Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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He was wrong about dunya, what about the othersrabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:44 pm What sucks is I think Dunya and Simon are bad and would actually want to lynch Simon now as Dunya is playing, but that is purely because I like players who post. Now I seem wishy washy but fuck it. Gottta say it.
I don't trust her at all, FYI. Or Simon or Jacks, or SPEED OR JJJ.
LOL, so whatever.
But my Scenarios.Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:43 pmThe civilians must defeat Outworld. Not Death. Or IndyMarmot.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:38 pmBut the Civilian win condition requires Civilians to be alive, and Kano's goal is to make Civilians dead.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:33 pm If I do eventually get lynched, then y'all should be mindful of anyone who didn't give a shit about the civilian win condition in the process of doing so. There's no civilian motive for that.
"You're lying, JJJ" is the predictable easy-button response, and if y'all want to go there then be my guest. I couldn't have seen that coming..
Anyone though who acknowledges the possibility that I am truthful and still wants to lynch me either has no idea how to do math or is mafia.
Maybe I'm Sonya or Jax and I really want you gone.
Achieving a win isn't always as black and white as reading the win condition. We have to play the game.
Scenario 1. We let JJJ live, and he manages to make cases and make votes that make Civs die. Civs lose, Kano wins.
Scenario 2. We lynch JJJ, and get rid of an anti-Civ force in the game. Less Civs die, cleaner lynches, Civs win.
You getting the more complex, raw, gameplay angle here?
Can you clarify that?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:54 pm Jimmy and Simon both off the poll. I see we've burned some mafia hidden abilities.
Eeeeh or the mafia has IDed the townie who can do this and is power copying.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:03 pmCan you clarify that?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:54 pm Jimmy and Simon both off the poll. I see we've burned some mafia hidden abilities.
He's very enigmatic... now claiming Indy. I'll look at his posts and give a better answer.
There are many possibilities of what could have happened.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:05 pmEeeeh or the mafia has IDed the townie who can do this and is power copying.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:03 pmCan you clarify that?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:54 pm Jimmy and Simon both off the poll. I see we've burned some mafia hidden abilities.
The good guys wouldn't purposefully take the two most suspicious players and make them unlynchable.
Just now. I'm running the next Burglary. Post goes up soon! (maybe tomorrow)Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:03 pm @speedchuck
When did you turn orange? What's orange mean?
I think you mean Jay.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
That last sentence makes me feel rather sad...JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:20 pmAllow me to give you a little advice for future games which you can take or leave:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:13 pmWe have no reason to believe you are neutral and you have shown yourself to be against the town. At best you are an honorary mafia member with a weak nightpower. More likely, you are actually mafia.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:08 pmThen you don't care about the civilian win condition.
Doesn't really matter.
What I said before about catching mafia not being that easy was the truth. Recall Mountain Mafia. You helped to lynch me, correctly, and for that you deserve credit. Well done and well played. What you did very poorly though was to identify my teammates, and it was the result of you following the most blindingly obvious leads in the thread (Quin and Dom) and ignoring the subtleties of my play.
If you read my posts in this game and actually respect the subtlety, I think you can figure this out. I've given you the answer, all you need to do is find the clues.
I'm not "against the town" as much as you might want to make that assumption for the pleasure of lynching me. The civilians have a limited number of lynches left in this game to eliminate five mafia members. Indeed, I'd be surprised if you have more than 8 opportunities to get 5 baddies. And if you lynch me, you'll have 7 opportunities to get 5 baddies. Don't like what I have to say? Don't trust me? Then don't listen to me.
If you fail to heed my words and you're a civilian, then that is your fault and I can't be assed to help you. I have nobody in this game to disappoint other than myself, and that isn't happening when I am already so goddamned bored.
I disagree. I feel like indie hunting isn't unimportant. knowing who the indies are can help us figure out why people make the opinions they are making, and POE that issh
Maybe it's a hoaxKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 amJay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
Why so absent?Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amI disagree. I feel like indie hunting isn't unimportant. knowing who the indies are can help us figure out why people make the opinions they are making, and POE that issh
that said, what do we have on indie-claimy stuffs?
Linki- Dunya's in the game now? who did she sub in for, did she die?
What makes you so sure that simon is bad?
Have we lynched mafia yet?
IRl shit, RA training. Anyone who knows about being RA know that training sucks, but with it over, and classes beginning, i'll probably be more back, but not as much as before.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:54 amWhy so absent?Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amI disagree. I feel like indie hunting isn't unimportant. knowing who the indies are can help us figure out why people make the opinions they are making, and POE that issh
that said, what do we have on indie-claimy stuffs?
Linki- Dunya's in the game now? who did she sub in for, did she die?
What makes you so sure that simon is bad?
Have we lynched mafia yet?
She died as civil, replaced with gumshown
No unfortunately
it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amMaybe it's a hoaxKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 amJay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
Kano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:57 amit's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amMaybe it's a hoaxKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 amJay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
possibly both
so in game of champians, i got an indy role and claimed indy as alligned with civvies [ie i'd push for the goals of civiilains] I feel like as soon as 10 civs are dead, he's no longer a threat for that reason, but should be looked at as if he claimed civviilan like all other players currently in the game.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:01 amKano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:57 amit's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amMaybe it's a hoaxKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 amJay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
I don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:03 ampossibly both
Simon is also off the poll
can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.
I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.
that's why I can't fathom either players' goals here. logically speaking Kano would need to work with the mafia in order to eliminate the right number of civs to win, maybe jay didn't expect Kano to speak up and counter his statement.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:01 amKano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:57 amit's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 amMaybe it's a hoaxKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 amJay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that roleTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.
I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?
Now that she's feeling better i want to hear her compare and contrast her treatment of her eldest son, between this game and vocaroo.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:07 amI don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:03 ampossibly both
Simon is also off the poll
can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.
I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.
of the players who i was initially suspcious of, coming back to the thread her post still read funny to me [like the ones she posted today] more of an
rather than vote at this point, but we'll see where things go as i get my head around all the recent happenings of the thread.Basically 3 bad lynches.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:03 ampossibly both
Simon is also off the poll
can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.
I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.
Town has a tie breaker, and two potential vote blockers, so I don’t think it all that dire. Town has at least two. If mafia fails at night or takes out neutral it is up to three.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am 16 town is down to 11
5 mafia are all here
2 indy probably still here
Mafia has a vote nullify and an extra vote. Kano will vote with them.
11 town votes (assuming Ermac goodish plus one nullified vote)
Vs
7 scum votes
There are additional ways this gets modified, especially by the townies but we should assume the scum can pull one additional vote that isn't obvious from the role list.
We mislynch and it's 9 vs 7. Another mislynch is 7 vs 7 and our aces probably don't beat the mafia aces.
To answer Kylemii's question, I think we get one mislynch. We happen to lynch Reptile, we are in better shape. I assume Simon is Reptile and was taken off the poll by a one shot or Shang Tsung because his night ability is useful.
With this in mind, if we mislynch, we should all use anything we have to kill, block, save or misdirect. Merely blocking or misdirecting Reptile or Shang Tsung may give us an extra day phase.
