The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:45 pm**

@Sloonei has subbed in for @Guillotine. Please don't discuss substitutions!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:48 pm**

Is this what happens when tsp gets 7 mana?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:51 pm**

Seems likely yeah.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:53 pm**

Hi, I've read none of this game. What should I know?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:00 pm**

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:03 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:13 pm @Epignosis @hollowkatt

Chop Tony

Coming around to this too, but the deciders are someone who gave them 6 mana and someone who vowed to shield all their town cred defending dunya. She could’ve burned all that mana fucking up the poll yesterday, and some today.

If 2/3 of the deciders are scum that would be very seriously lopsided, but we also don’t know that the dunya/hk neighborhood was real as opposed to just a scheme.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:03 pm**

burn* their towncred shielding* woops

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm**

is it possible the neighbourhood was decided by someone playing a card?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm**

I think it’s likelier that hk is/was duped than scum, just not counting it out.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:07 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:03 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:13 pm @Epignosis @hollowkatt

Chop Tony
Coming around to this too, but the deciders are someone who gave them 6 mana and someone who vowed to shield all their town cred defending dunya. She could’ve burned all that mana fucking up the poll yesterday, and some today.

If 2/3 of the deciders are scum that would be very seriously lopsided, but we also don’t know that the dunya/hk neighborhood was real as opposed to just a scheme.

Why did my slot want to chop tony?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:07 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:03 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:13 pm @Epignosis @hollowkatt

Chop Tony
Coming around to this too, but the deciders are someone who gave them 6 mana and someone who vowed to shield all their town cred defending dunya. She could’ve burned all that mana fucking up the poll yesterday, and some today.

If 2/3 of the deciders are scum that would be very seriously lopsided, but we also don’t know that the dunya/hk neighborhood was real as opposed to just a scheme.
Why did my slot want to chop tony?

tbh I dunno. I was in a neighborhood with Dunya for most of yesterday, till TSP replaced into her slot. I'm now in another hood with TSP and Epi. We apparently control the chop today.
Mac also hard wolf read me at the end of the day yesterday

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:23 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:00 pm @Epignosis, @hollowkatt and @TonyStarkPrime will participate in a three-way Discord neighborhood today. The three of them will be the sole deciders of today's chop. They will do so by voting publicly ITT as normal. The neighborhood will last until the end of this day phase, after which I will permanently mute the three of them but I won't kick them. They will not be allowed to copy paste stuff from that neighborhood chat and post it in the thread, they need to paraphrase.

oh

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:26 pm**

I have read all the host posts and flips and stuff and have a half-decent grasp on the mechanics.

I will not be reading 60 pages of gameplay. So instead I'll ask the room: Why have we chopped three civilians and zero mafiers?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:29 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm I think it’s likelier that hk is/was duped than scum, just not counting it out.

Duped how?

Also, was Joseph the only claimed blocker?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:30 pm**

Muh towncore

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:31 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:30 pm Muh towncore

Who was in your towncore?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:33 pm**

I am here to build a new towncore. It starts when you answer my question.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:53 pm Hi, I've read none of this game. What should I know?

You're a civilian.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:33 pm I am here to build a new towncore. It starts when you answer my question.

We don't want a new one.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:03 pm hello
yeet jpic

Basically.

Also, I still didn’t get an artifact.

I need someone to give me four mana or better, to take three mana off my hands.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:53 pm Hi, I've read none of this game. What should I know?
You're a civilian.

What should I know that I couldn't get from looking at my rolecard?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:30 pm Muh towncore
Who was in your towncore?

Mac and Marmot.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:26 pm I have read all the host posts and flips and stuff and have a half-decent grasp on the mechanics.

I will not be reading 60 pages of gameplay. So instead I'll ask the room: Why have we chopped three civilians and zero mafiers?

Mechanics.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm**

And HK.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:53 pm Hi, I've read none of this game. What should I know?
You're a civilian.
What should I know that I couldn't get from looking at my rolecard?

Can't I just torture you?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm**

And Epi once Marmot died. And kinda Enrique

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:36 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:53 pm Hi, I've read none of this game. What should I know?
You're a civilian.
What should I know that I couldn't get from looking at my rolecard?
Can't I just torture you?

It would be an inefficient use of our posts.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:37 pm**

I have a million posts. I care nothing about post counts.

I'm about to watch TV for an hour anyway.

Be back after that.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:29 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm I think it’s likelier that hk is/was duped than scum, just not counting it out.
Duped how?

Also, was Joseph the only claimed blocker?

hk is convinced that dunya/tsp is a civ. I disagree.

I think @Epignosis and @hollowkatt have to vote together today. tsp is unteliable and if there’s a tie we’re pretty fucked (brings it down to 6v4 and they kill tonight + have PfT).

@Jackofhearts2005 I couldn’t double target last night but I can try you again.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:41 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:29 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm I think it’s likelier that hk is/was duped than scum, just not counting it out.
Duped how?

Also, was Joseph the only claimed blocker?
hk is convinced that dunya/tsp is a civ. I disagree.

I think @Epignosis and @hollowkatt have to vote together today. tsp is unteliable and if there’s a tie we’re pretty fucked (brings it down to 6v4 and they kill tonight + have PfT).

@Jackofhearts2005 I couldn’t double target last night but I can try you again.

Why has the town been so unsuccessful in this game? Please tell me Enrique. I need to know.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:49 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:41 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:29 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:05 pm I think it’s likelier that hk is/was duped than scum, just not counting it out.
Duped how?

Also, was Joseph the only claimed blocker?
hk is convinced that dunya/tsp is a civ. I disagree.

I think @Epignosis and @hollowkatt have to vote together today. tsp is unteliable and if there’s a tie we’re pretty fucked (brings it down to 6v4 and they kill tonight + have PfT).

@Jackofhearts2005 I couldn’t double target last night but I can try you again.
Why has the town been so unsuccessful in this game? Please tell me Enrique. I need to know.

Yesterday’s lynch was reversed and pretty much handed to the mafia (who could both keep each other off the elimination pool and control ties). So that was always going to turn bad.

That reminds me to look more at yesterday’s crossvotes and all that crap. I know dunya/tsp and LC voted for each other.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:52 pm**

It's unlikely that mafia crossvoted because they don't even need to be protected to avoid execution. They could have all their members unprotected and still break ties.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:54 pm**

Is Enrique mafia?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:05 pm**

I'll take that as a yes.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:07 pm**

I don't think he is.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:07 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:07 pm I don't think he is.

why not?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:07 pm Official VC 3.3:

112 - 1 - Urist
DrWilgy - 0 -
TonyStarkPrime - 1 - Long Con
Enrique - 1 - hollowkatt
Epignosis - 2 - Guillotine, Justplayingitcool
falcon45ca - 1 - MacDougall
Guillotine - 1 - Epignosis
hollowkatt - 1 - falcon45ca
Jackofhearts2005 - 1 - Enrique
Justplayingitcool - 0 -
Long Con - 1 - TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall - 2 - DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005
Urist - 1 - 112

Not voting - 0 -

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tutuu

DrWilgy
dunya / TonyStarkPrime
Enrique
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Guillotine
Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
Nicol Bolas / 112
hollowkatt
tedxtr
Poison / Urist

Urist and 112 crossvoted too. So did Epi and Guillo (who are not partners).

Epi being covered by both Guillo and JPIC may seem notable. But JPIC obviously wouldn’t vote for Wilgy and doom himself; Guillo didn’t vote to save anyone else because of his silencing (would’ve cost life to go over limit... he did threaten suicide at one point though lol).

Mac also got two votes (Jack and Wilgy) but we know for a fact 2 of the 3 were civs. Jack could have voted to save either Wilgy or JPIC but it didn’t align with his plan (neither of them being in his towncore).

Jack-JPIC is a possible pairing to draw from looking at the poll alone (if they knew a tie would kill Wilgy), but I don’t buy it. Jack’s vote also makes sense as a civ and his plan was a genuine option to try and crack the event.

So what we really know from the poll is:

dunya and LC voted for each other; dunya had enough mana yesterday to trigger a yeet mayhem like tsp did today, and we got a different sort.

Urist and 112 voted for each other, now Urist protests that the mafia wouldn’t have to do that anyway. Meh.

The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:07 pm Official VC 3.3:

112 - 1 - Urist
DrWilgy - 0 -
TonyStarkPrime - 1 - Long Con
Enrique - 1 - hollowkatt
Epignosis - 2 - Guillotine, Justplayingitcool
falcon45ca - 1 - MacDougall
Guillotine - 1 - Epignosis
hollowkatt - 1 - falcon45ca
Jackofhearts2005 - 1 - Enrique
Justplayingitcool - 0 -
Long Con - 1 - TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall - 2 - DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005
Urist - 1 - 112

Not voting - 0 -

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tutuu

DrWilgy
dunya / TonyStarkPrime
Enrique
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Guillotine
Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
Nicol Bolas / 112
hollowkatt
tedxtr
Poison / Urist

Urist and 112 crossvoted too. So did Epi and Guillo (who are not partners).

Epi being covered by both Guillo and JPIC may seem notable. But JPIC obviously wouldn’t vote for Wilgy and doom himself; Guillo didn’t vote to save anyone else because of his silencing (would’ve cost life to go over limit... he did threaten suicide at one point though lol).

Mac also got two votes (Jack and Wilgy) but we know for a fact 2 of the 3 were civs. Jack could have voted to save either Wilgy or JPIC but it didn’t align with his plan (neither of them being in his towncore).

Jack-JPIC is a possible pairing to draw from looking at the poll alone (if they knew a tie would kill Wilgy), but I don’t buy it. Jack’s vote also makes sense as a civ and his plan was a genuine option to try and crack the event.

So what we really know from the poll is:

dunya and LC voted for each other; dunya had enough mana yesterday to trigger a yeet mayhem like tsp did today, and we got a different sort.

Urist and 112 voted for each other, now Urist protests that the mafia wouldn’t have to do that anyway. Meh.

The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.

Shit. Sorry tutuu for impersonating you...

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:20 pm**

tsp calling guillo “guillermo” was really funny and i wish i remembered to do it more.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:22 pm**

Re your big post Enrique I do like Jack for town fwiw. I think the work he was doing yesterday to try to figure out the best way to try to yeet a wolf was townie.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:25 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:22 pm Re your big post Enrique I do like Jack for town fwiw. I think the work he was doing yesterday to try to figure out the best way to try to yeet a wolf was townie.

Yeah I agree. And I believe super-early role claims too because I’m just a sucker like that. He’s a pretty stable town read for me.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:27 pm**

it is 7 vs 4 right now. That's a tight spot. How's our collective POE looking?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:29 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:27 pm it is 7 vs 4 right now. That's a tight spot. How's our collective POE looking?

shittastic unless the wolf team is like literally urist/112/jpic/x where x is anyone that isn't Epi (or myself but that's obvs from me lol)
that's like my personal POE tho, not a collective wisdom POE

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:30 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:27 pm it is 7 vs 4 right now. That's a tight spot. How's our collective POE looking?
shittastic unless the wolf team is like literally urist/112/jpic/x where x is anyone that isn't Epi (or myself but that's obvs from me lol)
that's like my personal POE tho, not a collective wisdom POE

Care to give me a quick rundown of why this is your POE? What have people done to be ruled out? Why haven't these names been crossed off your list?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:38 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:27 pm it is 7 vs 4 right now. That's a tight spot. How's our collective POE looking?
shittastic unless the wolf team is like literally urist/112/jpic/x where x is anyone that isn't Epi (or myself but that's obvs from me lol)
that's like my personal POE tho, not a collective wisdom POE
Care to give me a quick rundown of why this is your POE? What have people done to be ruled out? Why haven't these names been crossed off your list?

Ok. So originally I thought Nicol Bolas (as played by Esooa) to be wolfy b/c of how disengaged and disconnected she was from the thread. She dropped a spicy read on Wigly at the very beginning of the game with regards to him being wolf b/c he didn't do some "typical doctor shite" or something like that.
She was also kinda mech focused.

She was replaced by 112 who I only know by reputation and some spec, and 112 hasn't been super impressive to me since she got here. Seems quiet and again fairly disengaged.
Urist dropped what I thought was a weird read on Esooa that she had to be town b/c mafia esooa wouldn't be disengaged and disinterested like she was. I disagree with that. Your mileage may vary.
JPIC I've been ambivalent on for a while I guess. He hasn't done anything that I think is super townie, and hasn't done anything that I think is super wolfy.

Mostly he's on there b/c I can find decent reasons to town read everyone else that isn't him.

Epi is functionally confirmed town, I believe the mason buddy with Marmot?
TSP I town read off of Dunyas play and the neighborhood that we (her and I, and then TSP and I when he came in) shared yesterday. She seemed genuine and honest in there. Maybe I'm a sucker for nice words and kindness, but I just don't think TSP is a wolf.
LC I believe is town off of mechs. I was sent an artifact last night that boosts my mana production by 2 of any color I want and I believe that's from him. I don't think wolves give me extra mana given my claim to be a direct damage role with a kicker.

Enrique I melded with during a good chunk of D2 (or maybe D3, they run together a bit) and I don't think he's been taking angles that are wolfy.
Falcon I had a snap town read on when he and I melded a bit on some mana generation thought processes, and then his further play from there has been what I would consider decently town. He's not been pushing what I think are bad pushes, not really doing things I think are anti-town.
And then there's you. I had Guillotine as vv townie and see no reason to walk that backwards.
So basically my POE exists b/c they're less town than everyone else.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:40 pm**

112
Long Con
falcon
Justplayingitcool
TonyStarkPrime

4 of these imo but mostly the last 2. sloon, hk and urist are town leans, epi confirmed town, jack probable town.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm**

Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm**

[VOTE: VOTE 112] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?

Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm**

The Council of the Wise and Witless have made a decision.

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