The Syndicate

rabbit8 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Golden wrote:Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

How about silly rabbit?

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having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish:
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“Hallo, Rabbit,” Zomberella12 said, “is that you?”
"Let’s pretend it isn’t,” said Rabbit, “and see what happens.”

Golden wrote:Dom? I haven't seen much of Dom.

The more I think on it, the more I feel like Aces is the right vote for me to make. His reaction to my weak suspicion feels like a baddie reaction. My reasons for this are:

1) It reminds me of times in the past where baddies are annoyed that their day one lynch was for some daft thing they don't feel they did (anyone remember BLLs constant calling out of people on day 0 or day 1 minutiae?). Aces is focussed on the idea that the bandwagon idea is bullshit - which, to be honest, I really don't think it is in principle, whether he was doing it or not - and I think he is focussed on it because he feels that genuinely isn't why he voted for the porter, and because he doesn't want his baddie game to come down for such a poor reason. I've seen it happen a few times before.

2) The strong language, some of it emotive, used in his posts towards me to guide suspicion on me haven't helped my view of him - 'useless poll', 'bullshit theory', 'scapegoat' - it's all stuff that I think comes out when you are bad, not when you are good. It goes well beyond 'I'm not bad' to trying to actually discredit that my idea could have any merit and suggesting that I'm deliberately setting out to get civvie cred and create scapegoats.

3) His ambiguous seed dropping against me - "Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful". Plus, I mean, whats a civvie supposed to do? Not try and find any reason why people are suspicious?

4) His double standard - either the way someone acts in relation to the poll can be suspicious, or it can't. I have trouble seeing how when it applies to him day 0 conduct is meaningless, but when it applies to me its meaningful.

For these reasons, I'm voting Aces. I can't vote MM for his conduct when I have someone I genuinely think is bad.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

Golden wrote:I should clarify that I meant MP made me think this isn't MM's 'baddie' tactic... it's just a thing we should try to fix.

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Golden wrote:I agree rabbit. I'm trying to dissuade people voting that way.

rabbit8 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh look at that, people are voting for me because I self-voted. Guess I'll have to look into this.

juliets wrote:rabbit you are thinking of voting for me for my MM vote or for something else?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

I'm voting that way because he did it last game we played and was bad. So how is it a pointless endeavor?

rabbit8 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

I'm voting that way because he did it last game we played and was bad. So how is it a pointless endeavor?

Those sentences where not a knock at you if you actually have a reason to vote for him. If you think he is bad more power to you. Following the conversation before commenting helps though... :P

Does he have the same role he had in that game? Has he ever been lynched as a civvie after a self vote?

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Hmmm...

rabbit8 wrote:

juliets wrote:rabbit you are thinking of voting for me for my MM vote or for something else?

I hoped you would ask. Yes your flip flopping ways that lead to your vote on MM has me concerned. The timing is there for a baddie to try to slip in and because someone else started the whole conversation it leaves a trail right back to LC, that son of a......

Though admittedly it's not much. But as day 1 goes, it could be enough. I really want to hear from BF before I make any actual decision.

Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

I have never played with him before, but I think so. Golden is okay by me so far.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Golden wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

Golden wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:Golden: One of the people making the largest effort so far, even if I think his Day 0 theory is bullshit. Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful. A useless day 0 poll would fit that need quite handily.

Easy to call the poll useless after the fact.

I called it useless during the fact as well.

Ah yes, the expected response. But during the fact, it was your perspective. After the fact, it's a FACT... and one you used emotively to try to paint me as suspicious.

Because the way you treated it was suspicious, Golden.

You had a whole list of people pegged as mafia all based on a day 0 poll. Can you not see how I'd find that odd?

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am REALLY bothered by the fact that MM gets away game after game self-voting; this is like the 5th game in a row. A self-vote is literally the worst vote a civilian can cast, and MM has made no effort to even wait until the time is up to try and find a baddie. At least if he randomized he'd have a chance to catch a baddie.

rabbit8 wrote:FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

fingersplints wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

I feel like you are defending Aces way too much. How much have you played with Aces? What makes him a "huge asset" over llama or MM?

Golden wrote:@rabbit - is there a reason you are not considering an Aces vote?

@rabbit - rusty? My best civvie performances were my earliest, before I got to know people and it blinded my vision with playstyle.

Golden wrote:Also, I just called out MP as bad and llama has never played with me. You should ask rabbit, sophie, splints, bf, BR, LC, juliet if they think my vote is legit. They know me and I haven't called out any of them.

Golden wrote:@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Llama's behavior has been more jokey and less serious baddie hunting than I'd like from him, but I'm not ready to consider voting him for it just yet either.

I'm trying something different. Can't let myself get too predictable, can I?

I would have voted for MM, but I cast my vote before he cast his.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, exactly, which is why historically I've never voted for MM for self-voting, even though I express this every time. It's getting old though. And as LC pointed out, MM has been baddie and pulled this stunt in Film Directors, and I think he must have been bad in at least one other game of the 5(?) recent games that he's self-voted, but I can't recall.

blindfaeth wrote:I think fs actually pegged me really well. I am being deliberately cautious in my wording, because I don't want to be lynched the first day.

Otherwise, I'm voting aces. His side of the golden argument rubbed me the wrong way. I'm at a game night and can't guarantee I'll be around to vote later.

MP still doesn't bother me too much, but I hope he focuses his attention elsewhere, because he's wrong about his hunch.

The self vote bothers me. But I am following my gut, I always do.

Golden wrote:@zombie - I'm not saying it is pointless.

juliets wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

I unwittingly voted early. I usually never do but this time I was confused about the time and even about the day as you can see in my posts. I understand if you think you have enough to say I'm bad but i have to say you've got the wrong read on me.

Zomberella12 wrote:

Golden wrote:@zombie - I'm not saying it is pointless.

Hold up. Someone said it was pointless. Going to investigate!

juliets wrote:Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

juliets wrote:I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Golden wrote:@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

juliets wrote:Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

juliets wrote:Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

juliets wrote:I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.