The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:48 pm No Negroni without Campari!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 pm Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

the person who killed FG. read the flavor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 pm Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

the person who killed FG. read the flavor.

I don't see it anywhere, and CTRL+F of 'oheart's gives me a zero for "Jack Daws" and "Jack Daw"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm read the comic book series I clearly never got into from the early 90s

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm @Epignosis you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:22 pm as long as wisp, daisy and i are both alive,

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm read the comic book series I clearly never got into from the early 90s

What does it have to do with killing FG

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm read the comic book series I clearly never got into from the early 90s

What does it have to do with killing FG

he killed FG. therefore, not jack the ripper. no one has claimed the role yet, but if it weren't for the fact that SD has a 3P read I'd lean town on daw.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm @Epignosis you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

I know I'm a civilian, and I'm relieved people see as much. I have no problems seeking civilians and killing other people, if that's what you're asking. It's a viable method of operation. Not perfect, but viable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 pm Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

the person who killed FG. read the flavor.

I don't see it anywhere, and CTRL+F of 'oheart's gives me a zero for "Jack Daws" and "Jack Daw"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:01 pm WEll, it's probably fine. Even if Wisp hits fake roles, LC would have it

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:14 pmHits fake roles?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:03 pm I understand the current POE pool feeling too easy, or feeling default. Those aren't things I tend to concern myself with, because I view them as distant cousins of the gambler's fallacy. Still, I am open to hearing suspicions of/cases against the remainder of the game. If you accept the premise that today's claim shenanigans clear this group: Wisp, Hally, Long Con, and Spacedaisy, then you're left with the following names to pick at:

ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch

None of these people are "cleared". So have at it. Tell me what your worries are. Tell them what your worries are. I direct this to anyone in general.

sabie has half a dozen things going for her. Kitsu ... can be a wolf? No the miller claim is a soft clear. Also probably doesn't kill Nanook but that's subtle. Wilgy is townish. Colin is maybe trending town. Epi trending wolf, seriously there's nothing towny there. Alison is a ???, different from the last game but could go either way. There are a few things that pushed me in a positive direction here now that I think about it. Jay is still on the wolfy side but I don't think can reasonably be a wolf without this poe still getting one hit and the SK. Jay should sort himself out thus. Pawn most likely wolf but colin most likely scum hit overall, changing my opinion. But maybe not Jay/Pawn. I dunno. Epi/Pawn/Kitsu? Or Epi/Pawn/Alison?


per "feeling too easy", I mean, if I walk into a game and the poe is Wilgy, Colin, and the replacement, my thought isn't "too easy" my thought is "something is wrong"

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:34 pm

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:17 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:38 pm @KitsuShel where are you at with reads?

I’m still about where I was earlier, with a few slight changes.

One thing I’d like to suggest, though, after reading both write ups. Jack Daws comes across more like a Vig than a SK to me, def not mafia. Jack the Ripper (if that’s Nanook’s killer) could be mafia, but would fit better as a SK.

*If* those things are correct, that would possibly mean that the mafia hit was blocked last night. But I’m torn on that idea, because write up copping happens a lot on Realms. Like, when someone is blocked or jailkept from there target, there’s oftentimes a vague mention of something like that happening in the write up.

But here there’s just the two kill scenes. I’m not sure if that’s just the Syndicate style or not, though.

Maybe it is a vig and an SK, and the scum kill was blocked or protected.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm @Epignosis you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm @Epignosis you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

ig this is kinda whats bothering me about epi?

in the last game i felt he was very much a “im doing what i want” kind of player? and had a very strong pro town voice and his own direction and pushes and everything?

in this game i feel like hes sitting back more? and maybe isnt having as strong a voice?

idk

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:58 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:22 pm as long as wisp, daisy and i are both alive,

"both"

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:41 pm tbh although i hate to disrespect nanooks legacy i uh

do feel like epi’s presence has been lacking a bit?

he feels kinda forgettable here? whereas in space invaders he was certainly not

but at the same time when epi posts i like them and his iso still feels ~fine

its just... i feel hes a bit lacking in impact?

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:01 pm Long Con - semi cleared
TonyStarkPrime - acting differently than I remember as scum (Fallout?)
DrWilgy - within town meta
Spacedaisy - forthright and unpretentious
Wisp - semi cleared
KitsuShel - miller slip
sabie12 - within town meta
Epignosis - within town meta
Alison - supertowning it D1
JaggedJimmyJay - supertowning it
Hally - semi cleared
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch - sprit didn’t give me bad vibes

Just out of curiosity, why would you call it a Miller slip? I was like, the fourth person who claimed to be one and it def wasn’t a slip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:24 pm Counter to the vigilante argument:

Nobody has claimed it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:06 pm Does ColinIsCool know JaggedJimmyJay's alignment?

Spoiler: show

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:45 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W

Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.

I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.

Does this post TMI Jay to be town or nah

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:19 amJJJ - seems like a duh at this moment

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:11 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:30 am I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

what

Yeah this was a weird post for me too.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:02 am Whatever our setup preferences, let's try to refrain from groaning about the setup. That's never fun for a host to read. We all come from different backgrounds and are accustomed to different norms.

Anyone is always free to send a PM to Sloonei though with grievances. He's our moderator on duty.

Jay, vote for ... whoever you want

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 am is this a real question

Yes.

Do you have any general theory of the game, or are you just spouting random takes to maintain some image of involvement?

This latter portion of the post describes my feelings toward Tony and I might vote there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:41 pm tbh although i hate to disrespect nanooks legacy i uh

do feel like epi’s presence has been lacking a bit?

he feels kinda forgettable here? whereas in space invaders he was certainly not

but at the same time when epi posts i like them and his iso still feels ~fine

its just... i feel hes a bit lacking in impact?

I have heard criticism like this for years.

I have a wife, three children, a new pool, we run a cake business, and I am a musician with a studio in my house.

I do not devote my life to Mafia. My presence will lack until I make it not lack...and then it will lack a while after that until it doesn't.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:24 pm Counter to the vigilante argument:

Nobody has claimed it

would someone claim that immediately?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:31 pm All right. Let's see where I was.

Sang "Babylon Sisters" by Steely Dan and in memory of the late Charlie Daniels, I also sang "Long Haired Country Boy" during Friday night family karaoke.

I'm here now.

I have a version of uneasy rider that I've used a few times.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:55 pm late 90s?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:50 pm @Epignosis you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

I know I'm a civilian, and I'm relieved people see as much. I have no problems seeking civilians and killing other people, if that's what you're asking. It's a viable method of operation. Not perfect, but viable.

What do you think of Alison right now?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:41 pm tbh although i hate to disrespect nanooks legacy i uh

do feel like epi’s presence has been lacking a bit?

he feels kinda forgettable here? whereas in space invaders he was certainly not

but at the same time when epi posts i like them and his iso still feels ~fine

its just... i feel hes a bit lacking in impact?

I have heard criticism like this for years.

I have a wife, three children, a new pool, we run a cake business, and I am a musician with a studio in my house.

I do not devote my life to Mafia. My presence will lack until I make it not lack...and then it will lack a while after that until it doesn't.

okay

i just thought in space invaders you were a bit stronger of a voice?

do you think thats a fair assesment?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:39 pm Why should Pawn Lelouch live beyond Day 2?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:39 pm Why should Pawn Lelouch live beyond Day 2?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?

Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently

why is alison so low?

Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:39 pm Why should Pawn Lelouch live beyond Day 2?

I looked through Pawn's posts. I'd let him alone.

There's adamancy there, there's interest, there's quick but understandable progression.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?

Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently

why is alison so low?

Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.

That looks honest as shit.