say this: Do you see secrets by any of the roles? I don't, but that doesn't mean they aren't there, aren't changing, and don't affect win conditions.

Pro-Tip: Be careful whom you trust from this point on.

I was thinking the same thing. I mean this game is about people who turned on each other and starting eating each other.

Zomberella12 wrote: Llama seems pretty upset about posting who's in what BSCG with who. I get that it's against the rules but he seems overly upset about it. Perhaps that's his nature, but it seems to me that a civie wouldn't really worried about that kind of information getting out because it would be protective. However, who else would make such a brazen attack on Epig and MP via the message from Mrs. Donner? I'll wait to see how he reacts to this comment.

Maybe he just wants to play a fair and proper game?? I know I do.

I'm not going to vote for Rob even if he might be bad, because (as I said earlier) the "I'm a civ and he's not in my btsc" just ruins the game

Zomberella12 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Zomb, I have the following questions for you:

- How do you feel about Snowman this game? Any read on him yet (more likely civ or bad) or not sure?
- Same question regarding Epi
- Same question regarding trice (I had a good laugh when you called him PornStar)
- Regarding your point about Russ and FZ., could they not have baddie BTSC with the same argument? I'm not saying I suspect or don't suspect either of them, but I'm merely playing devil's advocate with your argument.

- Snowman's behavior is typical. He likes to do psychoanalysis and then sit back and watch the fight. I cannot read him. Ever. I know that if he is a baddie, we are all probably dead.

Rethinking Snowman - Why would he vote for Epig? Only reason - He feels Epig is a threat - i.e., Snowman is a baddie and is afraid of Epig figuring him out - or Snowman is a civie and is trying to divert attention away from himself toward an easy target (in reference to the message from Mrs. Donner) and doesn't care if the target is a baddie or a civie. Either way, Snowman is dangerous.

Or he agrees with FZ' interpretation. Epi always feels that he is a threat, you seem to as well. What leads you to this conclusion?

Zomberella12 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Russ and FZ, your comments don't give me info one way or another. I suspect that this may be because you are letting others in your group do all the talking...
[/ot]

Not a dig. I just mean that I think that you might actually be in a civie group.

PornStar, I wonder if you are maybe acting confused to earn sympathy? Things that make you go hmm.....

Sorry I missed this before. I'm not confused about what you think I'm confused. I'm confused about how we are supposed to legitimately identify baddies. Generally it takes, I would say, 3-4 days to start to get a read on people, to evaluate the nightly goings-on and the lynch votes etc, and to start lynching baddies consistently. But in this game, the roles could all just flip on us after that period and we'd be back at square one.

That's what I'm confused about.

about what you think I'm confused about **

(sentence is still terrible that way hah)

S~V~S wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Zomb, I have the following questions for you:

- How do you feel about Snowman this game? Any read on him yet (more likely civ or bad) or not sure?
- Same question regarding Epi
- Same question regarding trice (I had a good laugh when you called him PornStar)
- Regarding your point about Russ and FZ., could they not have baddie BTSC with the same argument? I'm not saying I suspect or don't suspect either of them, but I'm merely playing devil's advocate with your argument.

- Snowman's behavior is typical. He likes to do psychoanalysis and then sit back and watch the fight. I cannot read him. Ever. I know that if he is a baddie, we are all probably dead.

Rethinking Snowman - Why would he vote for Epig? Only reason - He feels Epig is a threat - i.e., Snowman is a baddie and is afraid of Epig figuring him out - or Snowman is a civie and is trying to divert attention away from himself toward an easy target (in reference to the message from Mrs. Donner) and doesn't care if the target is a baddie or a civie. Either way, Snowman is dangerous.

Or he agrees with FZ' interpretation. Epi always feels that he is a threat, you seem to as well. What leads you to this conclusion?

ebwop~ have you been sitting in a chatroom with Epi listening to him talk about how awesome and scary he is? Ask him to tell you about WWE, lulz galore

DON'T ANSWER THAT, it was a rhetorical question

can somebody remind me what ebwop stands for

edit by way of post

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

S~V~S wrote:Epi always feels that he is a threat,

Ha, not at all. The trick is in making other people think you are not a threat while actually being one. How I feel about myself is irrelevant.

Flase. You talk about how scary you are all the time.

S~V~S wrote:Flase. You talk about how scary you are all the time.

You said that I always feel I'm a threat. That's not true, regardless of what I say in the thread.

Semantics. You know what i meant. People who try to feel superior through word quibbles are not scary, IMO. You used to scare me, but i found a new POV.

S~V~S wrote:Semantics. You know what i meant. People who try to feel superior through word quibbles are not scary, IMO. You used to scare me, but i found a new POV.

I didn't know what you meant. I respect people enough to go by the words they use and not what I assume they mean. At least I try to, because it drives me crazy when I attempt to be as clear as possible in my meaning but someone assumes I meant something different.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Semantics. You know what i meant. People who try to feel superior through word quibbles are not scary, IMO. You used to scare me, but i found a new POV.

I didn't know what you meant. I respect people enough to go by the words they use and not what I assume they mean. At least I try to, because it drives me crazy when I attempt to be as clear as possible in my meaning but someone assumes I meant something different.

I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Epignosis wrote:Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

I hadn't considered that you might change your vote. Also, I agree that some votes against you don't seem legit.

I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

That seems unfair. I am baddie hunting. I'm putting the most sinister twist on everyone's thoughts. Also, even though I am new, I know the rules and I am not discussing anything with Snowman irl.

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

Took me longer than I wanted, but I found a post I was looking for. From elsewhere:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.

Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

Took me longer than I wanted, but I found a post I was looking for. From elsewhere:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.

Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.

Hey yeah! What Epi...uh...what SVS said. If SVS votes for me I'm never coming back. And now, I guess, I'm not voting for Snowman.

I, too, am incredibly shocked by S~V~S's vote. That goes against every game I've ever played with her and newbies to mafia, so I'm very intrigued as to why she feels comfortable voting for someone on D1 in their first game.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Long Con wrote:I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Why? And who would you count as a bandwagoner, anyone who's voted for him?

Zomberella12 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

Took me longer than I wanted, but I found a post I was looking for. From elsewhere:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.

Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.

Hey yeah! What Epi...uh...what SVS said. If SVS votes for me I'm never coming back. And now, I guess, I'm not voting for Snowman.

Also, why? Shouldn't you vote for the player you believe most to be bad?

Of course, you have another day or so to decide, but I find it interesting that Snowman did not address your thoughts about him.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

Took me longer than I wanted, but I found a post I was looking for. From elsewhere:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.

Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.

Hey yeah! What Epi...uh...what SVS said. If SVS votes for me I'm never coming back. And now, I guess, I'm not voting for Snowman.

Also, why? Shouldn't you vote for the player you believe most to be bad?

Of course, you have another day or so to decide, but I find it interesting that Snowman did not address your thoughts about him.

I know right? Why isn't he defending himself? It's suspicious. Kind of like not responding will make us all forget the accusation? But if voting for a new person on D1 is a no go, then that's fine. There are other baddies out there for me to nom on.

Zomberella12 wrote:
I know right? Why isn't he defending himself? It's suspicious. Kind of like not responding will make us all forget the accusation? But if voting for a new person on D1 is a no go, then that's fine. There are other baddies out there for me to nom on.

Do you still suspect LC?

I have no problem voting for new people if you think they are bad. Once, in a game of Bang!, I killed a new person before they got a turn. Oh how I laughed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:
I know right? Why isn't he defending himself? It's suspicious. Kind of like not responding will make us all forget the accusation? But if voting for a new person on D1 is a no go, then that's fine. There are other baddies out there for me to nom on.

Do you still suspect LC?

Do you?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Mmm hmm.

Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

Why did Ty vote for FZ.?

Linki w/ Zomb: I personally do not right now, no. I don't really have a read on him one way or the other but I believe he read genuine to me. But you interpreted him as suspicious earlier, hence my question.

Linki w/ Epig: MM has done this in the past three games I've played with him. If he keeps his vote there, I'll surely vote him. But he already said he'd change it. Yes, my interpretation clearly from before is that you had given up. Voted yourself and hadn't named any suspects and you said this:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry if what I said was considered as infodumping, but I could be lying, and I could be a baddie in the other group. It doesn't make my case any less compelling. Which is, since Epi let us know he's not a Donner, each and everyone of us can now deduct what are the chances of him being bad.

My vote will most likely go to Epig or Russ

I didn't let you know that. Elizabeth did.

True. Still, too bad for you

Yep. Too bad for me. A real pity.

You might even say it's eating me up inside.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, it appears Epi has voted himself, and clearly isn't baddie hunting. Shame since I was looking forward to playing a game with him and I agreed with his observations re: Russ's points, but I don't envy the situation he's been put in.

I can always move it later, but I see no reason to wait now. Still curious why Snowman voted him nonetheless.

Votes Epi

Oh, I don't mind my situation at all.

After Night 0, some of the mechanics became clear to me. Not all of them, mind you. Interesting stuff if my interpretation is not in error. I'm not going to spoil anything. I'd wager that some of you also know what I'm talking about.

How is that NOT giving up?

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Mmm hmm.

Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

Are you giving up?

Giving up what?

Epignosis wrote: Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

I still may vote an infodumper. It seems there was some confusion about what constituted info dumping in this game, so I may give BOTD. And there's this, which MP is entirely right about:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Long Con wrote:I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Why? And who would you count as a bandwagoner, anyone who's voted for him?

Epignosis wrote:Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

MM has never not self-voted on Day 1 that I remember. And personally, I think your behavior is either your typical "vote for me cuz I act bad but then I'll start acting good and flip it on the weakest bandwagon voter" Day 1 shtick, or you're acting like it is and you really are bad. Right now I'm leaning the second. Convince me otherwise.

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

I still may vote an infodumper. It seems there was some confusion about what constituted info dumping in this game, so I may give BOTD. And there's this, which MP is entirely right about:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Long Con wrote:I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Why? And who would you count as a bandwagoner, anyone who's voted for him?

Epignosis wrote:Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

MM has never not self-voted on Day 1 that I remember. And personally, I think your behavior is either your typical "vote for me cuz I act bad but then I'll start acting good and flip it on the weakest bandwagon voter" Day 1 shtick, or you're acting like it is and you really are bad. Right now I'm leaning the second. Convince me otherwise.

Nah.

What is BOTD?

Benefit of the doubt.

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

I still may vote an infodumper. It seems there was some confusion about what constituted info dumping in this game, so I may give BOTD. And there's this, which MP is entirely right about:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Long Con wrote:I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Why? And who would you count as a bandwagoner, anyone who's voted for him?

Epignosis wrote:Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

MM has never not self-voted on Day 1 that I remember. And personally, I think your behavior is either your typical "vote for me cuz I act bad but then I'll start acting good and flip it on the weakest bandwagon voter" Day 1 shtick, or you're acting like it is and you really are bad. Right now I'm leaning the second. Convince me otherwise.

Nah.

I vote that Epi is kind of weird.

I've changed by vote to S~V~S for now.

In the interest of self-interest and in the preservation of self-preservation:

Epignosis
5
Snowman (3), MovingPictures07 (7), FZ. (8), Russtifinko (9), Black Rock (11)
38%

Your champion "baddie hunters."

Epignosis wrote:I've changed by vote to S~V~S for now.

In the interest of self-interest and in the preservation of self-preservation:

Epignosis
5
Snowman (3), MovingPictures07 (7), FZ. (8), Russtifinko (9), Black Rock (11)
38%

Your champion "baddie hunters."

Why SVS?

She danced around a vote for me.

She easily voted for you when she had elsewhere expressed a distaste for voting for new people (welcome by the way).

She criticized my methods but didn't vote for me.

All of this is antithetical to what I believe a good S~V~S would do.

Epignosis wrote:(welcome by the way)

Thanks!

@ MP - What ever happened to your signaling plan? Or did that get dumped in the great infodumping scandal of 2015?

I'm honestly not a fan of the ability to change your vote, too many weak psychological games all trying to go on at the same time.

Since dom is out, I'm torn between long con, sockface, and svs. All this attack on epig doesn't sit right with me. I don't think he's bad.

to clarify, I don't know if I think LC is bad but I really didn't like this

Long Con wrote:Epig's not on my Civvie team either.