Re: Day 6 Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:57 pm
I don't know when you have and haven't been on, but it was nearly an entire day and you seemed to be around when I first responded to you.
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And to the points you made, I don't really have anything else to say, except that it's a movie I know well, and I've had fun making allusions to the movie in my posts.Bullzeye wrote:I see MM had nothing to say in response to my re-explanation of why I find him suspicious. I also have a problem with his vote for LoRab, which he said was 'until she explains why she finds him suspicious'. She offered an explanation and his vote stuck, which makes me feel like it was basically just a NO U.
Ha ha, I remember when your avatar at Hedville was a picture of Rabbit wearing a tiara. Good timesfingersplints wrote:I remember back when rabbit played (maybe he still does? haven't heard about him in a long while though) and I used to love to make him post nice things about people.
Long Con asked her "In what way" and her response was:Mongoose wrote:Canuck has got to be a red herring.juliets wrote:As I pointed out earlier, bwt was talking about ninjajellobabies and Canuck right before he died. His suspicion of Canuck seemed stronger. I personally believe she is a civ. I do agree that everyone should read it for themselves.
Notice that makes no sense.Mongoose wrote:It just seems too obvious a set-up.Long Con wrote:In what way?Mongoose wrote:Canuck has got to be a red herring.juliets wrote:As I pointed out earlier, bwt was talking about ninjajellobabies and Canuck right before he died. His suspicion of Canuck seemed stronger. I personally believe she is a civ. I do agree that everyone should read it for themselves.
She's "pretty sure" that's where she was going with that? Why isnt she sure - she's the one who said it. I think she is scrambling to find something that makes sense because she never should have posted that comment about Canuck being a read herring in this thread to begin with.Mongoose wrote:I'm pretty sure that's where I was going with that, yeah.Long Con wrote:I'm having trouble understanding still, are you saying she's a Civvie set up as a baddie?
Her comment that she was blatantly telling us to look somewhere else was funny, but I believe it is her telling us she's caught - she cant explain that first comment about Canuck being a red herring, the one that started this whole thing because she never meant to say it in the first place.Mongoose wrote:Ture, and you know I'm Mayor Civ, right? Let's all consider someone else today!thellama73 wrote:Maybe some people just know my play style better than others.Hedgeowl wrote:Except the opposite because Canuck's not on the poll.Long Con wrote:Now Mongoose voted Canuck... Such weird!
I haven't been getting the civviest feelings from Mongoose's posts, but my real problem is llama. I have been pretty sure he is civ, but reevaluating if I am super off. People said Mongooses defense of him was strange and possibly forced, but I haven't seen a forced defense before. I do remember in Supernatural being forced to do the opposite and make a case on Tranq. Juliets were you the trickster role in that game? Have others seen roles with forced defense before?
Blatant "Look Over There!" tactic is blatant.
I remember that was when I first joined Hedville and you or Bea said I was going to have some competion for rabbit battles with diggz and PGH. I knew I had to do something big to make my entrance and I found that picture of him in the pictures thread. It was just too perfect to pass up.S~V~S wrote:Ha ha, I remember when your avatar at Hedville was a picture of Rabbit wearing a tiara. Good timesfingersplints wrote:I remember back when rabbit played (maybe he still does? haven't heard about him in a long while though) and I used to love to make him post nice things about people.He has not been around in a while, he was a monstrous pain in the ass at times, but his awesome outweighed it.
Bullzeye wrote:Actually, the points I've made so far have convinced me to *Vote MM*
No, you didn't. I just read through all of your posts since I replaced in and do not see a post where you asked me. If I'm missing it, please link to where you asked me before.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that's not fair. I haven't been on since then.Bullzeye wrote:I see MM had nothing to say in response to my re-explanation of why I find him suspicious. I also have a problem with his vote for LoRab, which he said was 'until she explains why she finds him suspicious'. She offered an explanation and his vote stuck, which makes me feel like it was basically just a NO U.![]()
And as I said before, I wanted an answer from LoRab. I had asked before, and she didn't answer, so I knew a vote might get her attention more.
Are you talking about me? I have not indicated an opinion on llama since SVS said he was bad and then turned up as God. I am redoing my list and should have that up Sunday night or maybe Sunday morning (I have a football game to go to Sunday during the day). I don't know what you are talking about in terms of a focus on BTS. I don't recall mentioning bts before this issue with Mongoose but it is certainly possible. Can you pull the quote that is bothering you in this respect? I don't have any info about anyone in bts and my theory is that Mongoose has bts and did not mean to post what she posted here. I think my theory is a strong theory and most likely true which is why I was willing to vote on it.LoRab wrote:Also, reading through your posts, I also notice that you agree with and support Llama an awful lot. Because I know her style pretty well, I'm trusting SVS on what she says about Llama being bad. Which makes me suspect you all the more.
And you have what seems like a lot of focus on baddies and BTSC--not in a "I find these people suspicious" way that would make sense, but in a speculation kind of way, that makes it look like you're trying to appear like you don't know information that you actually do know.
That said, the Mongoose red herring stuff is also really weird, so I'm suspecting her, as well.
interesting theory. I haven't heard anything that makes any sense at all regarding Mongoose's weirdness other than Splints' explanation, and, well, it's a short list of players today. I can't see anyone else in that list that I'll find more suspicious than Mongoose. And if someone else has a sudden major slip-up, hey, votes are changeable!juliets wrote:I have to vote tonight and i am the most worried about Mongoose. I believe her comment about Canuck being a red herring was meant for baddie bts and she posted it here by mistake. That is further supported by her replies to long con...
What would you like me to ay about you? What would you like me to call you out on?Metalmarsh89 wrote: I do want llama's view on this. He seems to have deliberately avoided talking about it, or about me in general for that matter. Llama usually calls me out on something before now in games.
I look forward to you being more coherent and less blendy, Boogs. Then you can explain why me voting someone I've been suspicious of for a long time earns me your eye and makes you mad.Boogs wrote:Bullzeye wrote:Actually, the points I've made so far have convinced me to *Vote MM*![]()
Can you clarify what you mean by starting point? Do you mean in RE: Canuck?Long Con wrote:I will try again, Mongoose. Any particular starting point you can give me?
My apologies, I did not remember correctly what I posted. This was all I had said.LoRab wrote:No, you didn't. I just read through all of your posts since I replaced in and do not see a post where you asked me. If I'm missing it, please link to where you asked me before.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that's not fair. I haven't been on since then.Bullzeye wrote:I see MM had nothing to say in response to my re-explanation of why I find him suspicious. I also have a problem with his vote for LoRab, which he said was 'until she explains why she finds him suspicious'. She offered an explanation and his vote stuck, which makes me feel like it was basically just a NO U.![]()
And as I said before, I wanted an answer from LoRab. I had asked before, and she didn't answer, so I knew a vote might get her attention more.
Unless maybe you asked your teammates in BTSC why they thought I might suspect you?
Except for the vote on LC yesterday, it was mostly circumstantial. You will also notice that I have disagreed with him far more than I have actually agreed with him. Given the choice, I would be voting him today.LoRab wrote:Also, reading through your posts, I also notice that you agree with and support Llama an awful lot. Because I know her style pretty well, I'm trusting SVS on what she says about Llama being bad. Which makes me suspect you all the more.
And you have what seems like a lot of focus on baddies and BTSC--not in a "I find these people suspicious" way that would make sense, but in a speculation kind of way, that makes it look like you're trying to appear like you don't know information that you actually do know.
That said, the Mongoose red herring stuff is also really weird, so I'm suspecting her, as well.
Acknowledge me or I'll feel sad.thellama73 wrote:What would you like me to ay about you? What would you like me to call you out on?Metalmarsh89 wrote: I do want llama's view on this. He seems to have deliberately avoided talking about it, or about me in general for that matter. Llama usually calls me out on something before now in games.
Sorry for the multiple posts.thellama73 wrote:I find it odd that MM chose me to solicit an opinion (ostensibly a defense) from. As someone who has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow (and would flip most resolutely civ), I expect MM thinks a vote of confidence from me would secure his survival.
I'll be honest, I have not been particularly suspicious of MM this game until this question, which rings all sorts of alarm bells for me.
This is what I meant , Mongoose. If I have ten minutes, scroll through which posts? I've been "around more", what context do you mean?Mongoose wrote:The stuff I've said makes sense to me in a microcosm way. Like if you have 10 mins to scroll through posts and do the best they can, they make sense. For you who have been around more and can think of the more recent posts in better context, they might not make as much sense
I don't understand what you're saying here.Long Con wrote:MM, I think Lorab being concerned about you voting for her would happen if she were Civvie of baddie. You know?
Maybe I read too much into your "maybe that's what you're worried about" post. I thought you were saying that worried means baddie , but on reread you may not have been implying that.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't understand what you're saying here.Long Con wrote:MM, I think Lorab being concerned about you voting for her would happen if she were Civvie of baddie. You know?
Why are you not afraid of being lynched? That's an odd thing to say, and every time someone says it, it makes me think they are bluffing. Although maybe you think being lynched will only result in a flesh wound.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorry for the multiple posts.thellama73 wrote:I find it odd that MM chose me to solicit an opinion (ostensibly a defense) from. As someone who has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow (and would flip most resolutely civ), I expect MM thinks a vote of confidence from me would secure his survival.
I'll be honest, I have not been particularly suspicious of MM this game until this question, which rings all sorts of alarm bells for me.
I want your opinion because I haven't really gotten anything from you directly game, but maybe that was because of your read on me. I'm also trying to gauge your responses as well because I have grown very suspicious of you ever since Made was lynched.
I'm also not afraid of being lynched, so I'm trying to get as much reaction and interaction as I can if it were to happen.
If you meant that as a question or clarification, it really did not read that way. I'm still not sure why you say at the beginning of the lynch that I had never stated why I suspected you.Metalmarsh89 wrote:My apologies, I did not remember correctly what I posted. This was all I had said.LoRab wrote:No, you didn't. I just read through all of your posts since I replaced in and do not see a post where you asked me. If I'm missing it, please link to where you asked me before.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that's not fair. I haven't been on since then.Bullzeye wrote:I see MM had nothing to say in response to my re-explanation of why I find him suspicious. I also have a problem with his vote for LoRab, which he said was 'until she explains why she finds him suspicious'. She offered an explanation and his vote stuck, which makes me feel like it was basically just a NO U.![]()
And as I said before, I wanted an answer from LoRab. I had asked before, and she didn't answer, so I knew a vote might get her attention more.
Unless maybe you asked your teammates in BTSC why they thought I might suspect you?
Disagreed, but at the same time almost subtly supported--or at the very least kept the conversation of his ideas going. The back and forth now could very well between you and llama could be staged/distancing.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Except for the vote on LC yesterday, it was mostly circumstantial. You will also notice that I have disagreed with him far more than I have actually agreed with him. Given the choice, I would be voting him today.LoRab wrote:Also, reading through your posts, I also notice that you agree with and support Llama an awful lot. Because I know her style pretty well, I'm trusting SVS on what she says about Llama being bad. Which makes me suspect you all the more.
And you have what seems like a lot of focus on baddies and BTSC--not in a "I find these people suspicious" way that would make sense, but in a speculation kind of way, that makes it look like you're trying to appear like you don't know information that you actually do know.
That said, the Mongoose red herring stuff is also really weird, so I'm suspecting her, as well.
Don't expect that my vote will stay on you. I will change it, I just don't know who I'm changing it to yet. Maybe that's what you're so worried about right now?
nijuukyugou wrote:Also, time for more beer. Oh so much more beer.
Probably because you never did, at least not before I asked today.LoRab wrote:If you meant that as a question or clarification, it really did not read that way. I'm still not sure why you say at the beginning of the lynch that I had never stated why I suspected you.Metalmarsh89 wrote:My apologies, I did not remember correctly what I posted. This was all I had said.LoRab wrote:No, you didn't. I just read through all of your posts since I replaced in and do not see a post where you asked me. If I'm missing it, please link to where you asked me before.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that's not fair. I haven't been on since then.Bullzeye wrote:I see MM had nothing to say in response to my re-explanation of why I find him suspicious. I also have a problem with his vote for LoRab, which he said was 'until she explains why she finds him suspicious'. She offered an explanation and his vote stuck, which makes me feel like it was basically just a NO U.![]()
And as I said before, I wanted an answer from LoRab. I had asked before, and she didn't answer, so I knew a vote might get her attention more.
Unless maybe you asked your teammates in BTSC why they thought I might suspect you?![]()
And what about those two votes for me right there at the end of the day. Do those make you feel nervous?thellama73 wrote:Right, I have to go out so I am voting now. MetalMarsh's latest posts appealing to me for opinions and claiming he isn't scared of being lynched make me feel nervous about him, and I think Mongoose is unlikely to be bad, so I will vote for MM.
If I had time to try and save Made, I would have. Unfortunately, Made had more than 10 votes at the time, I had no free time to dedicate, and the day was almost over. Just too many forces going against me on that one.nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, back. Whew. Whirlwind today in the world of Real Life, and catching a brief moment before more guests arrive. SO.
Firstly, a belated RIP God (sorry about that, Lord/SVS - I really did think you were bad!) and RIP BWT.
Secondly, I've been seeing posts about Mongoose giving people baddie vibes throughout the game, but I don't see it. Her gameplay seems fairly normal to me, but perhaps I haven't played with her enough to know? I don't see her "red herring" comment to be out of the blue or a BTSC slip-up, as people are saying, although I would like to know more about what she's trying to say (but perhaps she just...can't? Possibility). I don't intend to put my vote there.
Out of the people on the list today, I think LC and MM are most likely to be bad that I can see. LC pinged me with the sudden outburst at llama for his BTSC/Chatzy comment and using that particular instance as his apparent time to go after him. He claims he's been after him under the radar since the beginning, but I didn't see it (probably because it was "under the radar," but if you feel it, say it). As for MM, I re-read him (and lordy, was it a re-read...so many posts :P ) and while in the beginning I wasn't seeing much wrong, especially with what people were using against him (the French comment, the Epi comments, etc., which I found relatively normal), his final adamant Made vote disturbed me because he had a pretty good reason to believe he was Lancelot, and said so, but still voted for him. LC did the same thing. Yeah, y'all weren't 100% sure, but you had good reason to believe he had a definite Civ role over others on the poll.
And now, MM claims he's not worried about being lynched. That's weird. That's really weird. Is it protection? Or assuming that people won't bother to vote for you? I'm going with MM.
And the amazing disappearing Blooper performs her tricks again, playing the good Party Host until later tonight. POOF!
Also, time for more beer. Oh so much more beer.
Except that I did. My initial post that says that not only your initial French comment but also (and especially) your comments following up set off my suspiciometer. Also, our back and forth about the epi stuff. Here are all the posts quoted for context.Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Probably because you never did, at least not before I asked today.
LoRab wrote:It's not just you. It pinged me, as well. Especially with her (his?) answers since you brought it up.Bullzeye wrote:It just felt strange to me that of all the possibilities you came up with one specific one for a group of people. Nobody else seems to have picked up on it so maybe I'm just crazy but it's something I felt funny about so I brought it up.Metalmarsh89 wrote:There are 25 players in this game; the parity has to exist somewhere.Bullzeye wrote: I know they're in the film and aren't friendly. I just think it's odd you seem to assume they're the/a baddie team (and mention them specifically) when the only known baddie role has no affiliation with them.
And no I'm not assuming that anyone who has BTSC is bad, I'm putting the idea up for discussion.
LoRab wrote:Oy. I was set to catch up and vote this afternoon, and started to do the first of those, and then someone came into my office, and then by the time I was looking at a computer again it was too late. RIP MR. As I said earlier, I didn't see reason for suspicion of him. Having now read through the last day of the thread--nice bandwagon. I need to look back and see some of its starts and where the seeds were planted. I would have voted Made, or maybe MM. My feelings of neither of them has changed.
Neither, I don't think. I don't think he's appearing stupid, first of all. And he certainly isn't stupid. I think he's just being him. He knows what he's doing--he's smart as fuck and is one of the very few players who have been at this longer than I have who are still playing. I don't see why you think he's trying to appear stupid, though. I guess I don't get what you're saying.Made wrote:Don't play this game unless you REALLY know what your doing or REALLY don't.Long Con wrote:Even if it were as you described, I don't see me basing my team's voting plan on Llama's Opinion. I hear you're a smart guy, Llama, but I don't know that I would place that much faith in your opinion.
It's gotta be either genuine stupidity or calculated stupidity to work. Trust me I'm stupid.
Made wrote:Didn't mean to imply they were.S~V~S wrote:LC is far from stupid, Made.
Dana, any opinion on Bullz? Bea? Anyone?
I'm just saying it's hard to argue for those accusing you with out either being blissfully ignorant or have the situation awareness to you how far you can go to avoid suspicion, then the lack of common sense to go above and beyond that.It's called starting a bandwagon.Made wrote:Yo, SVS, is there a term for voting in hopes of getting others to vote someone? Because I've noticed that happens a lot.
Woah-linki kinda related? Basically mafia vote getting tactics.
Double related linki
And, why should we believe you? And oh, wait, you were wrong. Also, if you could explain your reasons for your opinions, it would be helpful for me.Keterman wrote:Remember fellow townies, it's not too late to change your vote, nor is it too late to place your vote on a scum-aligned player.
What do you mean by this?Metalmarsh89 wrote: As for Epi, here you will find his death. He was the rabbit who killed several of Arthur's knights in the film. While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way.
What will we find out soon enough and how? And how do you know this?
LoRab wrote:Right, but that doesn't answer my question. I'm familiar with the source material, I get the gist of your feelings about him. What I don't understand is when you say, "While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way."
How will we soon find out that we need him dead to win and/or how bad he is (was)?
linkitis: @God: Awwwww. Thanks. You're a kind and compassionate God, clearly.
And I agree the Rabbit was bad news.
LoRab wrote:Uh....God has shared God's opinion. God does not necessarily have any more knowledge than the rest of us.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Indies are wild cards, their win conditions sometimes align with civvies and sometimes don't. That's what I'm getting at. I thought we might find out, and fortunately God has told us.LoRab wrote:Right, but that doesn't answer my question. I'm familiar with the source material, I get the gist of your feelings about him. What I don't understand is when you say, "While we don't yet know how bad he is, we at least know he's an indy, and I'd be willing to bet that we need him dead to win. We'll find out soon I think, either way."
How will we soon find out that we need him dead to win and/or how bad he is (was)?
linkitis: @God: Awwwww. Thanks. You're a kind and compassionate God, clearly.
And I agree the Rabbit was bad news.
And I do understand how indy roles work. I still don't see how you think/thought we'd soon know how bad the rabbit is and/or if we needed him dead or not.
Challenging people and pointing things out that I notice are off is a way I show I suspect them. I don't really see them as different. But I guess we have different mafia backgrounds.Metalmarsh89 wrote:LoRab.
Okay you did make one post about a ping, but since the context wasn't there, I did not notice it as I reread.
The rest of your posts are questions/disagreements/interactions. Those are different. Those are not suspicions.
And about my vote for you, it's a strategy I've used and seen before, though not so much on this site. Placing a vote on someone is an easy way to get there attention when you want it, and that was all I wanted at the time.