Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am
Ahhh say less
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:10 am
Nah.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:10 am
I haven't been towny very much lately without dying too soon for my opinions to have been anything more than my early game reaction testing.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:03 amI thought disgust was a harsher reaction. How do you explain being good, and then suddenly not being good? I didn't change my play.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:00 amThat seems needlessly harsh.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:59 am"Disgust" is a pretty strong word. I'm thinking your past good reads of me might have just been lucky, and your luck has changed these days.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:57 amFor what its worth I recognise your disgust with me misreading you as your town reaction.
Also I can't remember the last time I actually tried hard as town to read anyone. I'm not even trying hard here. I've probably read less than 20% of the total game.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:11 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:11 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:12 am
Alison: LC or either town or mafia
LC: So I'm mafia...
LC: So I'm mafia...
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:12 am
I've made it clear that I have Oddmerta as top town so I'm mostly thinking if you're mafia you looked at me and Mac catching BK/Al and decided to bus. Speaking of which you should shift your vote.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:12 am
I may be confusing early game reaction testing with actual solid reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:10 amI haven't been towny very much lately without dying too soon for my opinions to have been anything more than my early game reaction testing.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:03 amI thought disgust was a harsher reaction. How do you explain being good, and then suddenly not being good? I didn't change my play.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:00 amThat seems needlessly harsh.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:59 am"Disgust" is a pretty strong word. I'm thinking your past good reads of me might have just been lucky, and your luck has changed these days.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:57 amFor what its worth I recognise your disgust with me misreading you as your town reaction.
Also I can't remember the last time I actually tried hard as town to read anyone. I'm not even trying hard here. I've probably read less than 20% of the total game.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:12 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:13 am
What's the point of the above statement. Isn't everyone either town or mafia?
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:13 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
lol nah.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
A lot of people do that. I'm not saying I don't believe my early game reads but part of my playstyle, at least when I'm trying to win for town, is to make my reads with supreme confidence even when they are just gut or based on mildly over rand things. It's tactical. I built a playstyle that allows me to be wrong in a helpful way lol.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:12 amI may be confusing early game reaction testing with actual solid reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:10 amI haven't been towny very much lately without dying too soon for my opinions to have been anything more than my early game reaction testing.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:03 amI thought disgust was a harsher reaction. How do you explain being good, and then suddenly not being good? I didn't change my play.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:00 amThat seems needlessly harsh.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:59 am"Disgust" is a pretty strong word. I'm thinking your past good reads of me might have just been lucky, and your luck has changed these days.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:57 amFor what its worth I recognise your disgust with me misreading you as your town reaction.
Also I can't remember the last time I actually tried hard as town to read anyone. I'm not even trying hard here. I've probably read less than 20% of the total game.
I know it sounds bs but its the truth.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 am
You're losing me.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 am
Ok I'll vote Bo again. [VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine
I gave her credit!Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:13 amOh yeah tutuu also caught them. Credit where it's due.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 am
I don't think it's like uber scummy it's just funny. It's like a little towny if anything. Mafia probably read Alison saying they're either town or mafia cuz and feel relieved rather than attacking her.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 am
But everyone is either town or mafia. Wtf is a town/mafia read? That sounds unbelievably redundant.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 amWhat man?
Alison made a LC is either town or mafia because read.
He immediately responded to her mafia read on him lol.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am
As I said i identify the LC that is town and acts harsh and ridicules people when they scumread them. He hasnt been like "fuck off you people are morons" level harsh but there is a sense of severe irritation that indicates that to me.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am
I said LC is either town or a bussing mafia.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:19 am
You are making zero effort to actually attempt to understand are you lol.BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 amBut everyone is either town or mafia. Wtf is a town/mafia read? That sounds unbelievably redundant.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 amWhat man?
Alison made a LC is either town or mafia because read.
He immediately responded to her mafia read on him lol.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:19 am
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:20 am
I don't think t was an attack, I just wanted to understand her better.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 am I don't think it's like uber scummy it's just funny. It's like a little towny if anything. Mafia probably read Alison saying they're either town or mafia cuz and feel relieved rather than attacking her.
That's... not the right angle for understanding.BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 amBut everyone is either town or mafia. Wtf is a town/mafia read? That sounds unbelievably redundant.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 amWhat man?
Alison made a LC is either town or mafia because read.
He immediately responded to her mafia read on him lol.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:20 am
a littleMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:19 amYou are making zero effort to actually attempt to understand are you lol.BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:16 amBut everyone is either town or mafia. Wtf is a town/mafia read? That sounds unbelievably redundant.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:15 amWhat man?
Alison made a LC is either town or mafia because read.
He immediately responded to her mafia read on him lol.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:21 am
This is 100% wrong, Joe what are you doing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am As I said i identify the LC that is town and acts harsh and ridicules people when they scumread them. He hasnt been like "fuck off you people are morons" level harsh but there is a sense of severe irritation that indicates that to me.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:22 am
Lol wait Bo just didn't bother reading the last few posts on the previous page but kept live engaging. That's a lil towny maybe.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:22 am
So you're mafia then?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:21 amThis is 100% wrong, Joe what are you doing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am As I said i identify the LC that is town and acts harsh and ridicules people when they scumread them. He hasnt been like "fuck off you people are morons" level harsh but there is a sense of severe irritation that indicates that to me.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:23 am
I just read what's in front of me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:22 am Lol wait Bo just didn't bother reading the last few posts on the previous page but kept live engaging. That's a lil towny maybe.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:23 am
I think I have gotten more irate at suspicion in the past when I've been mafia, not when I'm town, like you said.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:22 amSo you're mafia then?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:21 amThis is 100% wrong, Joe what are you doing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am As I said i identify the LC that is town and acts harsh and ridicules people when they scumread them. He hasnt been like "fuck off you people are morons" level harsh but there is a sense of severe irritation that indicates that to me.
Also, I am really not feeling any irritation at all in this game, and I don't know where you are reading that.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 am
I just don't understand how you guys get to these conclusions. How does this tell you that LC is scum?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:22 amSo you're mafia then?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:21 amThis is 100% wrong, Joe what are you doing?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:18 am As I said i identify the LC that is town and acts harsh and ridicules people when they scumread them. He hasnt been like "fuck off you people are morons" level harsh but there is a sense of severe irritation that indicates that to me.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 am
LC Im sorry if you disagree but the most recent scenario in which I was partly responsible for wrongly killing you when you were town you went down screeching and feelings hurting lol. That I can sense a similar thing in you here isn't actively for you to determine because I dont think its a conscious response.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:25 am
nearly half my posts came from this game.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am
In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.
I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.
I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am
Perhaps you are more consciously severe when mafia but I am feeling a similar type of response to suspicion from you here as I felt as we were killing you in the other game when you flipped town. It's very "vibes". It's entirely possibly just bullshit but its just my vibes.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 am
Gosh you really summarised it nicely actually.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.
I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 am
I know when I'm feeling upset, and it hasn't happened yet. But I haven't felt really threatened yet either, so no reason to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 am LC Im sorry if you disagree but the most recent scenario in which I was partly responsible for wrongly killing you when you were town you went down screeching and feelings hurting lol. That I can sense a similar thing in you here isn't actively for you to determine because I dont think its a conscious response.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 am
LOL he really did.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 amGosh you really summarised it nicely actually.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.
I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:28 am
Okay irritation being the wrong word but him railing against my skill and questioning why he ever respected me is aligned closer to how you describe his town version of irritation. That's the link.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.
I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:28 am
Bottom line is: LC is a big baby mostly. 
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am
One thing that I thought ought to be stated with regard to AL_sama: a number of folks have noted that they produced a reads list "out of nowhere". I'm not sure that's really true, since I repeatedly poked them with requests for reads.
This doesn't mean they're town. I think they still took quite a long time to produce reads that are generally nondescript and safe, and I trust them no more than before as a result. But I like to be precise about my accusations.
This doesn't mean they're town. I think they still took quite a long time to produce reads that are generally nondescript and safe, and I trust them no more than before as a result. But I like to be precise about my accusations.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am
Yeah I've not used the right words to describe it. Irritation may not be what you feel. But the mindset you are in to respond to me the way you did is aligned to how I've seen you respond to miselims imo.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 amI know when I'm feeling upset, and it hasn't happened yet. But I haven't felt really threatened yet either, so no reason to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 am LC Im sorry if you disagree but the most recent scenario in which I was partly responsible for wrongly killing you when you were town you went down screeching and feelings hurting lol. That I can sense a similar thing in you here isn't actively for you to determine because I dont think its a conscious response.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:30 am
I'm not confident in scumreading a new player I have never seen before on Day 1, because I don't know how they usually are, and also the community thing.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:30 am
What are you thoughts on his reaction to the read list when Falcon added a little bit of pressure?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am One thing that I thought ought to be stated with regard to AL_sama: a number of folks have noted that they produced a reads list "out of nowhere". I'm not sure that's really true, since I repeatedly poked them with requests for reads.
This doesn't mean they're town. I think they still took quite a long time to produce reads that are generally nondescript and safe, and I trust them no more than before as a result. But I like to be precise about my accusations.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:31 am
Acceptable. Really, self-analysis isn't my strong suit, so I should trust others who know me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 amYeah I've not used the right words to describe it. Irritation may not be what you feel. But the mindset you are in to respond to me the way you did is aligned to how I've seen you respond to miselims imo.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:27 amI know when I'm feeling upset, and it hasn't happened yet. But I haven't felt really threatened yet either, so no reason to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 am LC Im sorry if you disagree but the most recent scenario in which I was partly responsible for wrongly killing you when you were town you went down screeching and feelings hurting lol. That I can sense a similar thing in you here isn't actively for you to determine because I dont think its a conscious response.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:34 am
Lol no. You just are so frequently the centre of a push that benchmarks of your reactions are established. I assume that is simply because you've had the misfortune of randing mafia frequently enough for people to feel they have good meta on you so you get poked for reactions more than others which in the absence of alternatives is sometimes enough to lead to real threat. This perpetual cycle makes you a chew toy in mafia games.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:35 am
Like someone timid in the face of a harsh assessment. I think someone (maybe you?) suggested it looked mafia/mafia -- I don't think I agree with that. If AL_sama is mafia, I think that looks like them shrinking visibly from the pressure presented by someone outside their comfort zone. AL's reaction doesn't have to be a mafia one. It doesn't tell me much in general about them on its own power. It at least fits within the broader image of what I think a mafia AL would be in this game.BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:30 amWhat are you thoughts on his reaction to the read list when Falcon added a little bit of pressure?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am One thing that I thought ought to be stated with regard to AL_sama: a number of folks have noted that they produced a reads list "out of nowhere". I'm not sure that's really true, since I repeatedly poked them with requests for reads.
This doesn't mean they're town. I think they still took quite a long time to produce reads that are generally nondescript and safe, and I trust them no more than before as a result. But I like to be precise about my accusations.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:35 am
And being a chew toy would be annoying for anyone.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:37 am
I think we strongly disagree on two people maxMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:56 amOkay.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:49 amLHF \neq townAlison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:08 amWhy is Al_sama town?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 amDown the line:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:59 am Let's play a game:
Is this low-hanging fruit, or is this a justifiable suspect?
AL_sama
BoKnows
fingersplints
JPIC
KZA
Long Con
Marmot
tedxtr
I extract these specific names because they strike me as applicable to the question -- either facing generic suspicions or otherwise pretty blank slates.
1
2
Neither it’s a trick question
1 for some reason
2
Actually feeling 2 but idk why
1
1
Here's the thing.
You and I are completely polarised in our reads.
If yours are correct then that means substantial shit.
So I ask again how confident are these reads. Are you overpromoting them for a town benefit you can articulate? Because if you are town you are either supremely wrong for some reason or I am and if I am then I am heavily pocketed and promoting scum wincon right now and need to figure out if I am.
The problem is that the potential pocketeers are just so brutally obviously town to me. I just am going to find it so hard to see otherwise.
So the outlier is that not only am I wrong but Alison, Jay, Sloonei and other more consensus contributors are all wrong and you are right. There are no wolves that profile as wolves in that scenario that make sense.
The only possibility that makes any sense is you are just hyping your shit reads and know they are baseless but are pushing them anyway for some reason as town or mafia.
If town. Stop it lo.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:38 am
Tutuu said it looked like it was Al and I and w/w. Alison then broke it down, and I kinda understood it but not really. Kinda like if you read a scientific paper on blackholes you understand the words but it doesn't make sense to you. To me when his reaction of not being confident in his reads list just tells me that he slapped together a reads list just to gave one. That may not be the case if you asked him to make one.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:35 amLike someone timid in the face of a harsh assessment. I think someone (maybe you?) suggested it looked mafia/mafia -- I don't think I agree with that. If AL_sama is mafia, I think that looks like them shrinking visibly from the pressure presented by someone outside their comfort zone. AL's reaction doesn't have to be a mafia one. It doesn't tell me much in general about them on its own power. It at least fits within the broader image of what I think a mafia AL would be in this game.BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:30 amWhat are you thoughts on his reaction to the read list when Falcon added a little bit of pressure?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am One thing that I thought ought to be stated with regard to AL_sama: a number of folks have noted that they produced a reads list "out of nowhere". I'm not sure that's really true, since I repeatedly poked them with requests for reads.
This doesn't mean they're town. I think they still took quite a long time to produce reads that are generally nondescript and safe, and I trust them no more than before as a result. But I like to be precise about my accusations.
Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:39 am
For what it's worth to Long Con: I think the frequency with which he receives suspicion is a product of two things above all else:
1) lower activity level -- it may be lame that this happens, but it's not surprising. When more and more players adopt a POE-styled approach, players who offer less material to interpret are going to be read with less confidence by default. It's inescapable. That's why some people seem to find themselves in POE pools every game. I'm sorry that happens, but I don't know what can be done about it on the part of the hunters.
2) Long Con has a way of inviting it as a self-fulfilling prophecy and causing snowball effects. I might as well not even try, because I'll just get read as mafia -- this is an anecdotal view based on some frustrating incidents where trying did result in suspicion. But in general, trying harder is going to result in greater trust. It's also inescapable.
1) lower activity level -- it may be lame that this happens, but it's not surprising. When more and more players adopt a POE-styled approach, players who offer less material to interpret are going to be read with less confidence by default. It's inescapable. That's why some people seem to find themselves in POE pools every game. I'm sorry that happens, but I don't know what can be done about it on the part of the hunters.
2) Long Con has a way of inviting it as a self-fulfilling prophecy and causing snowball effects. I might as well not even try, because I'll just get read as mafia -- this is an anecdotal view based on some frustrating incidents where trying did result in suspicion. But in general, trying harder is going to result in greater trust. It's also inescapable.